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[Elijin]

Hey, we might be slow learners, but youve kindly kept playing the same tune until we got there.

Ps you made a claim, were asked to provide citations, and referred back to the same claim in your citations. By that logic anyone could claim literally anything to be true.

 

[Trunkage]

No I said I deliberately pointed to some-one who wasn't a even a some pro Trump politician just a republican and presented them as a Nazi and no-one questioned it. No-one went "Yeh no they're not" which shows how loosely the term is being thrown round.

You told us you were trolling to score point

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Hey, we might be slow learners, but youve kindly kept playing the same tune until we got there.

Ps you made a claim, were asked to provide citations, and referred back to the same claim in your citations. By that logic anyone could claim literally anything to be true.

Actually I referred you to the distinct lack of anyone willing to call bullshit on what I said for over a week.

You told us you were trolling to score point

No I told you I was proving a point.

fun fact I can dislike a company (and in a different thread I brought them up) without thinking they're literal Nazis. But apparently people are fine just lumping said person and group in with entirely different groups without nuance.

 

[Elijin]

Circumstantial, speculative.
You referred to people not interacting with your post, and painted whatever you liked over the top of it. Hence the citation needed.

You then went on to admit you were attempting a "Gotcha!" to prove a point. Good faith interactions don't work that way, trolls do.

 

[Cheetodust]

Ok, yeah, they kinda still aren’t in a lot of places. That’s a good point.

Mostly just by a handful of English people at least. Like that time Jeremy Clarkson punched a producer and called him a lazy Irish **** and got suspended. And hundred of thousands of people signed a petition to get him his job back because apparently that's political correctness gone mad.

Still remember the first time I was called a "filthy Irish" I was 13 in a holiday resort in Tunisia, he was a grown man there with his family.

Unfortunately once the Irish got their white card they fucking ran with it though.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Circumstantial, speculative.
You referred to people not interacting with your post, and painted whatever you liked over the top of it. Hence the citation needed.

You then went on to admit you were attempting a "Gotcha!" to prove a point. Good faith interactions don't work that way, trolls do.

Except some did happily interact with said post too.

You say it's not good faith yet was it ever good faith the arguments being put forward by people pretending no-one was ever misusing the term Nazi when now some of said people are now still unwilling to admit there may be an issue with people more willing to use the term to frame enemies rather than actually mean a more specific group now.

 

[Trunkage]

No I told you I was proving a point.

No you told us you were trolling everyone

 

[Trunkage]

fun fact I can dislike a company (and in a different thread I brought them up) without thinking they're literal Nazis. But apparently people are fine just lumping said person and group in with entirely different groups without nuance.

I might as well do this one too. Of course your not going to call people Nazis here. You would call us communists

 

[tstorm823]

I might as well do this one too. Of course your not going to call people Nazis here. You would call us communists

To be fair, this board does have a half-dozen died-in-the-wool communists.

 

[Silvanus]

To be fair, this board does have a half-dozen died-in-the-wool communists.

Is this based on the old canard about socialists and communists being exactly the same thing?

 

[tstorm823]

Is this based on the old canard about socialists and communists being exactly the same thing?

No. I'm talking about communists. Like, it's not putting words in anyone's mouth to say Seanchaidh is a communist. That's a self-declared identity there.

 

[Silvanus]

No. I'm talking about communists. Like, it's not putting words in anyone's mouth to say Seanchaidh is a communist. That's a self-declared identity there.

Sure, but I'm only aware of... two? I think?

 

[tstorm823]

Sure, but I'm only aware of... two? I think?

I'd go up to 4 I can think of off the top of my head, but namedropping a bunch and having arguments about specific users is certainly not a fight I'm looking to pick.

Suffice it to say there are more self-declared communists here than self-declared nazis, making it both a little less of an empty accusation and a little less of an insult in this context. If a random new user unfamiliar with all of us were to call someone a nazi here, any target of that would dispute it. If they called someone a communist, there's a not insignificant possibility the target might go "yes, and?" Or respond with some arbitrary quote from some historical figure without any context. One of the two.

 

[Silvanus]

I'd go up to 4 I can think of off the top of my head, but namedropping a bunch and having arguments about specific users is certainly not a fight I'm looking to pick.

Suffice it to say there are more self-declared communists here than self-declared nazis, making it both a little less of an empty accusation and a little less of an insult in this context. If a random new user unfamiliar with all of us were to call someone a nazi here, any target of that would dispute it. If they called someone a communist, there's a not insignificant possibility the target might go "yes, and?" Or respond with some arbitrary quote from some historical figure without any context. One of the two.

That's fair enough.

Still, the term does get thrown around at people 1) as a dismissive insult, and 2) at people who aren't communists.

 

[tstorm823]

That's fair enough.

Still, the term does get thrown around at people 1) as a dismissive insult, and 2) at people who aren't communists.

That's fair enough.

I won't say it's not an insult in my mind, but I try to reserve "communist" for the people who literally ask for it. I once made disparaging comment about internet communists in front of my parents, and they asked me if I was turning into some crazy red-scare conspiracy theorist, so I popped up r/politics, clicked an article about some progressive reform, and the second comment from the top was a rant about how reform was meaningless and only a revolution of the proletariat can lead to meaningful change, posted by a user named "communism****" where the stars were a string of numbers.

And like, I do lay some of the blame for the current popularity of communism on the type of right-wing thought leaders that act like anything outside of Atlas Shrugged is a communist takeover. Criticizing non-communists as communists definitely weakens the weight of real criticism of communism.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I might as well do this one too. Of course your not going to call people Nazis here. You would call us communists

So it would only be a bad use of the term if it were applied to you or people you like? It's fair game to apply to anyone else?

 

[Trunkage]

So it would only be a bad use of the term if it were applied to you or people you like? It's fair game to apply to anyone else?

I mean, you can call us whatever you like. If we going to act like someone, it’s not going to be a Nazi. It would probably be more like a communist.

People tend to throw terms around for things they think are true. I.e. when they say X is a Nazi, they think they have enough evidence to say that. You may disagree that there is enough evidence. Great. Have a discussion on the merits of the evidence. When people claim that I’m a communist or Nazi or whatever, I’m defend it by saying what I think the difference between interpretation of evidence

How about I reword my initial paragraph into speech that might help you understand my problem. You keep trying to pretend that using the word Nazi is a thoughtcrime. You keep pretending about to be about free speech but very against words like Nazi. Shouldn’t you be backing everyone who say Nazi becuase they are using Free Speech. Also, how may times have I called someone a Nazi in this thread?

 

[Seanchaidh]

And like, I do lay some of the blame for the current popularity of communism on the type of right-wing thought leaders that act like anything outside of Atlas Shrugged is a communist takeover. Criticizing non-communists as communists definitely weakens the weight of real criticism of communism.

On the contrary, it weakens potential support for communism by tarring it with the existing failures of liberalism.

 

[Houseman]

People tend to throw terms around for things they think are true. I.e. when they say X is a Nazi, they think they have enough evidence to say that. You may disagree that there is enough evidence. Great. Have a discussion on the merits of the evidence

Hahahahaha, yeah right. That never works. People use "nazi" as a thought-terminating cliché. Look at how people react to Stonetoss comics.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Stonetoss isn't a nazi.
He's just a racist, sexist, homophobic antisemite who panders to other racist, sexist, homophobic antisemites with shitty MS Paint comics designed to confirm and celebrate their prejudices.