6th Grader Shoots Potential Rapist

[Valanthe]

Can't believe people are celebrating this. "Potential rapist?" He might have been a neighbour wanting to borrow some milk.

Teaching a 12-year old this kind of insularity and mistrust is barbaric. In other words, perfectly in line with American values.

How many people wanting to "borrow some milk" smash a window and go in thataway?

What do you mean? Isn't that how everyone asks their neighbours for milk?

Boy have I sure been doing it wrong, that explains all the screaming the last time I ran out...

On topic, I'm a little torn on this, first off, good for the girl for taking matters into her own hands, we have a term for people who think that their governments can somehow magically save the day with instant response times, they're called statistics (Also, in before someone tries to jump down my throat for supposedly advocating some kind of anarchic, free guns for all, regime) But on the other hand, I do find it a little disconcerting that a 12 year old had easy access to any firearm. Yeah it may have saved her life this time, and that's a good thing, but the fact remains that there is a real safety problem in that home.

 

[Redryhno]

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Wasn't pointing fingers Mr.Kitteh, just making a general statement about the people on the internet, looks like you're making a mountain out of a molehill, forest fire out of a match, bleeding ulcer over nerves, etc., choose your metaphor.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Better to assume the person who has broken into your home is a rapist or murderer than let your guard down and give them a chance to take advantage of you.

The news should always just make up the worst possible scenario, because what if it's true even though there's absolutely no evidence to support it. He was probably also a Nazi Satanist who wanted to drink her blood and then wear her skin as a coat. Let's make a passive aggressive news story with that title too.

 

[SlaveNumber23]

Better to assume the person who has broken into your home is a rapist or murderer than let your guard down and give them a chance to take advantage of you.

The news should always just make up the worst possible scenario, because what if it's true even though there's absolutely no evidence to support it. He was probably also a Nazi Satanist who wanted to drink her blood and then wear her skin as a coat. Let's make a passive aggressive news story with that title too.

I meant to the perspective of the girl or anyone experiencing a home invasion, not the media reporting on it. Wasn't that obvious in my wording?

 

[lacktheknack]

The girl is fine: good.
No one died: good.
Nothing got nicked: good.
Ehrmagerd, raep! sensationalism: not good.

To be fair, he was trying to get into the closet where she was, and most likely heard she was in there (she was talking to a 911 operator). Chances of being a rapist: Higher.

The "rape" is an inappropriate attention grabber, though, yes.

OT: I'm torn. On the one hand, this turned out spectacularly well. On the other hand, this could have gone spectacularly wrong.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

I meant to the perspective of the girl or anyone experiencing a home invasion, not the media reporting on it. Wasn't that obvious in my wording?

Sure, and wasn't it obvious in Keoul's post that "we're" is a reference to all of us and not to a 12 year old girl? Or... wait did the 6th grader write the news article? Did they hire her? And she wrote it as the guy was breaking into her house so she didn't have time to fact check or not take giant leaps to unfounded conclusions? Because if so, that's fine; but otherwise maybe the people writing the news should write news.

 

[lacktheknack]

Better to assume the person who has broken into your home is a rapist or murderer than let your guard down and give them a chance to take advantage of you.

The news should always just make up the worst possible scenario, because what if it's true even though there's absolutely no evidence to support it. He was probably also a Nazi Satanist who wanted to drink her blood and then wear her skin as a coat. Let's make a passive aggressive news story with that title too.

Strawman Fallacy: A logical fallacy where the original statement is ignored, and a related yet completely different statement is attacked in its place.

Seen here in: The original statement recommended treating home invasion with extreme care and expecting the worst. You responded with a passive aggressive attack on his statement that media outlets should treat a home invasion as if the worst possible scenario was happening... a statement he did not make.

Please try again.

 

[lacktheknack]

I meant to the perspective of the girl or anyone experiencing a home invasion, not the media reporting on it. Wasn't that obvious in my wording?

Sure, and wasn't it obvious in Keoul's post that "we're" is a reference to all of us and not to a 12 year old girl? Or... wait did the 6th grader write the news article? Did they hire her? And she wrote it as the guy was breaking into her house so she didn't have time to fact check or not take giant leaps to unfounded conclusions? Because if so, that's fine; but otherwise maybe the people writing the news should write news.

It doesn't matter what Keoul said, seeing how SlaveNumber23's post didn't address him properly, but his response was self-contained and did have its own point.

 

[lacktheknack]

Can't believe people are celebrating this. "Potential rapist?" He might have been a neighbour wanting to borrow some milk.

Teaching a 12-year old this kind of insularity and mistrust is barbaric. In other words, perfectly in line with American values.

You act like the girl burst through the front door and gunned him down, rather than him breaking a window, likely hearing the girl in the closet (she was panicking on the phone), and trying to open said closet.

And if encouraging my daughter to mistrust and dislike home intruders is barbaric, then I'm perfectly OK with restarting the Barbarian Revolution.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Can't believe people are celebrating this. "Potential rapist?" He might have been a neighbour wanting to borrow some milk.

Teaching a 12-year old this kind of insularity and mistrust is barbaric. In other words, perfectly in line with American values.

If this is a joke, you might want to make it more obvious. But in case it isn't, he wasn't shot through the front door while knocking. He had smashed a window, entered the house illegally, and was shot when attempting to open the closet the girl was hiding in. Of course he was to be "mistrusted!" Next time, read the article before posting nonsense. The part about him being a potential rapist is silly sensationalism, true. The part where he deserved to be shot was not.

I didn't read that bit. But is it so far-fetched to imagine a situation like the one I mentioned? Breaking the windows is just a minor footnote.

And I could also envisage someone's wife being run over and breaking into the nearest house to use the phone.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Can't believe people are celebrating this. "Potential rapist?" He might have been a neighbour wanting to borrow some milk.

Teaching a 12-year old this kind of insularity and mistrust is barbaric. In other words, perfectly in line with American values.

You act like the girl burst through the front door and gunned him down, rather than him breaking a window, likely hearing the girl in the closet (she was panicking on the phone), and trying to open said closet.

And if encouraging my daughter to mistrust and dislike home intruders is barbaric, then I'm perfectly OK with restarting the Barbarian Revolution.

Even if they just want some milk? (without breaking the window)

 

[game-lover]

If anyone wants to borrow some milk, then they'd let their presence be known by either knocking on the door, calling out or both. One has to assume if someone is entering one's house without any damn permission isn't to be trusted. Especially when said person is sneaking around.

OT: I do think they shouldn't label him as a potential rapist. He had just as much potential to simply murder the girl if he found her. No one is calling him a potential killer though.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Good going kid. It's always good to know how to defend yourself and know what you have to do it with.

The outcome was favorable, but I am concerned as to why a 12-year-old had access to a gun unsupervised. I guess I could understand if she is a member of a "gun family" that knows their shit and taught her at an early age how to use one properly...

The only thing my dad ever taught me how to fire was the pellet gun that he got for me and my brother.

Of course I was a rather boring child when it came to getting into trouble. I was home alone one day(must have been nine or ten) and I believe I was looking in the closets for something(maybe Christmas gifts, I don't know). While searching in my parents bedroom, I discovered where my dad kept two rifles he had(I guess they were for protection, because he never used them as far as I know). I was like, "cool, dad's rifles", then I closed the closet door and went to go play video games. As I said, I was a boring child.

Really, I think no matter how good a parent hides something, the kid will find it eventually. Anyway, the girl is 12, I know at that age, even if I wasn't taught, I would have been able to quickly figure out how to load a gun and fire it.

 

[lacktheknack]

Can't believe people are celebrating this. "Potential rapist?" He might have been a neighbour wanting to borrow some milk.

Teaching a 12-year old this kind of insularity and mistrust is barbaric. In other words, perfectly in line with American values.

You act like the girl burst through the front door and gunned him down, rather than him breaking a window, likely hearing the girl in the closet (she was panicking on the phone), and trying to open said closet.

And if encouraging my daughter to mistrust and dislike home intruders is barbaric, then I'm perfectly OK with restarting the Barbarian Revolution.

Even if they just want some milk? (without breaking the window)

If someone I don't know just marches into my home, the correct response is "Why are you in here?! Get out!"

That's what doorbells are for, you know.

 

[SlaveNumber23]

I meant to the perspective of the girl or anyone experiencing a home invasion, not the media reporting on it. Wasn't that obvious in my wording?

Sure, and wasn't it obvious in Keoul's post that "we're" is a reference to all of us and not to a 12 year old girl? Or... wait did the 6th grader write the news article? Did they hire her? And she wrote it as the guy was breaking into her house so she didn't have time to fact check or not take giant leaps to unfounded conclusions? Because if so, that's fine; but otherwise maybe the people writing the news should write news.

I'm sorry, why is there the need to defend Keoul's post so aggressively? My original post was a misunderstanding and if you take a look at the other posts you will see that someone has already not only pointed it out to me but done so in a reasonable manner and I apologized for the misunderstanding. Are you going to attempt to discuss anything of value or just continue to throw around wild exaggerations and take what I posted completely out of context?

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Strawman Fallacy: A logical fallacy where the original statement is ignored, and a related yet completely different statement is attacked in its place.

Seen here in: The original statement recommended treating home invasion with extreme care and expecting the worst. You responded with a passive aggressive attack on his statement that media outlets should treat a home invasion as if the worst possible scenario was happening... a statement he did not make.

Please try again.

Oh kind of like his statement being a false response to the original statement about media, and I merely brought it back to the actual subject he was responding to. Perhaps you should try again.

It doesn't matter what Keoul said, seeing how SlaveNumber23's post didn't address him properly, but his response was self-contained and did have its own point.

There's no reason for him to quote it if he was not responding to it. It was clearly a response, just a really stupid one. Unless your argument is that s/he quotes people at pure random. And then I suggest someone get him to a hospital or a psychologist because something is clearly not right if you're pointlessly quoting people.

 

[A.A.K]

1: Kick Ass is over rated and about as deep as a kiddie pool during a drought.
2: Aren't we glad that the girl is safe? I sure am!
3: This:

The intruder got a gunshot and he's about to get his booty violated in the cell block.

Job well done, 12 year old girl.

Is unacceptable.
So, is what your trying to tell me is that rape is a good thing in some cases?
Like, if it's an "ironic" punishment for a male criminal?
What if the intruder had been female? Would you have made the same "joke"?
No, because rape can't really be considered "appropriate" or "laughable" unless the victim's a man.
If we strip away the societal context of the joke, you've basically now said that SOME rape is ok. Of course, you basically get away with it, because the listeners are supposed to find the perpetrator reprehensible/sub-human and therefore an acceptable target for anything.
For example, I could reasonably be forgiven for saying "If I knew a Nazi, I'd decapitate him, peel the flesh from his face, place my fingers in his still dripping eye sockets, and bowl his recently scalped cranium into a woodchipper. I would then use the brain matter to feed other nazis". Sure, that example is extreme, but if we attach the word "Nazi" to the beginning why does it strangely feel more acceptable? Even with the word "nazi" added in as my "get out of jail free card", I've still just admitted to desiring the brutal murder, desecration, and mutilation of another man because I disagree with his personal philosophy.
Is that REALLY the society we want to live in?
Please reconsider this opinion.

Actually, I'd be for the joke even if said potential rapist was a female.

You know why?

CAUSE ITS A FUCKING RAPIST! Yeah a rape joke is okay if the butt of the joke falls on a RAPIST.

Also, did you just describe the desire to genocide entire groups of Gays, Gypsies and Jews as "Personal Philosophy"?

Let's leave the ex reality show hosts out of this...
1: We're not talking about rape jokes, we're talking about your amusement at the concept of rape being inflicted as an ironic or just punishment. Again, is some Rape ok in your mind?
2: Like I said, it's an extreme example. This was not meant to imply that atrocities committed by the Nazis were somehow excusable as a "point of view". However, what I'm tying to get across is that MAYBE it's a bad idea to answer ugliness with ugliness. Maybe, it's better to try and move forward as human beings, rather than satisfying ourselves with cheap cathartic crap.

Eh. Evidently it appears some rape is ok.
If I found out a serial rapist or child molester was going to get gang raped, and I had the power to stop it - I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do it myself, and I wouldn't go tell someone "rape that guy", but if someone is going to make the decision to rape this bit of pond scum, I'd accept that.
Call it an 'occupational hazard'.

 

[TakerFoxx]

I didn't read that bit. But is it so far-fetched to imagine a situation like the one I mentioned? Breaking the windows is just a minor footnote.

And I could also envisage someone's wife being run over and breaking into the nearest house to use the phone.

Yes, it is incredibly far-fetched. I actually live in America, and despite what you may have been led to believe, we don't answer the doors with the barrel of a shotgun. Sure, there's gun-crazed rednecks out there, but the majority of us just open the door and say "Hello?" without worrying if there's going to be a shoot-out. Breaking the windows and entering is most definitely NOT a minor footnote and is a clear declaration of home invasion and bad intentions, whether it be burglary, rape or otherwise, no matter what country you're in.

And come on dude, the scenario you're describing is just silly. For one, if someone needs help that badly, they usually scream for it and move to a different house if the first one doesn't answer the door.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I find it odd that people consider home invasion where residents are at home and, somehow, feel as though the resident's use of force might somehow be out of bounds.

 

[Xariat]

Wow the word "rape" really brings out the worst of the escapist.

Personally I'm glad it turned out OK and that the girl was unharmed.
but there are a few points I'd like to add.

first off the fact that she had access to a .40 glock.
The label "potential rapist" because everyone is a "potential rapist". yeah he broke into the house and was headed for the closet where the girl was hiding but there are no proof that he had the intention to rape her.