214: Artificial Thrills
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Read any romance novel and then tell me if that's a normal attitude towards men.ben---neb said:
Or of the GTA's attitude to vehicle ownership.
If you're getting sickened, stop reading. Otherwise, you're the one that's crossing the line.
I think Valentine's Day does more to promote this attitude than Artificial Girl 3 ever could. All the Hallmark marketing for that holiday pitches "Buy the most expensive gift available whether you can afford it or not" as the One And Only Way to get into a girl's pants.pparrish said:
For that matter, a lot of dating advice sites draw up bullet points of various lines and techniques you can use and how they affect this hypothetical girl's arousal, and the odds of that girl being "one of those types" who doesn't like it, and so on... looking more like a spreadsheet than anything else.
I think that's pretty dehumanizing to women, and it's been going on for a lot longer than video games have been around.
One thing you'll notice is many of the "demeaning to women" complaints come from men.
Many ridicule the likes of Twilight for depicting a submissive relationship with a bizarre stalker, but they never seem to comment on just how popular the books are.
No matter how uncomfortable it may personally make you, the idea of submitting to a powerful, dominant male resonates strongly with many women.
Many ridicule the likes of Twilight for depicting a submissive relationship with a bizarre stalker, but they never seem to comment on just how popular the books are.
No matter how uncomfortable it may personally make you, the idea of submitting to a powerful, dominant male resonates strongly with many women.
Interesting article, especially the part about the game teaching you to 'unlock' sex and women with the 'correct' choices.
This perspective is paralleled by so-called pickup artists who try to apply systematic practices to women they meet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community). Pretty much the exact same underlying assumptions about how women work are in play here: they're a puzzle to be cracked, and if they don't like you, you read the situation wrong or didn't employ the correct tactic. As understood by these frameworks, there's not much left for the ladies in the way of, y'know, agency or autonomy or initiative.
This perspective is paralleled by so-called pickup artists who try to apply systematic practices to women they meet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community). Pretty much the exact same underlying assumptions about how women work are in play here: they're a puzzle to be cracked, and if they don't like you, you read the situation wrong or didn't employ the correct tactic. As understood by these frameworks, there's not much left for the ladies in the way of, y'know, agency or autonomy or initiative.
[q]which suggests that stalking and inappropriate touching are the keys to building and maintaining a successful relationship.[/q]
It always depends on the girl. If she is strong-willed and a nice person, then it certainly won't work. Like comparing her to a pole dancer. If she is... well... I'm not saying the word... then they could work very well. But only if the guy in question meets certain requirements (popularity. Dont want to be felt up by a nobody, do we? Nothing else matters.)
Before someone asks, I did not try that, and I don't do that. It's like seducing a prostitute, or a drunk.
It always depends on the girl. If she is strong-willed and a nice person, then it certainly won't work. Like comparing her to a pole dancer. If she is... well... I'm not saying the word... then they could work very well. But only if the guy in question meets certain requirements (popularity. Dont want to be felt up by a nobody, do we? Nothing else matters.)
Before someone asks, I did not try that, and I don't do that. It's like seducing a prostitute, or a drunk.
I had no idea that the Japanese erotic games had grown to a level in which character customization came into play. Sure, it's a given that they've already started it, but still...
In a way, it's weird. I'm not going to say sick here, because surely we've all had dreams of that "perfect one" and what she'd look like at least once in our lives, and a character creation mode in a porn game doesn't stray too far away from that line of thought.
I just hope this isn't going to find its way into a Harvest Moon game, like the old style of "dating" games did. The old dating games made you have conversations with a bunch of girls and eventually one of them would be "yours", which Harvest Moon copied.
I'm going to stop playing those farming games if they'll allow you to create your own girlfriend and then make her love you by hugging her.
Though the hugging mechanic was there for your pet animals...
I think I just stumbled on something I don't want to know about here.
In a way, it's weird. I'm not going to say sick here, because surely we've all had dreams of that "perfect one" and what she'd look like at least once in our lives, and a character creation mode in a porn game doesn't stray too far away from that line of thought.
I just hope this isn't going to find its way into a Harvest Moon game, like the old style of "dating" games did. The old dating games made you have conversations with a bunch of girls and eventually one of them would be "yours", which Harvest Moon copied.
I'm going to stop playing those farming games if they'll allow you to create your own girlfriend and then make her love you by hugging her.
Though the hugging mechanic was there for your pet animals...
I think I just stumbled on something I don't want to know about here.
Thank you , kind sir. That right there is the kind of euphemism we all need.
Anyway, great read. I know some people who like this game. What they do when they play it, I don't know. And no, I have crappy laptop at home that doubles as the home PC, so those "people" are not really an analog for "me".
