2500 PC Gamers Banned from Modern Warfare 2
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2500? The phrase drops in a rain storm come to mind.
It's nice to see VAC banning the hackers it has/can track, but without server side admins VAC is really toothless bulldog.
2500 a day for a week or two would be more like it, but I can't see Actibliz making that big a dent in it's player base.
It's nice to see VAC banning the hackers it has/can track, but without server side admins VAC is really toothless bulldog.
2500 a day for a week or two would be more like it, but I can't see Actibliz making that big a dent in it's player base.
If IW were true, proper money grubbers, they would be upset over the fact that they could have have made more money from PC gamers, and made so many fundamental failures in regards to there matchmaking system, which discouraged so many sales on the PC, and discourages future sales of future products. IW, you thought that the game would be better without dedicated servers. Fine, that was your prerogative, you gave it a shot. It was a failure. You failed. You can either throw money away and do ineffective, token measures like this, or you can listen to the community, and make a product your consumers will find more valuable, and bring back dedicated servers. Don't get me wrong, MW2 is a great, fun game, the multiplayer is a blast, but as it turns out, those criticisms that were thrown your way? Spot on. So thanks for banning the hackers, but seriously...its barely a drop in the bucket. Your life will be easier with crowd-sourcing. Our life will be easier. Whats the problem here?
Also, if you suck it up, admit you were wrong and make a change in the right direction, you will earn a lot of respect.
Also, if you suck it up, admit you were wrong and make a change in the right direction, you will earn a lot of respect.
Does anyone else feel like valve just shipped 2500 cheaters off to the same warehouse where they're storing the ark of the covenant?
what really makes me laugh is the general sense of surprise over this.
When activision confirmed the whole IW.net thing, and used the whole "anti hack / pirate" as one of the many reasons to defend there greedy decision; they did 2 really stupid things:
1. Pissed off the community; many of which write code as a hobby.
2. Challanged hackers to "beat" the system.
To show the "surprise" over the fact there are hackers just shows the hubris Activision/IW have, and the general lack of intelligence PC gamers who bought the game have. This first 2500 I'd be willing to bet is either proxy accounts set up to burn, or just the little fish who bought the code trying to be "skilled". The big fish are still 10 steps ahead of VAC.
No anti cheat is perfect. There will always be someone a step ahead. There will always be some one tweaking the code to get an advantage. This is just a general "Fact" of PC gaming. Challanging the hackers like Activision/IW did means that its not just one, or a few; but i'd say a dedicated community out there willing to spend the time to reak as much havoc a they can.
If any thing right now I am just going to sit back and watch, and try not to laugh too much. Dedi's wouldnt fix this problem either. But a dedicated community and Server admins can do more to make 'cheaters' arare thing then PB, VAC or anti-cheat system in the world.
When activision confirmed the whole IW.net thing, and used the whole "anti hack / pirate" as one of the many reasons to defend there greedy decision; they did 2 really stupid things:
1. Pissed off the community; many of which write code as a hobby.
2. Challanged hackers to "beat" the system.
To show the "surprise" over the fact there are hackers just shows the hubris Activision/IW have, and the general lack of intelligence PC gamers who bought the game have. This first 2500 I'd be willing to bet is either proxy accounts set up to burn, or just the little fish who bought the code trying to be "skilled". The big fish are still 10 steps ahead of VAC.
No anti cheat is perfect. There will always be someone a step ahead. There will always be some one tweaking the code to get an advantage. This is just a general "Fact" of PC gaming. Challanging the hackers like Activision/IW did means that its not just one, or a few; but i'd say a dedicated community out there willing to spend the time to reak as much havoc a they can.
If any thing right now I am just going to sit back and watch, and try not to laugh too much. Dedi's wouldnt fix this problem either. But a dedicated community and Server admins can do more to make 'cheaters' arare thing then PB, VAC or anti-cheat system in the world.
VAC bans are heartless and soulless. These are not your 5-day 'slap on the wrist' bans or 30-day 'better not do that again' bans, or even year long 'you won't even want to play this game anymore once your ban is up' bans. VAC bans are permanent, and very, very, very few have ever been successfully disputed. Also, VAC bans have a delayed effect. While you may be caught cheating immediately, the ban might not go into effect for as long as a week or two, making it difficult to tell what exactly landed you that ban. 2500 VAC bans is serious business, or at least somewhat more serious than it seems.
That said, I still believe it's a money making scheme. The only way to get back to playing is to buy another copy of the game, and they've effectively issued a challenge to the community to beat their system.
That said, I still believe it's a money making scheme. The only way to get back to playing is to buy another copy of the game, and they've effectively issued a challenge to the community to beat their system.
.....Huh, in my mind that doesn't sound good, i'd hate to think that these sort of people have the money to spare just to add fuel to the fire on both sides here. Two wrongs do not make a right.MiketheBassMan said:
Odd thought: the crush depth of a WW2 German U-boat in gold is about 10 meters.
I believe it is an external application that gets access to the memory of the game and continually through some reverse-engineering knowledge figures out where hostiles are, determines if you have LOS, and if so points at them -- usually instantly, which is how people identify aimbots from kill cams, from the sudden "snap" to headshots, especially out of field of view. (An aimbot can also add various options such as "hold a button to enable auto-aim," maybe an auto-fire, whatever). But I would expect they have to shield themselves from VAC/PB (make themselves invisible to it) in some way, because VAC/PB might be able to do something like ask the operating system which processes haveeelel said:
A wallhack would be similar, except it would
Something like Oblivion Script Extender works in a similar way (but obviously without needing to hide its activities).
2,500 cheaters? Hell, I could ban 2,500 cheaters just by running a grep on "Aimbot + Forum" or "Server + Idling".
Scrooge McDuck indeed.
(Hold on...isn't that a racist slur against the Scottish?)
Scrooge McDuck indeed.
(Hold on...isn't that a racist slur against the Scottish?)
Is that the same one where Duke Nukem Forever lies? Along with the dedicated servers and Half Life Episode 3?KeyMaster45 said:
