Your video game hot take(s) thread

[TheMysteriousGX]

I mean, you see them be in that mode just by obtaining information that their competition is succeeding and they're not even corporeal humans, so imagine if it was an actual direct insult and not an implication of defeat/inferiority. Not exactly a leap for the record books to make lol.

Also, this was not any more general than your "but if you slap an anime avatar onto them" comment above. Unless you now want to say that what follows in that sentence is "nothing actually changes" and not "it's totally different" which is how I took that.

We're both being similarly general and you set out in that path so in my following you there I am not doing anything illogical.

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You can get away with a lot more as an anime avatar than a meat body. Can you imagine a female streamer spending 5 minutes straight going after "her audience" and not only getting away with it but getting general approval?

So if a flesh and blood human goes after "her audience" when getting called bad at a game she's in "shrill harpy mode", but if a flesh and blood human in an anime dog girl mask does it they're in "entertainer mode".

Hence:

So female streamers get no end of shit, from "being bad at games" to "skating by on looks" to "being fake" to whatever else morons complain about...

but if you slap an anime avatar and a backstory onto them...

I love me some shark girl vtube (mostly because she's the only one streaming when I'm off of work), but that's a fun gamer double standard.

EDIT: Like, you get that I want flesh and blood streamers to get the same leeway that anime girl vtubers get and not vice-versa, right?

 

[happyninja42]

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So if a flesh and blood human goes after "her audience" when getting called bad at a game she's in "shrill harpy mode", but if a flesh and blood human in an anime dog girl mask does it they're in "entertainer mode".

Hence:
I love me some shark girl vtube (mostly because she's the only one streaming when I'm off of work), but that's a fun gamer double standard.

EDIT: Like, you get that I want flesh and blood streamers to get the same leeway and anime girl vtubers get and not vice-versa, right?

You know, it really does amaze me, just how streaming has basically become the nerd/gamer equivalent of a spectator sport. How you have people who are SUUUPER into it, and spend tons of money in ways that aren't good, just to indulge their favorite players. They will join the community, and talk and discuss the game. And, you have that subset who will PAY money, for things like tickets to a sportsball game, or superchat in streaming, just to tell the person how much they hate that person, and think they suck.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

So yeah, like I said:
"Flesh and blood female streamers are in shrill harpy mode when they get called bad at games while vtubers aren't", the fuck
You can get away with a lot more as an anime avatar than a meat body. Can you imagine a female streamer spending 5 minutes straight going after "her audience" and not only getting away with it but getting general approval?

You mean this?


You mean where she's laughing about it and clearly making a joke? It's almost like... You never looked into anything and just found a tweet that justifies your opinion then moved on.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You mean this?


You mean where she's laughing about it and clearly making a joke? It's almost like... You never looked into anything and just found a tweet that justifies your opinion then moved on.

No, I mean that when somebody puts on an anime dog mask, all of a sudden they change from "angry harpy" to "entertainer".
Hell, just based on Drieko's completely unprompted "but female streamers are angry harpies" comment alone, you aren't going to convince me that the reaction would be the same if that were a female streamer sans-mask speaking English.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You know, it really does amaze me, just how streaming has basically become the nerd/gamer equivalent of a spectator sport. How you have people who are SUUUPER into it, and spend tons of money in ways that aren't good, just to indulge their favorite players. They will join the community, and talk and discuss the game. And, you have that subset who will PAY money, for things like tickets to a sportsball game, or superchat in streaming, just to tell the person how much they hate that person, and think they suck.

Yeah, that's super weird. I get paying money because you're having a good time (in moderation), but paying money to be mean? Cannot understand the mindset.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

No, I mean that when somebody puts on an anime dog mask, all of a sudden they change from "angry harpy" to "entertainer".
Hell, just based on Drieko's completely unprompted "but female streamers are angry harpies" comment alone, you aren't going to convince me that the reaction would be the same if that were a female streamer sans-mask speaking English.

So you're just going to completely dodge the fact you used an example that was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent something for your argument? Not going to even deign me with a half-hearted attempt to explain yourself? Cause you still haven't presented any evidence that backs up your claim here.

