214: Artificial Thrills
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True, it's said that someone would need one of those, even sadder is that someone thinks someone else needs there help. Of course some people do need the help, but helping depends on who the girl is. The movie Hitch is a great example.Dooly95 said:
That killed me, I was a laughing my whole way through the article cause of that.
This is something that upsets me. You can make her a whore, but you can easily make her a princess, a blacksmith or a surrogate mother.Mordwyl said:Try the Princess Maker series. Fathering a girl is basically the point of the game.Aptspire said:Girls of your own creation...it feels too much like a fatherly idea (at the beginning anyway) for me to fully appreciate it
Why is all the focus on the negative elements?
Brilliant!
And yes, Japan does have its fair share of weird fetishes, but this is juxtaposed by the completely "normal" way the usual Japanese person goes about his/her day. Japanese schoolchildren are required to wear uniforms all through the school year, so on weekends they'll display the kind of crazy fashion sense we see as over-the-top.
For the average Japanese adult, they're required to follow very strict social codes and customs, so when they have time off of work they might play games like this to get off.
It's not like people streak, like they do here. It would be completely outrageous for a Japanese person to streak - completely unheard of. Because the Japanese are so careful in their public life to obey the strict moral standards in place, is it that strange that they would develop these strange ideas?
Alright, at the risk of totally damning myself to everyone here at one of my favorite websites. I got a hold of this game like a year ago and and me and my finance of five years this December thought it was pretty fun. Not as like a foreplay kinda thing just a game like any other game. Sure this game has very adult themes but, we are adults and I can't see how it's all that different from porn or playboy even thought my girl and I had that phase earlier in our relationship I guess you can say we grew out of it. Still we enjoyed all those kinds of things from a perspective of lightheartedness and humor.
We took turns making girls and dressing them up populating our city with them and chasing them though it. Had our laughs and then just like most other games after you see all it had to offer and "completed" all the goals we but it away to find something new. But unlike the adult moves and mags from our past which neither of us are really interested in anymore we do get a little excited when headlines pop up about adult content here at the Escapist only to become disappointed to see that nobody wants to really try to take a game like this seriously. Sure I have an idea of the risks from the industry standpoint but that don't mean I have to like it.
Now go ahead and call me a perv I AM! and lucky for me so is my baby and, as long as we are happy that way and, we don't hurt anyone while doin it I can't see what wrong with it. So I guess the point I wanna make is its a game and it entertained me and if you don't like the premise don't play it. It didn't turn me into an obsessed, socially stunted, women objectifying, weirdo. Still I know that does happen at least the the obsessed, stunted, weirdo part because W.O.W. was a game she never got into but let me tell you I had a problem. But I fixed it and if any of you have been there with whatever game you know you have only yourself to blame.
We took turns making girls and dressing them up populating our city with them and chasing them though it. Had our laughs and then just like most other games after you see all it had to offer and "completed" all the goals we but it away to find something new. But unlike the adult moves and mags from our past which neither of us are really interested in anymore we do get a little excited when headlines pop up about adult content here at the Escapist only to become disappointed to see that nobody wants to really try to take a game like this seriously. Sure I have an idea of the risks from the industry standpoint but that don't mean I have to like it.
Now go ahead and call me a perv I AM! and lucky for me so is my baby and, as long as we are happy that way and, we don't hurt anyone while doin it I can't see what wrong with it. So I guess the point I wanna make is its a game and it entertained me and if you don't like the premise don't play it. It didn't turn me into an obsessed, socially stunted, women objectifying, weirdo. Still I know that does happen at least the the obsessed, stunted, weirdo part because W.O.W. was a game she never got into but let me tell you I had a problem. But I fixed it and if any of you have been there with whatever game you know you have only yourself to blame.
So the escapist reviews Hentai games now? What's next, a porn review?
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Interesting Article. Though I do have a dissenting thought--masturbation isn't just a solo game. Sometimes, you can pass the controller along, so to speak, and it's still fun.
Actually...
Interesting Article. Though I do have a dissenting thought--masturbation isn't just a solo game. Sometimes, you can pass the controller along, so to speak, and it's still fun.
ok, again with this argument, i am sorry but if you count video games as a way of learning interactions on the real world then people would be shooting each other, capturing red or blue flags and sitting in the heads of the dead guys saying "LOLZ I PWNED U"ben---neb said:
its just a game, nothing more, nothing less, it is meant to be "easy" and it is meant to be as "illusory" as posible given that people play this games for the sex, if you had a game that could recreate exactly what a relationship is like i dont think anyone would like to play it.
you have only to see what those guys are making in the communities, they are making every "anime" girl a playable model because they want to be able to "play" with a "fictional" character, a cartoon to be more precise, is that even close to "reality"?
One of the problems with chatting/cybering online is that you occasionally misspell words with hilarious results, as you and your finance might knowKeldrif said:
Well not all the time but I really don't get your point. Real women are not like anything in porn either, does this mean you are against porn too? I am really confused as to where you are going with this and as I said porn and talking to real women are not mutely exclusive concepts, neither is being dressed when you come down to it.lizards said:
this is what happens when you try to make a good point by over examining thingsWorsle said:
ok i had about a paragraph when i noticed that last sentence on the other quote which i believe is an edit and that also changes what the statement means so ya i agree with you there
This was good, and funny. I liked some of those lines, and the perspective of an almost unwilling erotic adventurer (who was also a reflective scientist) visiting strange new worlds of vat-made constructs.
Aren't games like this the reason Sims has a modding community?
Although i guess there is something to the whole game idea of this, part of sexual interest is that this is a person you've known and wanted for a long time and 5 minute porn can't really do that, but easily manipulable video games can't really do that either... i guess it could but... uh.... We have google
Although i guess there is something to the whole game idea of this, part of sexual interest is that this is a person you've known and wanted for a long time and 5 minute porn can't really do that, but easily manipulable video games can't really do that either... i guess it could but... uh.... We have google
Good article.
Look, men like porn... men like games. It doesn't take a lot of creative thinking to combine the ideas and make some money. Which is the most likely reason that this game was created in the first place. The concept of working your way towards the goal slowly, instead of just having an instant-sex simulator may seem odd to some people. But if you've ever been anywhere near a Korean MMO (or most JRPG-style games in general), you know that Asian gamers are often much more accepting of grindy and repetitive gameplay to attain some final goal than Western gamers, who prefer instant action games.
This is a rather bold statement, of course, but not completely untrue. And I think it goes a long way to explaining the purpose for the existence of games like these.
Look, men like porn... men like games. It doesn't take a lot of creative thinking to combine the ideas and make some money. Which is the most likely reason that this game was created in the first place. The concept of working your way towards the goal slowly, instead of just having an instant-sex simulator may seem odd to some people. But if you've ever been anywhere near a Korean MMO (or most JRPG-style games in general), you know that Asian gamers are often much more accepting of grindy and repetitive gameplay to attain some final goal than Western gamers, who prefer instant action games.
This is a rather bold statement, of course, but not completely untrue. And I think it goes a long way to explaining the purpose for the existence of games like these.
I think you overestimate the influence of religion. One of the fundamental rules of our 'western religious morals' which are so ingrained in our minds is that murder is a great sin, and yet the homicide rates in the US are over 8 times higher than in Japan.vivaldiscool said:
What is important here is the cultural attitude towards sex and erotica. It's not that Japan agrees that crazy fetishes are wrong but they are into them anyway. I would guess it's simply that no great harm is seen. I suppose the attitude towards someone playing eroge in private would be more 'It's none of my business' than 'Ew, gross' (at least leaning towards this option more than it does in the West). Japan always had a rather liberal approach to matters of sexuality. The West had more and less open attitudes depending on the time and place, but to the best of my knowledge Japan has never seen an ultra-prude movement condemning sex to all hell, of the likes we had.
"Games like AG3 probably aren't responsible for creating the view of women as puzzles that, once solved, are entirely in your control. But they do serve a single-player audience for whom this view is already in place, an audience who want to spend a little time puzzling and a lot of time dominating their 3-D anime creations."
How is it any different to Mass Effects "romance", where a result is guaranteed if you know the "correct" dialogue options or the "Girlfriends" in GTA : SA, where you go out on a purely mechanical "date" which is as fake as any in the game reviewed. Minus the pornography, the concept is well established in mainstream gaming. We should look at ourselves and our own gaming habits, rightly or wrongly, I think the only reason this kind of game hasn't taken off here is the Yuk! factor.
How is it any different to Mass Effects "romance", where a result is guaranteed if you know the "correct" dialogue options or the "Girlfriends" in GTA : SA, where you go out on a purely mechanical "date" which is as fake as any in the game reviewed. Minus the pornography, the concept is well established in mainstream gaming. We should look at ourselves and our own gaming habits, rightly or wrongly, I think the only reason this kind of game hasn't taken off here is the Yuk! factor.
Great article, exceptionally well written and interesting. I think you've managed to be both funny (specially the first half!), without being scathing (which is important), and analytical, a combination that's very hard to achieve. And your analysis makes an awful lot of sense too, I can see why you'd conclude that the element of fantasy present here is very much that of control, specially a control over the possibility of rejection. Kudos!
Indeed. But is it a good thing? Sure, it's fantasy, and every rational adult will eventually realize, "hey, it doesn't work like that," but we still have to be careful to have realistic and not fantastic expectations about our relationships. The question then is, are such romantic fantasies healthy and help us vent our frustrations or do they unrealistically raise our expectations with regards to real romantic encounters?antipunt said:
I mean, it can get truly frightening in that "women are just puzzles" plays directly into the stalker mentality of, "if only I could just figure out what it is I can do to get her/him to love me". So I can imagine the fear against such fantasies. But how they truly affect us is beyond what we know.
The only thing this really shows is that after ten thousand years of existence, we still don't know enough about what makes us tick.
Ugh, don't start. There's unreported crimes, the fact that train molestation is a -very- big problem, and other factors - it's hardly a clearcut issue. Not only that, but them having said games aren't the only difference between here and Japan; more likely it is the culture that produces the games and the crime patterns, rather than the game producing the crime patterns.
