300's Sequel Stars The Bad Guy

SnakeoilSage

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I'm gonna side against Frank Miller. The guy hasn't been "sabotaging his own career" since The Dark Knight Returns and Sin City as he has proven he was a one hit wonder.

Yes, we all applaud how Frank Miller renewed interest in Batman. Yes, it allowed some of the yesteryear fans to come out of the closet about their comic collections. Yes, it created a darker, grittier Batman that seems to have left a permanent mark on the industry.

But that was twenty-five years ago. Geeks don't need to "jock things up" anymore. We enjoy our camp, our cheese, our corn, and we enjoy it with pride.

I for one am getting tired of the "darker, gritter" Batman. Frank's comic and a lot of Batman material released since then have continued to paint Batman as nothing more than a brutal, emotionless, but otherwise functional sociopath. Nothing motivates him but rage, which always seems ready to boil over into full-out madness, that he can make himself stop at all seems to be his only heroic ability.

The Animated Series, by contrast, showed us Batman could enjoy gothic stories and yet still remain true to the Batman as a hero. He was motivated by the tragedy of his past, and it was that pain that drove him to overcome the odds without giving up his principles. Not only was the Batman a better character, his villains were better, as well. Mark Hamill's Joker and Mr. Freeze. Absolute awesome.

So yeah, sorry Frank, you wre just a placeholder.
 

jurnag12

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Wait, isn't Immortals a sequel to 300? Because they sure as hell look exactly the same, judging by the trailer.....
 

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This movie sounds like a terrible idea. Can't they at least not have "300" in the title? It doesn't have anything to do with the 300 spartans anyway.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
vansau said:
(though Frank Miller has since announced he's working on a story set in the same universe).
Uh, Frank...this happened in OUR universe...it's loosely based on historical fact.
"Universe" here refers to a fictional creation, unless of course there really were crab executioners, ogre creatures and the Immortals were lizard men...things.

Frank Miller took a page from history and changed it, similar to Romance of the Three Kingdoms by Luo Guanzhong.

Fallout would be another example, that is set in "our universe", but it changes significantly to our own to be considered a different "universe", same with 300.
 

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Wouldn't it be hilarious if they called the sequel "600" and made into a cheesy sitcom where Xerxes is the wacky, annoying neighbor that always has a scheme up his sleeve while King Leonidas is the dad who is constantly beset by his wife(Queen Gorgo) and his family?

Yeah, that would be a hell of a lot more interesting than another "hardcore" action movie based around tough-guy bullshit and gritty lens filters.
 

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so the battle of platae was just an impossibility then? Never mind that it was the battle that happened after the battle of the hot gates and was the final conflict of the Greko-Persian conflict, no no we couldn't possibly follow the story to its logical narrative conclusion could we? I mean why is 300 in the title it's more like a retelling from the villains point of view, this is the worst sequel idea I've heard of sense Highlander 2 the Quickening
 

agentorange98

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also glory fuckin be that we're seeing a 300 sequel, clash of the titans 2 and 3, and Immortals, cause greek mythology hadn't taken it up the ass from hollywood quite enough.
 

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Hey HEY! Insult this all you want but lay off The Spirit! ;)

On topic though eeh...it could work, the potential is there if they pull it off right. Having Xerxes being a brainwashed hero could be interesting. The main thing that makes me think it won't work is the fact that Zack Snyder isn't involved. 1st movie is success with a certain director, it isn't wise to switch. It's likely going to end up trying to imitate Snyder's style when that style is what made 300 in the first place. Problem is it won't be the same. Imagine if someone tried to make an Inception sequel without Nolan directing it. Or a Jurassic Park sequel without Spielberg directing it. Oh wait, that did happen with Jurassic Park 3 :s
 

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In all honesty, I don't know if I'm even fully convinced that 300 was a good idea.

It was certainly something to watch, full of visual style and auditory rumble, sort of like being in the front row of a rock concert. But even coming out of the theater, I wasn't sure if I had been "awesome-experience-knocked-flat" or "five-feet-from-a-train-derailment-knocked-flat". So much of it was so over-the-top that I think part of my mind was going, "Really? I- you- really?! You think- you're going to- seriously?..."

I'm not sorry I saw it, because it was a remarkable experience, even if parts of me aren't certain it was exactly a cultural milestone. But I quite doubt a second pull from the well would have the advantage of washing over me or surprising me in the same way, and all the failures and excesses would thus likely stand out that much more.
 

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Sober Thal said:
Just looked up the battle of Artemisia...

So this is going to be mostly a sea faring vessel movie?

To the people saying why bother with another movie... the Spartans died defending a retreat... don't you wanna see what happens to the people they wanted to save?
I most certainly don't. 300 was horrible.

Besides, what the hell would they even call it? 301? 300 2?
 

Jandau

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This will either be great or it'll be a total and utter failure, depending on if the director can capture the essence of what made 300 so awesome. That being said, what made 300 awesome was the sight of a handful of overbuff killing machines slaughtering helpless Persians in slow motion while delivering badarse one-liners, so I'm not quite sure how they'll manage that with the Persians...

Bonus question: Am I the only one who thinks that 300's Xerxes is remarkably similar to Autarch Sulepis from the Shadowmarch books?
 

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whoa whoa, they were worried about what Zak Snyder would do with it? he made them $450 mill lol

all 300 true spartiates died in 300, why keep the title lol?, they helots and archadians were sent home by Leonidas..(im a history student lol)
 
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Baresark said:
This is a work of fiction.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealityIsUnrealistic
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BasedOnAGreatBigLie
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButItReallyHappened

Given the only account of the 300 Spartans readily available is a fictionalised one, don't you think that's a splendid way to get around any sort of libel laws? Like say, basing a 'fictional' comic book around the events of 9/11 [http://io9.com/5816828/frank-millers-superhero-vs-al-qaeda-comic-comes-out-on-the-tenth-anniversary-of-911].

I mean Maus also goes that way, but it specifically deals with the unreal reality of the piece.

It's a common occurrence when people harp on 300 based on the fact that it is inaccurate. My advice would to avoid comic book culture. Or at very least align yourself with the reality that it's a work of fiction based very loosely off real events.
My advice would be not to be passive-aggressive. Not until you know the depths of someone's knowledge on the subject.

It is delineated, by the events of the first movie. The only way it fits our reality is the most basic points of the event.
So all future installments cannot refer to our history as it will have been different. Funny that, let's see how often they do that.

ChupathingyX said:
"Universe" here refers to a fictional creation, unless of course there really were crab executioners, ogre creatures and the Immortals were lizard men...things.
You've read Odysseus, right? Or when the Daleks were involved in World War 2?

Frank Miller took a page from history and changed it, similar to Romance of the Three Kingdoms by Luo Guanzhong.
See Holy Terror. Great way to "fictionalise" real life views. Pathe News would be proud.
 

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According to history, Xerxes wasn't even at the final battle at the end of 300, he got word that one of his underlings was trying to launch a coup, so he took the majority of his troops and went home.

Yeah Xerxes can't be the good guy, then Leonidas would be the bad guy. You can't have two good guys fighting it out.
 

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008Zulu said:
Yeah Xerxes can't be the good guy, then Leonidas would be the bad guy. You can't have two good guys fighting it out.
Why not? It's your story, what's stopping you?
Other than Hollywood producers, obviously.
 

Baradiel

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Don't think the sequel is necessary, but it could be interesting seeing it from Xerxes view. They made him ridiculously over the top evil in 300. Lets see if they can mellow him out.

However, it would have been nice to have been able to read half that article. If only there wasn't a fucking advert covering half the page.