A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

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Democrats shamelessly campaigning using taxpayer money call for free, round-the-clock tv coverage in last days before election. Shocking.
 

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Democrats shamelessly campaigning using taxpayer money call for free, round-the-clock tv coverage in last days before election. Shocking.
If you are talking about the subpoena the Republicans in the committee also voted for to subpoena him, it was even introduced by one of them.
 
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Democrats shamelessly campaigning using taxpayer money call for free, round-the-clock tv coverage in last days before election. Shocking.
Your right.

Actually it reminds of something they did in 2016.


Oops, my bad. That was the Republicans.
 

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Your right.

Actually it reminds of something they did in 2016.


Oops, my bad. That was the Republicans.
And then there was the Benghazi hearing that started at the end of September during a midterm year. Didn't conclude until December after the 2016 election. And there was Bill Clinton's impeachment which also started up... right before elections in a midterm.

Democrats shamelessly campaigning using taxpayer money call for free, round-the-clock tv coverage in last days before election. Shocking.
You should amend that to politicians. There is not a politician alive I can think of who wouldn't put up a show trial right before elections if they had any sort of pretense.
 
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The Jan 6th hearings have a near-zero chance of actually resulting in justice being done, and the Democrats surely know that. So sure, you can say it's a show trial in a sense.

But we also know that if the Dems didn't pursue the hearings, then plenty of Dem voters/commentators would say they're "not even trying" and that that constitutes complicity. And plenty of Republican voters/commentators would say that the very fact they're not pursuing it proves that they don't have the courage of their convictions, and proves Trump's innocence.

The Dems are a bunch of twats, but they're in a damned-either-way situation strategically here. And pursuing the hearings is the better option. At the very least, it might compel broader awareness or new evidence to come to light.
 

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The Jan 6th hearings have a near-zero chance of actually resulting in justice being done
Disagree there, it's not going to get the to cause of the problem, or any of the big players, but they might incarcerated some unimportant person who owns 20 AR 15s who'd otherwise attack somewhere else later
 

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If you are talking about the subpoena the Republicans in the committee also voted for to subpoena him, it was even introduced by one of them.
This is the wrong response. Liz Cheney has already lost her seat and is threatening to leave the party, entirely because she's gone long with this farce.
It's sickening you think any of what has been shown is okay and undeserving of accountability. Truly disgusting.
This is also the wrong response. If you think something is deserving of accountability, you don't put on a show trial with a committee that has literally no power to hold anyone accountable and than stall for 2 years to make sure the headlines hit at the right time.
And then there was the Benghazi hearing that started at the end of September during a midterm year. Didn't conclude until December after the 2016 election. And there was Bill Clinton's impeachment which also started up... right before elections in a midterm.

You should amend that to politicians. There is not a politician alive I can think of who wouldn't put up a show trial right before elections if they had any sort of pretense.
This is the right response. I could amend that to politicians.
The Dems are a bunch of twats, but they're in a damned-either-way situation strategically here. And pursuing the hearings is the better option. At the very least, it might compel broader awareness or new evidence to come to light.
Disagree. There is a long history of US politicians declining to prosecute or even pardoning their predecessors and rivals. Especially when the tagline of Biden's campaign was "return to normalcy", there is a mountain of political support to be garnered saying "we're putting that all behind us and moving on as a country." And to Biden's credit, he's said things like that himself and is not who's driving this situation. The DNC has gone for a different strategy instead, this committee is operating as part of the same strategy that has them pump money into extreme candidates in the Republican primary. They are trying to engineer a situation where they are the only alternative to crazy Trump people, rather than try to be likable themselves.
 

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Disagree. There is a long history of US politicians declining to prosecute or even pardoning their predecessors and rivals. Especially when the tagline of Biden's campaign was "return to normalcy", there is a mountain of political support to be garnered saying "we're putting that all behind us and moving on as a country." And to Biden's credit, he's said things like that himself and is not who's driving this situation. The DNC has gone for a different strategy instead, this committee is operating as part of the same strategy that has them pump money into extreme candidates in the Republican primary. They are trying to engineer a situation where they are the only alternative to crazy Trump people, rather than try to be likable themselves.
For the country to move on, the primary roadblock is not Dems pushing to investigate. The primary roadblock is that
so many Republican candidates have indulged the "steal" narrative in one way or another. Be it by voting against certification, or by publicly endorsing the lie. Now they say they might just refuse to accept the results of the midterms? And conspiracy theorists in the hundreds are going to be poll-watchers?

You cannot move on from something that's still ongoing. The Republican effort to disregard the need to win an election is still in full swing.
 
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For the country to move on, the primary roadblock is not Dems pushing to investigate. The primary roadblock is that
so many Republican candidates have indulged the "steal" narrative in one way or another. Be it by voting against certification, or by publicly endorsing the lie. Now they say they might just refuse to accept the results of the midterms? And conspiracy theorists in the hundreds are going to be poll-watchers?

You cannot move on from something that's still ongoing. The Republican effort to disregard the need to win an election is still in full swing.
That's never going to end. The history of voter fraud and election tampering is as old as the nation and perpetually ongoing. Pushback against it is needed from both parties. If Republicans gerrymander a state, Democrats push back, and you celebrate that. When Democrats in 2020 in my state made exceptional accommodations for blue, urban areas while offering no assistance to seniors effectively trapped inside by a pandemic, and then kicked the green party off the ballot to save themselves some votes, that it the same kind of anti-democratic nonsense and it requires pushback from Republicans. Democrats demand recounts in every presidential election they lose, and it is not only their right but their responsibility to do so. Declaring Republican efforts to audit 2020 conspiracy theories that will end Democracy is the opposite of responsible. Calling it the most secure election in history and condemning anyone who might doubt it makes more people doubt it.

For the country to move on, we need to accept that questions about election results are a permanent and necessary fixture of American politics.
 

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He'll never testify. It won't happen. If we've learned anything, its that yes, Trump is 10000000% above the law. They subpoena him, he says no. They double-dog dare him to come, he says no. Now what? Call in Dog the Bounty Hunter? High speed chase in a white Bronco? Trump, for all his bullshit, realized something profound. America is not a nation of laws, its a nation of traditions. Traditionally people follow subpoenas and get prosecuted for perjury. Trump called the Government's bluff, and the Government backed down.
Even if he does testify, two things happen. One he pleads the fifth endlessly, or two he goes off on a full rally rant about Jews and stolen election of the Steale report and Hunter Biden, the committee loses all face, Trump gets quadruple digit support, Republicans win big in the midterm, impeach Biden, impeach Harris, declare Trump the new president, the supreme court swears him in and he has all members of the Jan 6th committee up against a wall and shot, and declares no new elections, all to the screaming frothing at the mouth support of hundreds of millions of Americans.
 
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Democrats demand recounts in every presidential election they lose, and it is not only their right but their responsibility to do so.
Hillary Clinton conceded without asking for a recount in 2016, and John Kerry never requested a recount in 2004; what are you referring to?
 

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Liz Cheney has already lost her seat and is threatening to leave the party, entirely because she's gone long with this farce.
Liz Cheney had a history of voting alongside other Republicans more than 90% of the time, but she was pilloried as a traitor to the party because she wasn't willing to destroy the country for the sake of God-Emperor Trump. You know, like how you are.
 
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That's never going to end. The history of voter fraud and election tampering is as old as the nation and perpetually ongoing. Pushback against it is needed from both parties. If Republicans gerrymander a state, Democrats push back, and you celebrate that. When Democrats in 2020 in my state made exceptional accommodations for blue, urban areas while offering no assistance to seniors effectively trapped inside by a pandemic, and then kicked the green party off the ballot to save themselves some votes, that it the same kind of anti-democratic nonsense and it requires pushback from Republicans. Democrats demand recounts in every presidential election they lose, and it is not only their right but their responsibility to do so. Declaring Republican efforts to audit 2020 conspiracy theories that will end Democracy is the opposite of responsible. Calling it the most secure election in history and condemning anyone who might doubt it makes more people doubt it.

For the country to move on, we need to accept that questions about election results are a permanent and necessary fixture of American politics.
If you're still drawing false equivalences between the comparatively minor gripes and games of the past, and the wholesale conscious rejection of the democratic process that we see now, then you're not really interested in moving on at all. Democrats never, ever exhibited such widespread rejection of democracy.

Gerrymandering is not the same. Making "exceptional accommodations" to help yourself is not the same.
 
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Hillary Clinton conceded without asking for a recount in 2016, and John Kerry never requested a recount in 2004; what are you referring to?
Just say "Jill Stein called for those recounts" rather than dance around it. You aren't saying that shows you know how moot that point is. Don't try to be cute.
Liz Cheney had a history of voting alongside other Republicans more than 90% of the time, but she was pilloried as a traitor to the party because she wasn't willing to destroy the country for the sake of God-Emperor Trump. You know, like how you are.
She decided that rather than represent her constituents, she was going to try to position herself as the Republican opposition to Trump and then run for president. It was a stupid plan, and she earned the backlash.
Democrats never, ever exhibited such widespread rejection of democracy.
They started a caucus to impeach Trump before he took office. They called for faithless electors to deflect to Hillary. Democracy survived just fine.
 

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He'll never testify. It won't happen. If we've learned anything, its that yes, Trump is 10000000% above the law. They subpoena him, he says no. They double-dog dare him to come, he says no. Now what? Call in Dog the Bounty Hunter? High speed chase in a white Bronco? Trump, for all his bullshit, realized something profound. America is not a nation of laws, its a nation of traditions. Traditionally people follow subpoenas and get prosecuted for perjury. Trump called the Government's bluff, and the Government backed down.
Even if he does testify, two things happen. One he pleads the fifth endlessly, or two he goes off on a full rally rant about Jews and stolen election of the Steale report and Hunter Biden, the committee loses all face, Trump gets quadruple digit support, Republicans win big in the midterm, impeach Biden, impeach Harris, declare Trump the new president, the supreme court swears him in and he has all members of the Jan 6th committee up against a wall and shot, and declares no new elections, all to the screaming frothing at the mouth support of hundreds of millions of Americans.
Why am I hearing Welcome to My Nightmare by Alice Cooper when I read this?
 

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Just say "Jill Stein called for those recounts" rather than dance around it. You aren't saying that shows you know how moot that point is. Don't try to be cute.
Jill Stein is not a Democrat. She is a representative of the Green Party.

This is not the first time you've made the claim that Democrats ask for recounts when they lose, something I was surprised to read the first time I saw it but didn't bother asking about, but if you are going to continue to make that claim I figured I could ask what you referred to, independent of the subject at hand. I am not trying to be cute, I'm trying to give you a fair shot to explain yourself.
 
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