12-Year-Old Forced to Put Up Wii For Bail

[Quaidis]

Think about it this way: if the kid fails - and he's bound to with that record - the judge will get a free Wii.

I personally believe that the child should have a public spanking. His parents should be brought in for consoling on better parenthood as well. The child will also need help.

 

[Comma-Kazie]

Serves the twat right.

People really need to give kids harsher punishments - it didn't help when smacking was banned.

Damn straight.

 

[The Austin]

This kid is only in elementary?

Kill him before he becomes on of these:

Spoiler

 

[TsunamiWombat]

"He's a 12-year-old who is generally quite scared." Bullshit. I worked in loss prevention for over 3 years and arrested hundreds of kids that age, and let me tell you if there's one thing this kid ISN'T, its scared. These little bastards know how to work the system, and thanks to the Young Offen- I mean the "Youth Criminal Justice Act" which has absolutley no teeth at all whatsoever and basically is a 'get out of jail free' card for young offenders, he won't do any jail time or receive any kind of punishment other than his Wii being used as bail.

He doesn't give a shit about the Wii no matter what the Judge thinks.

I mean good on the Judge for at least trying to think of a bail option suitable for a 12 year old, but this is no ordinary 12 year old. With sociopathic and violent behaviour so prevalent at such an early age, this kid needs some serious round the clock counselling and constant monitoring, and hopefully that's what he'll get and not just fall through the cracks like so many of the kids I busted did. The justice system in Canada is severely flawed, especially when it comes to juveniles.

When the "Young Offenders Act" became the "Youth Criminal Justice Act" those of us working in crime prevention were pretty much left to our own devices as to how to interpret it, with no help from the lawmakers other than a 3 page description of the changes to the act. (Of which there were few) When my agency approached the police for help, they were just as in the dark as we were. How much confidence in the law does that inspire?

Young offenders seem to think that as soon as they turn 18 everything gets wiped away all nice and shiny clean... It DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. Yes your file gets sealed, but it never goes away. (At least not in Canada) All that means is that anything you did before you were 18 can not be held against you if you are charged with the same offense after you turn 18. It will still screw up your chances of ever travelling outside Canada, as other countries don't neccessarily have the same views on juvenile criminals as us. Also, trying to get a job where you need to be bondable, forget it. Getting a passport or a visa to travel outside the country? Good luck.

Seeing as you seem to have actual experiance in these matters i'm intruiged by the subject now. Criminal law for children is a sticky subject down here in the USA too. What in your opinion DOES work?

 

[King of the N00bs]

I hate kids like that...people like that literally want me to come over there study their actions and beat the shit out of them with my hand, their hair, and a brick wall

 

[Avernus]

Winnipeg... murder capital of Canada. We regained the title last night oddly enough.

Really? I thought it was Vancouver or us folks in Toronto...

We've really stepped up our game since I've been born, if you guys have the worst crime.

Sorry to hear about that statistic...

Vancouver and Toronto have us beat on number of murders, Vancouver is twice as many, and Toronto three times, but the title is based upon murder ratio for your population. Here is the thing, the vast majority of the deaths are gang related... unfortunate if you happen to be aboriginal in this city, because the homicide rate is 7 times higher for them than if you happen to be white.

Murder capital, gang capital, arson capital, car theft capital, break-in capital, assault capital and child poverty capital... our city does have some problems to contend with. That said, I live in the North End, where a disproportionate amount of all of this occurs, and I don't really feel unsafe or anything.

On the other hand, I do keep a sawn-off hockey stick at hand in case of home invasion.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Serves the twat right.

People really need to give kids harsher punishments - it didn't help when smacking was banned.

Absolutely true.

 

[SilentHunter7]

when did the justice system become like parents?

When parents stopped being parents.

 

[Doug]

The boy's lawyer, on the other hand, acknowledged that "it doesn't look good" but added, "He's a 12-year-old who is generally quite scared."

This is why I couldn't be a lawyer - I couldn't lie so barefacedly.

The kid is scum, a bully, a thug, and I doubt he'll ever achieve more in his life than to bring pain and/or suffering to those around him.

 

[ffxfriek]

Why the fuck isn't this kid locked up somewhere? If this is what he's like at 12 imagine what he'll probably be like as he gets older.

i was just thinkin it. and since its the wii isnt the judge doing him a favor anyway??

 

[Doug]

When the "Young Offenders Act" became the "Youth Criminal Justice Act" those of us working in crime prevention were pretty much left to our own devices as to how to interpret it, with no help from the lawmakers other than a 3 page description of the changes to the act. (Of which there were few) When my agency approached the police for help, they were just as in the dark as we were. How much confidence in the law does that inspire?

Ah, I take it Canada works of the 'Common law' method too? (same as the UK) Where the politicians write the general law, and its left to the judges to try and work out what actually means in practice? Rather than, say, the law being precise and clear to begin with, heh.

 

[cobrausn]

So the 'kid' has assaulted three people (quite violently), ignored numerous court rulings, and yet they let him out on bail?

Under Canadian Law all offenders have the right to be granted reasonable bail. Even murderers. More accurately they have the right to apply for bail but if the crown (prosecution) proves that the aplicant is dangerous or may flee then they don't get it. Or they can just choose not to apply and save the whole hassle if they don't think they will win. More on topic, the Wii that they have taken from him will be used to make sure he shows up for his actual bail hearing. Oh, and that he doesn't do anything stupid.

It's the same here - that whole innocent until proven guilty thing. Bail can be given or taken away depending upon the circumstances - I was merely saying that the circumstances in this case might have warranted putting the little snot-nose in a juvie facility for a few weeks. Might have more effect than taking his Wii.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

Ah, I take it Canada works of the 'Common law' method too? (same as the UK) Where the politicians write the general law, and its left to the judges to try and work out what actually means in practice? Rather than, say, the law being precise and clear to begin with, heh.

Either they use that method or they have to outline every act that is illegal... which is kind of hard to do.

i.e.{I'm making this up}

law1erson A attacks Person B with a bat or other blunt faced object will be called beating1. Min Sentence $250 fine and(or) a number of community service hours not to exceed 1 year.
law2erson A attacks Person B with a projectile fired weapon or bladed edged weapon will be called beating2. Min sentence $250K fine and(or) prison sentence that is not to exceed five years.
law3erson A kills Person B with beating2 willed be called Killing1. Min Sentence $190K fine and a prison sentence not to exceed average lifetime of a person.

Lets say you had these three laws only.
A case comes to your court of a child striking an adult with a bbgun. He didn't fire it but used it as a blunt faced object.
Or
A case comes to you about two men killed by young woman wielding a hockey stick.

which laws applies to each case? With common law method, you should be able to create some concrete distinctions and with certain catch-alls... but this ends to cause confusion because it's so freakin vague or the laws were created without any distinctions in them. But without it, you have problems like this.

 

[dududf]

*snip*

He he, my Mother used to work at the ex- Youth correction center in Orleans/Blackburn hamlet. But it was semi recetly changed to a adult center. You'd be suprised at the dickery of the new inmates, and then how semi "Polite" they get when they realise that no one is going to take their shit :3



Anywho, I think this bail will work for 2 weeks tops, and I hope this bugger goes to Jail, and stays there for a while, only to be released with more information on being a crook...(Not a huge believer in the "Jail" system)

 

[Kriptonite]

Why not just hit the kid?

 

[Enzeru92]

what the fuck i don't know about you guys but he should get harsher punishment the kid clearly has problems which for the most part screams murderer in the future

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

This is... innovative

 

[samsonguy920]

when did the justice system become like parents?

Seconded. The justice department's job is to keep criminals off the streets, not to try to teach them morals.

Wait what? I though the whole purpose of sending them to prison was to make them regret there actions and that crime doesn't pay. Doesn't that count as teaching them morals?

That is the long lost idea, but these days it more teaches them how not to get caught next time. But then there are the ones who are liked hooked on a kleptodrug, and their first night out they commit a crime and get busted. Nothing learned there.
It's funny, since there are actually many places in America where if the parents took away their kids Wii or whatever console they had as a form of punishment, the kid could turn around and sue their parents. Here we have a judge doing that to a kid now. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Why the fuck isn't this kid locked up somewhere? If this is what he's like at 12 imagine what he'll probably be like as he gets older.

This post is disgusting. Its a kid, there is still plenty of time left in his life to turn it around, the information we have says he hasn't inflicted any permanent damage. Seriously, you want to lock up a kid for how you predict his future decisions will pan out? You've just determined that he will become a professional criminal, mentally/physically abused, or dead if you send him to an institution. The only time I could see sending a child to prison would be if they had committed proven beyond a doubt premeditated murder where the damages can't be repaired in some fashion to both the convicted and the victims. Also, try to remember, children sent to jail who survive the ordeal often complete their sentences and are released back into society having grown up knowing only that kind of out look on life for half or more of their life - do you really want a 30-40 year old who grew up as a caged predator? Not the kind of society I want to live in, I would rather try to give the kid some hope for some joy in their own life before they end up down that road.

Say no to Prison World.

QFT, CW. It's ideas like KnowYourOnion's why people don't bother to help teach kids and such how to use what they have in a more productive sense, or at least help give them something to do that they might actually enjoy, and where they won't be looked upon as such anti-social useless throwaways. It's a mindset like this on why there is no hope for habitual criminals. Most cases they just don't see another alternative. Society doesn't like them, or have any hope for them, so why bother? I applaud this judge for trying something new, but maybe also adding on some community service might help.

 

[Orange_Clockwork]

So, let me set this straight, twelve year old does all of that shit, beating people and such, in several schools, he gets slapped with "don't go to that school" he then does it again, so his Wii is suddenly in jeopardy, so he sucks it up?

What the hell, this kid has criminal intent...But he is given a chance? But then me walking in with a lump of metal in a cane is suddenly grounds for expulsion with extreme prejudice?

 

[The Rockerfly]

Kudos to the judge for the innovative sentence but I have serious doubts it will work this well. I know when my parents took away my console I would just do something else, it doesn't take masses of brain power to work that out

I would still like to see this work out, better then yet another person going into jail. I am sceptical about it though, if the kid is offending at 12, I don't think taking his Wii away is going to correct his mind