 

[happyninja42]

Yeah, that's super weird. I get paying money because you're having a good time (in moderation), but paying money to be mean? Cannot understand the mindset.

Yeah, I equate it to those people who pay for a ticket to a sports game, and then spend the whole time yelling "You Suck *Insert Player Name*!!" I mean, I dunno, I don't get it personally. Some people just like being assholes in a public way, and get a thrill out of it. Maybe it's some kind of toxic variant of exhibitionism. Instead of enjoying getting nekked and boinking in public, they just enjoy being volatile in public. *shrugs*

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

So you're just going to completely dodge the fact you used an example that was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent something for your argument? Not going to even deign me with a half-hearted attempt to explain yourself? Cause you still haven't presented any evidence that backs up your claim here.

You want evidence that backs up my claim like I'm arguing a serious point and not just posting an observed hot take?

What, feeling attacked?

Sure: here's a weeb gamer trying to justify a generalized take on female streamers getting no end of shit by saying they act like shrill harpies when criticized and so it makes sense. A generalized take with no examples and he's going full "3D bad, 2D good".

No, I was speaking about the issues you listed in particular, why would I be speak about something else in response to something specific.

You brought up them being called fake, well, the people I list call vtubers fake too for being anime avatars and acting the part. (thing is, this is known to the viewer, there is no pretense that the streamer is an actual shark girl, we all know what we're doing, so people engaging in it don't feel tricked by a realization of fakeness so they have no reason to send hate)

You brought up them skating by on looks, well, again, same criticism, different critic. People constantly complain about the chars being popular because of their looks appealing to a certain audiences (I remember some especially jealous competitor making the case that it was all pedos who liked Gura for example, surely promoting pedophilia through ones looks is at least on par with what people have said about the corporeal streamers and what they use their looks for, if not multiple orders of magnitude more severe)


You brought up them being bad at games....and I'm pretty sure they get made fun of for that just the same, they just, again, react to it differently cause they're in "entertainer mode" and not "shrill harpy" mode when they stream, so a complaint which would turn into a dogpile when met with resistence ends up evaporating in the face of acceptance and cuteness. Maybe there's a lesson to be learned here?


That's all I was responding to, not some other vast thing you're now adding to the pile to deflect my valid points.

You will not be able to convince me Korone or Gwar or any other vtuber wouldn't be getting the same shit if they were just a tuber

 

[Xprimentyl]

Yeah, I equate it to those people who pay for a ticket to a sports game, and then spend the whole time yelling "You Suck *Insert Player Name*!!" I mean, I dunno, I don't get it personally. Some people just like being assholes in a public way, and get a thrill out of it. Maybe it's some kind of toxic variant of exhibitionism. Instead of enjoying getting nekked and boinking in public, they just enjoy being volatile in public. *shrugs*

To be fair, a lot of sports fan pay to spectate not to be mean, but because they desperately want proven wrong, or at least validated when their team does as poorly as expected; you can't help but love the team you love even when you know they need to do better (#LetsGoFoNine,) i.e.: as much as I hate the Seahawks, I wouldn't pay for a ticket just to boo them, so I wouldn't equate negative stream supporters to that. I think it's just convenient to be an ass online, and if that's your thing, what's a couple of bucks to have the platform to do so? If anything, kudos to streamers who net that negative follower revenue; if only people knew how little their opinion mattered when compared to their dollars being far more objectively valuable.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

So you're just going to completely dodge the fact you used an example that was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent something for your argument? Not going to even deign me with a half-hearted attempt to explain yourself? Cause you still haven't presented any evidence that backs up your claim here.

Cool. So roasting a moron with japes and laughs is acceptable behavior for real life, flesh and blood people, yes?

Remind me again how Jessica Price lost her ArenaNet job?

 

[happyninja42]

To be fair, a lot of sports fan pay to spectate not to be mean, but because they desperately want proven wrong, or at least validated when their team does as poorly as expected; you can't help but love the team you love even when you know they need to do better (#LetsGoFoNine,) i.e.: as much as I hate the Seahawks, I wouldn't pay for a ticket just to boo them, so I wouldn't equate negative stream supporters to that. I think it's just convenient to be an ass online, and if that's your thing, what's a couple of bucks to have the platform to do so? If anything, kudos to streamers who net that negative follower revenue; if only people knew how little their opinion mattered when compared to their dollars being far more objectively valuable.

Well I did specify it's a subset of the population, not them as a whole. But it's still a lot of toxicity for no reason. Like the woman at 1:40 in this clip.


I mean that's just someone who just thrives on being a dick. I mean it's not like SHE could fucking play any better. But hey, let me shout out a pure insult at this person just because I feel like I'm entitled to, because they didn't play a fucking game to MY expectations. To me it's the same behavior mindset. "You don't play this game to my satisfaction, so I'm going to shit all over you." And yeah, most who buy tickets to a game, probably don't go in there wanting to be a dick, but you know SOME do. Like, THAT is their thing. Sure it's their team, but they hate that person so much, they just have to let everyone know. Like how for YEARS, the WWE crowd has been shitting all over Roman Rains, with constant booing every time he's on stage, chanting "Roman Sucks" at EVERY opportunity. And THEN, when he has to leave due to fucking LEUKEMIA, suddenly they're all chanting "THANK YOU ROMAN!" and I'm just like "...yeah fuck that. You all thrived on shitting on him for years, that is clearly what you were after. Don't try and flip it now."

 

[Dreiko]

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So if a flesh and blood human goes after "her audience" when getting called bad at a game she's in "shrill harpy mode", but if a flesh and blood human in an anime dog girl mask does it they're in "entertainer mode".

Bro, that's a joke. Think of it like a comedy performance or roleplaying or something if you can't wrap your mind around it. The audience would LOVE that sort of thing, and the targeted person would feel like it's their lucky day to get such levels of attention for a throwaway comment (think of it like you're in the middle of the concert and your favorite singer learns its your birthday so he jumps down in the audiencne and sings you the birthday song for a minute straight but instead of your name he calls you fuckface jokingly, would you be insulted or enjoy it a fuckton?).


You must learn to differentiate between play-fighting and teasingly prodding your audience versus being entitled and genuinely rude towards them and demanding donations out of them as if they owe them to you and being 100% serious about it and not just saying it as a self-aware joke. It is this tiny nuance, the difference in approach and demeanor and attitude one takes that is ALL the difference here.


All you're saying here is that you don't understand the difference between a tsundere and a psycho bich to put it in simple terms. Well, there's a hell of a difference there. It's not always about what you do, sometimes it's about HOW you do it.

I love me some shark girl vtube (mostly because she's the only one streaming when I'm off of work), but that's a fun gamer double standard.

EDIT: Like, you get that I want flesh and blood streamers to get the same leeway that anime girl vtubers get and not vice-versa, right?

That's in their hands man, they just gotta be comparably kind and adorable. Nobody would hate more such streamers existing. I think your issue is that you don't like the results of them failing to match up being what they are.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Bro, that's a joke. Think of it like a comedy performance or roleplaying or something if you can't wrap your mind around it. The audience would LOVE that sort of thing, and the targeted person would feel like it's their lucky day to get such levels of attention for a throwaway comment (think of it like you're in the middle of the concert and your favorite singer learns its your birthday so he jumps down in the audiencne and sings you the birthday song for a minute straight but instead of your name he calls you fuckface jokingly, would you be insulted or enjoy it a fuckton?).


You must learn to differentiate between play-fighting and teasingly prodding your audience versus being entitled and genuinely rude towards them and demanding donations out of them as if they owe them to you and being 100% serious about it and not just saying it as a self-aware joke. It is this tiny nuance, the difference in approach and demeanor and attitude one takes that is ALL the difference here.


All you're saying here is that you don't understand the difference between a tsundere and a psycho bich to put it in simple terms. Well, there's a hell of a difference there. It's not always about what you do, sometimes it's about HOW you do it.





That's in their hands man, they just gotta be comparably kind and adorable. Nobody would hate more such streamers existing. I think your issue is that you don't like the results of them failing to match up being what they are.

So,

So female streamers get no end of shit, from "being bad at games" to "skating by on looks" to "being fake" to whatever else morons complain about...

but if you slap an anime avatar and a backstory onto them...

Keep in mind: I'm not talking about anybody in particular. You're generalizing "female streamers" as a group right now for no reason I can discern. Just laying into a whole ass gender of streamer to...I dunno why?

 

[Dreiko]

So,

No, you gotta match the look with the attitude I've delineated. This is why the hololive corporations hiring streamers have standards and requirements and don't hire anyone to do the job. If it was so easy there'd be a lot more of them too.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Anyway, bored now.

Thought of a new hot take though: The Gamers will cancel a publishing or dev studio for "disrespecting their audience" far, far sooner than for predatory microtransactions, adding in lootboxes after launch, working their employees to exhaustion or breakdown, or covering up executive sexual harassment and assault.

A bad game launch hurts companies far worse than corporate malfeasance.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

No, you gotta match the look with the attitude I've delineated. This is why the hololive corporations hiring streamers have standards and requirements and don't hire anyone to do the job. If it was so easy there'd be a lot more of them too.

Ahh, so it's the corporate anime mask that turns complaining about chat from "shrill harpy" to "entertainment mode"

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Please understand, @Dreiko, I'm not attacking vtubers here.
I just want other lady streamers who don't have a branded corporate anime mask to get the same level of good faith

 

[Dreiko]

Ahh, so it's the corporate anime mask that turns complaining about chat from "shrill harpy" to "entertainment mode"

No it's more like thor's hammer, only those who are already worthy can wield it, but it does not make them as such. They were already worthy to begin with.

And again, I have no reason to be against more worthy streamers who may not have found their hammer yet. You just can't conflate everyone with those who are in that category either.

Anyway, bored now.

Thought of a new hot take though: The Gamers will cancel a publishing or dev studio for "disrespecting their audience" far, far sooner than for predatory microtransactions, adding in lootboxes after launch, working their employees to exhaustion or breakdown, or covering up executive sexual harassment and assault.

A bad game launch hurts companies far worse than corporate malfeasance.

Oh, totally agree with that take. It's your fault if you spend money on predatory microtransactions after all. As long as it's not pay 2 win it's fine for most people.

Me personally, I never got the point of spending in microtransactions either. It's usually cosmetic crap or things that cut down on grinding or make you OP or something, not important content or story expansions or what have you. Even in something like a mobile gacha game which are pretty notorious, fate grand order is the one I play, been on it for like 3 years, you can still be f2p and do fine in the game. You many not get every char you want but you can easily beat the game with the free stuff everyone gets.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

No it's more like thor's hammer, only those who are already worthy can wield it, but it does not make them as such. They were already worthy to begin with.

And again, I have no reason to be against more worthy streamers who may not have found their hammer yet. You just can't conflate everyone with those who are in that category either.

I honestly have zero idea what you're arguing about or why.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

You want evidence that backs up my claim like I'm arguing a serious point and not just posting an observed hot take?

What, feeling attacked?

Sure: here's a weeb gamer trying to justify a generalized take on female streamers getting no end of shit by saying they act like shrill harpies when criticized and so it makes sense. A generalized take with no examples and he's going full "3D bad, 2D good".

You will not be able to convince me Korone or Gwar or any other vtuber wouldn't be getting the same shit if they were just a tuber

I don't recall saying 2D good, 3D bad. You're projecting onto me.

Cool. So roasting a moron with japes and laughs is acceptable behavior for real life, flesh and blood people, yes?

Remind me again how Jessica Price lost her ArenaNet job?

If you can't tell the difference between ribbing someone in a friendly way and actively attacking someone verbally (Particularly when Korone even apologized, saying he didn't actually do anything wrong) then I don't know what to tell you other than maybe the problem lies with you.