Those are usually visual novels (which has a "clean" and "questionable" kind). Essentially a free-form story where your choices affect what ending you will see. It's less a game and more like those Goosebumps books you might have read when you're a kid.AboveUp said:
Waaaaaaay too funny to be taken seriously, personaly.
Though it is nice to see a review that doesn't boil down to "OMG PERVS" five lines in.
Is it possible that gamers can be....mature?
NO WAY!
Though it is nice to see a review that doesn't boil down to "OMG PERVS" five lines in.
Is it possible that gamers can be....mature?
NO WAY!
Occasionally I run across a game where it's pretty clear that players aren't intended to play it so much as the game plays them.
Your typical MMORPG, example, might have dull-as-dishwater game mechanics but it strings players along by the nose because they're addicted to grinding for power or afraid to quit because of the people they know in the game. At that point, it is indeed the player who is being played.
From the sounds of Artificial Girl 3, it's similarly a rather crappy game which strings people along by emotional dependence. This time, the hook is embedded well between the legs. I don't think it so much teaches people how to have relationships, so much as tries to present itself as a surrogate relationship. Consequently, it's an even more pathetic example of being played by a game than a grind.
Don't date robots [http://www.hulu.com/watch/4510/anti-robot-propaganda] applies well.
That said, it is rather impressive (and perhaps a little disturbing) the amount of detail they put into Artificial Girl 3. I tracked down a trailer for it. They've not only a lot of detailed sexual acts, but apparently a lot of those "surrogate relationship" activities - walks on beach, sitting down to eat dinner, talking to the girls in a school room, ect. Illusion really doesn't cut any corners when it comes to providing quality self-delusion.
To be fair, it's not like I'm immune to self-delusion. It was curiosity about the giant cone boobs (taken from the Artificial Girl 3 box cover) which brought me to read the article.
Your typical MMORPG, example, might have dull-as-dishwater game mechanics but it strings players along by the nose because they're addicted to grinding for power or afraid to quit because of the people they know in the game. At that point, it is indeed the player who is being played.
From the sounds of Artificial Girl 3, it's similarly a rather crappy game which strings people along by emotional dependence. This time, the hook is embedded well between the legs. I don't think it so much teaches people how to have relationships, so much as tries to present itself as a surrogate relationship. Consequently, it's an even more pathetic example of being played by a game than a grind.
Don't date robots [http://www.hulu.com/watch/4510/anti-robot-propaganda] applies well.
That said, it is rather impressive (and perhaps a little disturbing) the amount of detail they put into Artificial Girl 3. I tracked down a trailer for it. They've not only a lot of detailed sexual acts, but apparently a lot of those "surrogate relationship" activities - walks on beach, sitting down to eat dinner, talking to the girls in a school room, ect. Illusion really doesn't cut any corners when it comes to providing quality self-delusion.
To be fair, it's not like I'm immune to self-delusion. It was curiosity about the giant cone boobs (taken from the Artificial Girl 3 box cover) which brought me to read the article.
Thank you. -Someone- had to say this. I mean seriously, this is just moral-high horsingThe_root_of_all_evil said:
1. Women do the same, if not worse, with Twilight, romance novels, Hollywood, etc.
2. Games like this serve more as catharsis than anything else. Did you know games like this -reduced- rape-crimes in Japan? (really)
Personally, 80/20 women to men ratios disturb me. A lot of white-collar jobs these days have about that ratio, and it seems the ladies tend to conspire against the unwelcome presence of the Y-Chromosome. You're either useful to them in some way or another - perhaps as eye-candy or to lift things - or they conspire to remove you as you're putting a damper on their gossip ring. Romance be damned, this kind of social pressure makes it hard to just do my job! Maybe I've just had real bad luck in previous jobs.The_root_of_all_evil said:
This game is just you and the game. There are mmo style games out there. For example ...
The online game "Second Life" has sex games or is a sex game depending on who you ask. That thing is like adults playing with barbies and ken dolls .... or like visual reference for the chat room sex acts.
The online game 3Feel ...a korean based mmo which unlike "Second Life," it is designed just for sex.
I just find all this funny.
The online game "Second Life" has sex games or is a sex game depending on who you ask. That thing is like adults playing with barbies and ken dolls .... or like visual reference for the chat room sex acts.
The online game 3Feel ...a korean based mmo which unlike "Second Life," it is designed just for sex.
I just find all this funny.
Yes and why do people look at porn when they could just go look at real women. Maybe because it is something to do with the two of them not being mutually exclusive ideas? I mean that would be my first assumption but maybe that is just me. I guess it might be a kind of subsitution for some people but how would that be any weirder than any other type of porn?lizards said: