This movie is fucking racist and nobody is talking about it. It's not racist because the people in charge believe in racist rhetoric, but rather they are so cynical about their audience that they have to write in a minority love interest for the black male lead, just so that a white woman doesn't have to kiss him. Its so fucked up. Disney makes this big show of having Star Wars be all inclusive to all races and genders, but heaven forbid a black man kisses a white woman on the lips. They are all for "equality(tm)", but when it actually matters, a relationship between two people they hit the breaks. Fuck Rian Johnson, the movie is horrible. I am done with Disney Star Wars movies for at least the next five films. Can't believe this hack is getting his own trilogy.
This movie is fucking racist and nobody is talking about it. It's not racist because the people in charge believe in racist rhetoric, but rather they are so cynical about their audience that they have to write in a minority love interest for the black male lead, just so that a white woman doesn't have to kiss him. Its so fucked up. Disney makes this big show of having Star Wars be all inclusive to all races and genders, but heaven forbid a black man kisses a white woman on the lips. They are all for "equality(tm)", but when it actually matters, a relationship between two people they hit the breaks. Fuck Rian Johnson, the movie is horrible. I am done with Disney Star Wars movies for at least the next five films. Can't believe this hack is getting his own trilogy.
Well finally went to see the film, and it was a far more enjoyable space fantasy romp than any of the original trilogy (and certainly the bland Rogue One - TLJ had those actual facial expressions with that proper human emotion and character and whatnot; finally people to care about). I keep forgetting the series is basically aimed at the kiddos and parental adultos in a family-film sort of way, as the light/dark premise is inescapably stupid to say the least, but whatevs, I'm here for the entertainment. I blame this imprecise memory on the vast uncritical, unconditional nostalgic love people seem to have for the original trilogy, as it paints a much higher pretense of quality and maturity than they actually have. These are just space fantasy westerns for the kiddos/family and the old trilogy was not that great.
Have to say though, watching hardcore fans having a shitfit over critics like Mark Kermode rating it highly is equal parts baffling, entertaining and depressing. One commenter was pretty much saying Mark had lost all credibility in that one review alone. Hah. Nostalgia is one hell of a *****.
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Ditto. Any time any hardcore fanboy of anything starts crying about how they "ruined" something I know I'm probably in for fun. Might go see it twice, just for shiggles.
There are some seriously histrionic reviews in this here thread. Like, it's a movie series about laser swords and telepathic space monks, stop acting like Uwe Boll remade Citizen Kane or whatever.
They didn't 'ruin' anything.
They just were handed something, that were sure-fire hit and in first iteration played so safe it was bordering pliagiarism and in next iteration it really feels like 2 famous directors were trying to give blue balls one to another. Abrams leaving a lot of open ended but railed into certain direction plots and Johnson, taking and throwing them out of the window (ignoring or ending abruptly). Taking a giant piss at pacing (no plots or character development is really moved forward in any meaningful fashion in this movie) of the trilogy, burning bridges to tie in anything again with former movies, before taking his scheduled exit stage left.
Literally, it feels like a middle finger to Abrams more than anything. I can see the hilarity in this and it is a fun flick to watch but I'd rather 'boys' have had their squabble over something else than 40 years worth of, world recognised sci-fi setting. I am pretty serious when I say I'd rather watch a flick with gungan jedi and porg sith lords, featuring lightsaber duels. Because why the f-k not, it would be as entertaining and at least both directors could have dropped the pretense.
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I mean just imagine it. Porg sith lord fighting a gungan jedi. You know kids would have loved it and you know you'd have a blast in the theater watching that.
Watching this collective pivot away from TFA is maddening.
Two years ago, I was the proverbial mad man in the town square constantly shushed down by "Don't worry, they still have two films to explain it! Rey might be part of the Super Space Jesus Clan or a secret Kenobi! Finn is probably force-sensitive! Phasma will do something cool next movie!" when I expressed disdain for the insularity of the mythos centering around the same dozen characters and Abrams setting up shit I knew subsequent directors wouldn't bother with. Now, having received a shaggy dog story, all of a sudden everyone is treating Star Wars like Neon Genesis Evangelion and willing to throw TFA under the bus in order to jack off TLJ for its "deconstruction" and subversion and, "Hey, man, heroes fail too..." posturing despite having defended TFA's flaws with the old "They're children's fantasies!" canard. Yes, children want to see that heroes ultimately burn out, betray their values, get divorced, regress, and die ignominiously like Han Solo did.
I get it, though. People are more invested in the meta-narrative than the narrative. They're more interested in the idea of some Alt-Right/neckbeard fanboy gnashing teeth over all the girl power and diversity, OT purists having their noses swatted for being elitist pricks who think "the force" metaphorically belongs to them and crying, "Not my Luke!", or just reconciling how and why adults should continue being obsessed with such children's fairy tales. The story onscreen or this trilogy being internally consistent be-damned.
All the while at Disney: Yeah, yeah, kill the past, but first help us continue clearing 2 billion dollars off brand recognition alone for perpetuity! Aren't you excited for the upcoming Han Solo/Boba Fett/Obi Wan prequel adventures? Minorities in minor roles! PORGS!
As I mentioned: the reason they need a code breaker for the "disable the tracking device" plan is because they need a way past the shields on Snoke's ship. If small craft can get past shields (as seen with Poe's X-Wing and Kylo's TIE Fighter), why would they need codes to get past the shields?
I disagree. You're in military force. You have a plan. That plan depends on the enemy not knowing what that plan is. What's your clearance going to be? "Need to know basis". Heck, Poe even drops that line about his own plan, so it's clearly a thing in the Resistance. Why wouldn't it be in effect for such a move?
I've had a night to sleep on it and yeah, still the worst Star Wars movie I've ever seen, baring maybe those Ewok movies, but only because I haven't seen them in a while.
I imagine going back I'll be impressed with the coherent story, 3 act structure, consistent characters and development and lack of waste.
"But that's the point! Is the single defense I get when I alienate myself at dinner parties by my negativity. It's supposed to be mindless, I'm told. And then those professional types who are safe in loving Star Wars where they might be attacked for reading the latest Robert Silverberg or Thomas Disch sf novel, explain to me as carefully as one would a retarded child, that Star Wars is a return to the worship of the Eternal Verifies: honor, truth, fighting Evil. All black and white. Try black and white in a world of credit cards, punk rock, mastectomies, Watergate, the rise of homegrown Nazism, Anita Bryant, and the terrifying fact that more than half of all serious crimes in the United States are committed by people between the ages of ten and seventeen?-and that includes rape, murder, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary."
Before Rogue One and it's sterilised murder of an innocent man by it's "hero" at the side of the frame I thought Ellison's rant was unfair to what was only intended to be an action adventure throwback with nods to Kurosawa and Flash Gordon as a break in the middle of New Hollywood and not it's eventual killer. Now his writing has become distressingly prophetic.
It is totally fine to not like the movie, but you don't need to exaggerate/lie about what it does. If there's one thing TLJ does, it is provide character development. All of the four new main cast (Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo) get a clear arc in this movie and resolve it neatly with some character growth:
Rey: Learns that her heritage is unimportant and stops trying to find surrogate parents to cling to.
Finn: Gets to see the logical end point of his "I don't want to get involved"-stance and realizes he does not want to become like DJ, thus galvanizing him to take a stand against the First Order.
Poe: Has to face the realization that winning the battle is not winning the war and has to come to terms with following orders and trusting others to do what's right, instead of rushing off to do his own thing.
Kylo: Stops trying to mimic Vader, realizes that Snoke is manipulating him and resolves to reshape the galaxy to his own ideals.
Whether these arcs and plots are any good can be discussed, but they are undoubtedly there.
I loved it. It was different. A lot more different than what people are used to when they think about Star Wars. It's a bit more adult in its approach to certain things. So a lot of people are probably not going to like it. But every character had their big moment, although for some of them the big moment amounts to a complete fuck up, which will hopefully lead to their growth. And that's a big theme for this movie. It feels more like a war epic setting up the grand finale than a standard feel-good Star Wars movie about good triumphing against evil.
I loved it. It was different. A lot more different than what people are used to when they think about Star Wars. It's a bit more adult in its approach to certain things. So a lot of people are probably not going to like it. But every character had their big moment, although for some of them the big moment amounts to a complete fuck up, which will hopefully lead to their growth. And that's a big theme for this movie. It feels more like a war epic setting up the grand finale than a standard feel-good Star Wars movie about good triumphing against evil.
You mean like Empire Strikes back? Or Revenge of the Sith?
And big moments, sure, but ones that are completely out of character and a willfully negligent of the hero's journey. This movie was cinematic malpractice. A designed-by-committee Star Wars knockoff who clearly don't know story structure, let alone Star Wars.
It's worth pointing out that Joseph Campbell's monomyth is not to be adhered to slavishly. Rather, it's a tool in the toolbox. You don't need to hit the hero's journey beat for beat to make a story feel mythic in scope.
Granted yes, but Luke had already been on the hero's journey. Rey and Finn need not adhere, sure, but Luke already had and their new movie totally erases all heroic value in the character gained from said journey.
Its one thing to have non-traditional characters. Its another to rewrite an already established character to fit an out-of-character moment.
It'd be like going up to Batman and saying 'Batman, the Joker has kidnapped Nightwing and Oracle and is holding at the old abandoned Circus outside of town!'
and Batman just shrugging and going 'I don't fight crime anymore, the Joker wins, there's no point in fighting him"
It goes against the established nature of the character.
Nope, Luke trained in a T-16, an atmospheric ship not a combat starship. Rey had obviously been allowed on the Falcon considering how much she knew about how much was wrong with it. She obviously wanted to fly ships and obsessed over it... again much like Luke. Luke drove an airspeeder well, it was shown in the movie Rey had an airspeeder... not really seeing much difference. And Vader... Kylo Ren is no Vader. A half trained, conflicted and confused emo Vader maybe. Who had just been shot with a freaking bowcaster which the movie shows blasting stormtroopers 30 feet through the air, yet Kylo just tanks it so I'm sure he's far from at his best. It just didn't seem like much of an issue to me. No different than any "chosen one" story really. And the online response seemed very different than most others... where the protagonist is male. Just calling it like I see it.
I know the T-16 is atmospheric, but again, the movie goes to lengths as soon as Luke meets Ben that he's a good pilot. Ben says so, Luke tells Han, Biggs tells Red Leader, and at the end, we see that pay off, and even then, Luke still needs help to make the shot. Likewise, one can infer that he does have enough time to train in an X-Wing (an EU novel does confirm as such). Rey, novelization aside, hasn't been built up as a pilot prior to this point, has likely never flown anything before except her speeder (which isn't aerodynamic at all), and does so expertly.
As for Kylo Ren, sure, he took a bowcaster bolt to the stomach, but even so, while he's hampered physically, he has far more training than Rey. The she wins against him kind of undermines him as a future villain.
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This movie is fucking racist and nobody is talking about it. It's not racist because the people in charge believe in racist rhetoric, but rather they are so cynical about their audience that they have to write in a minority love interest for the black male lead, just so that a white woman doesn't have to kiss him. Its so fucked up. Disney makes this big show of having Star Wars be all inclusive to all races and genders, but heaven forbid a black man kisses a white woman on the lips. They are all for "equality(tm)", but when it actually matters, a relationship between two people they hit the breaks. Fuck Rian Johnson, the movie is horrible. I am done with Disney Star Wars movies for at least the next five films. Can't believe this hack is getting his own trilogy.
Granted yes, but Luke had already been on the hero's journey. Rey and Finn need not adhere, sure, but Luke already had and their new movie totally erases all heroic value in the character gained from said journey.
Its one thing to have non-traditional characters. Its another to rewrite an already established character to fit an out-of-character moment.
It'd be like going up to Batman and saying 'Batman, the Joker has kidnapped Nightwing and Oracle and is holding at the old abandoned Circus outside of town!'
and Batman just shrugging and going 'I don't fight crime anymore, the Joker wins, there's no point in fighting him"
It goes against the established nature of the character.
I disagree. Luke's character step can easily occur. If one completes the hero's journey, they're not obliged to stay a paragon for the rest of their life. Considering Luke's experiences, I can easily see him going down the path he did.
Let's use Batman as an example. If your scenario occurs while Bats is in top form, it's weird. But let's say, that, say, twenty years ago, Batman failed to stop the Joker from killing thousands. His failure shook him. What's more, if he hadn't blindly followed his no kill rule, and put the Joker in the ground, those thousands would still be alive. Feeling like he'd failed, believing that he wasn't good for Gotham City, he retired. But at least the Joker seemed to have gone.
Cut forward twenty years later, and Bats has gotten old. So when the Joker comes round, he doesn't feel up to it. Not physically, not mentally, and is wracked by guilt - if he does face the Joker, what then? Kill him? Imprison him, only to let him escape? No. His time has passed. Course Terry McGinnis can do whatever (who's telling Batman this anyway?)
This is off the top of my head, but my point is if that a character seems unflappable and perfect at one point in their character development, they're not guaranteed to stay at that point of said character development, and plenty of characters have been emotionally broken from their experiences, requiring protagonists to shake them out of it.
But the timing doesn't make sense. In the movie, Luke implies he knew who Snoke was while he was training Ben and the others. He knew about a Dark Lord of the Sith, and the Sith's attempts to get his padawans, and did nothing.
Even knowing there was a darkness growing in Ben, he not only refused to help Ben, but never attempted to stop Snoke, who apparently both Han and Leia knew about too, and did nothing.
And that's all ambivalence before Ben becomes Kylo.
So in keeping with the batman analogy, it'd be that Batman knew about the Joker's plan to murder thousands, chose not to stop him, then when thousands died went all emo and exiled himself. And now, years later, he doesn't care. Even though he obviously didn't care in the first place.
I disagree. You're in military force. You have a plan. That plan depends on the enemy not knowing what that plan is. What's your clearance going to be? "Need to know basis". Heck, Poe even drops that line about his own plan, so it's clearly a thing in the Resistance. Why wouldn't it be in effect for such a move?
Poe says that about his own plan because he knows he'll get in trouble if the higher ups find out about it and likely try to stop them. If the higher ups tell their subordinates about the official plan then it removes the need for Poe to even enact his plan. He just got a lecture about doing what he was told and following orders...well now he doesn't have any orders to go on and as such has good reason to believe that the higher ups have no idea what to do.
Also: she doesn't even pull rank or clearance on him, she just gives some platitude about "Leia would say to have hope and keep the faith." You say it's because it's on a need to know basis, I call it crappy communication from a commander. If Leia was still in charge, you could maybe get a pass in this regard, but when she's out of commission and someone new takes charge, you kinda want to hear "Now we have a plan moving forward to get us out of this situation. Everyone just remain calm and trust us, we'll get you all to safety." Even something as vague as that would have been fine. Poe might have still gone off half-cocked, but at least she'd have indicated that they already had a course of action to move forward with. Instead we get "Hope for hope that's worth hoping for to get the hope to hope for another hopeful day. Now everyone get back to your posts."
Uh-uh, I don't buy this "need to know basis" crap, because she never says her plan is on a need to know basis. Poe straight-up asks her what the plan is and that's when she simply invokes Leia's words to get him to stfu. A commanding officer should know how to handle her subordinates. She knew from the moment she met Poe what kind of person he is, she even says "I know how to handle people like that." All she would have to do is pull him aside and say "Look Poe, I need you to work with me on this. We're approaching a planet that has an old Rebel base on it. When we pass by it, we'll evacuate on shuttles that have been outfitted with technology that will prevent them from showing up on the First Order's scanners. The cruiser keeps going, luring the First Order away and we'll be safe on this planet. The men look up to you, so I need you to help keep them in line so that we can pull this off." Considering the talking-to that Leia gave him earlier, I can only imagine he'd go along with this. Why? Because now he knows that they have a plan and one that can work, there's no reason to send Finn and Rose off on a sidequest now. But no, she doesn't tell him...because apparently she doesn't know how to handle hot-headed flyboys like him. If she did, she'd have known that he was going to go off and do something stupid and jeopardize the mission...which he did, even to the point of staging a mutiny because he had no confidence that his commanding officer had any idea what she was doing. What could possibly make him think that?
The fact that she didn't bother to tell him - or anyone - what she was doing.
Even at the very last minute when they're passing the planet and loading everyone onto shuttles and he accuses her of treason for loading everyone onto unarmed and unshielded shuttles, all she'd have to say is "These shuttles have been modified so that they won't appear on scanners. The cruiser will be the decoy while we all make a break for the ship." But no, she just stands there and says "I hope you know what you're doing" in the face of a mutiny.
My friend, it's one of two things: a terrible commander that has no idea how to keep her subordinates in line despite specifically saying that she could, or bad writing because they needed some way to get Finn and Rose off on their sidequest and simply having the commanding officer withhold the plan - or even the notion that they had a plan - was the only way they could accomplish this. Take your pick. :^)
This movie is fucking racist and nobody is talking about it. It's not racist because the people in charge believe in racist rhetoric, but rather they are so cynical about their audience that they have to write in a minority love interest for the black male lead, just so that a white woman doesn't have to kiss him. Its so fucked up. Disney makes this big show of having Star Wars be all inclusive to all races and genders, but heaven forbid a black man kisses a white woman on the lips. They are all for "equality(tm)", but when it actually matters, a relationship between two people they hit the breaks. Fuck Rian Johnson, the movie is horrible. I am done with Disney Star Wars movies for at least the next five films. Can't believe this hack is getting his own trilogy.
Sorry for for being hyperbolic, but this is an issue that nobody talks about. If they hadn't made this weird half way beginnings of romance between Finn and Rey in TFA, I wouldn't give a fuck. I'm miffed, cause they back pedal and they back pedal HARD in the new movie. In general I found the movie to be unbearable. Lots of neat ideas and cool little moments, but this was the first movie I have seen years that left me so bored that I wanted it to end. Rian is somehow a genius for "deconstructing Star Wars" , but he did such a shitty job of tearing it all down that I no longer care. Congratulations Rian.
I can safely say that as someone who used to advocate for the prequels before, this movie is the reason I now advocate best for the Original Trilogy.
To preface this entire rant, I thought Rose was abnormally cute and you can all fight me on that.
First off, fuck off with that talk about Luke being some all-knowing perfectly capable God among protags, kid literally gets his shit pushed in compared to the rest of the cast for the first two movies, Death Star aside. Especially considering he was the most hesitant about the Jedi thing in the first place because of the way Yoda and Obi-Wan got on his ass. I completely forgot that they were being stooges and insisting for some sort of 2edgy4me ending without any hope for redemption in the mix.
Was it corny and sometimes contrived? Yes, but I could believe his development and his progression to finally becoming one of the last Jedi Knights in the galaxy, and choosing to go his own way from what his masters taught him.
I know it's Star Wars and everything and the morality can get pretty damn iffy, but I can get in to Luke being jaded about how the Jedi were, and how everything ended up coming down pretty badly. I thought the Jedi were always a bunch of overrated asswipes that were mainly just good for keeping Space Nazis off the galaxy's back, and even in the Original Trilogy it's pretty clear that Luke doesn't wholeheartedly agree with how they handle things. That's what made me appreciate Luke a lot, he came to a reasonable and in my opinion, far more justifiable viewpoint for the force and how the galaxy should go. After everything he's seen and learned, everything he's experienced, if he told me that the force in general wasn't working out for anyone and that this crap needed to end I'd say seen me the hell up.
So Luke just suddenly up and abandons his morals entirely? I get that he isn't as stupid powerful as Rey wants him to be in some regards but is he really going to ignore all that innocent life at stake if he ignores all of this? The same guy who defied his ghost mentors in their views that he couldn't try to save his father as well as stop the emperor, and then actually manages to get through to the guy? And that he'd try to kill his own family over fear?! What the fuck happened to the entire fucking original trilogy?! All that development for by far the cheapest excuse for a heel-turn ever?!
I don't care how much time passed between the trilogies that's still a load of crap to see after all the emotions that went in to his personality before he had that green lightsaber. Or are we just telling people that they should feel free to be as week-willed as they want after a certain point?
And then there's Leia. How did one of the most direct and level-headed character from the og trilogy end up hiring a secretive jackass like Holdo? Get that "secretive I have a plan no totally trust me guys I know what I'm doing" shit out of here. If any of you think that in an abnormally high contingency situation like that where one of your leaders just got spaced (Before Jesus-ing her way back in but that's a whole other weird talk) and your entire crew is literally on the brink of fucking imploding that it's a GOOD idea to NOT FUCKING TELL ANYONE WHAT'S GOING ON, you are actually a fucking charity case in pre-production. They aren't a bunch of basic ***** Mean Girl style jerk-offs in highschool organizing themselves around cliques and popularity for the sake of leading the next Pep Rally, YOU ARE AT WAR YOU ANOREXIC BARNEY THE DINOSAUR LOOKING IMBECILE. I highly doubt Poe would even have BOTHERED with that mutiny if she wasn't being such a secretive jackass. AND WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T LEIA GET ON BOTH THEIR CASES WHEN SHE CAME BACK?! IF THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY SHE WOULD ALREADY BE HALFWAY THROUGH CHEWING OUT HOLDO AND HALF THE SHIP FOR INCOMPETENCY And don't get me wrong, Poe is also wrong there, he would have most definitely screwed things even worse if he was left in charge, BUT WHY NOT AT LEAST TELL HIM SO HE DOESN'T GET IT IN HIS HEAD TO DO SOMETHING SO STUPID IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
I know this is more of a Holdo rant than a Leia one, but my point still stands. Leia was a badass to me because she cut the unnecessary chatter and preferred being on point, hell when Vader captures her she's lying to him AND getting on his case at the same time. She's my ideal diplomat and general but instead she's a freaking Golden Girls tribute here.
While Rey doesn't piss me off AS MUCH as it does a lot of people, she does still get on my nerves because I was hoping they'd be more nuanced with her this time around.
And no, you absolute god damn babies it's NOT because she's a woman.
She could've been some ripped 20 year old Disney Highschool Drama Bro with the biggest screw-off Aryan chin in the world and I still would've been angry about the character.
Now I will also say that I'm going to wait and see what Episode IX does with her, because I actually thinks she was way better here than in The Force Awakens.
But as a general take, she just feels like she doesn't even do much of anything. Rose and Finn do something, Leia does something, Luke does something, Han does something by retrospective of being dead and that messing with Kylo does plenty.
Rey just feels like the same plot device that people accuse Luke of being without any of the bare minimum humanity. It's all either constipated looking frustration at something or other, or she's being nice because the script is asking her to.
Maybe if SHE was more reluctant about the whole thing and Finn be the one that commits more it would make a lot more sense. Finn wants to do right by the people that he wronged while he was a stormtrooper, Rey just wants to figure things out for herself and get answers.
This way Finn gets to learn his own lessons about being too eager to help and Rey learns better about working with people.
But it's always Finn that's being the comic relief that's always holding back on being a hero while Rey doesn't get anything that would compliment her background. She just up and suddenly does things that would feel good if they were details in the later films, but these new movies just blow their damn loads as immediately as possible.
And the entire situation with the empire is a mess that gives me a headache when I think about it so I'm not gonna go in to why I hate how they handled Snoke and Ben here.
So in summary:
Stop trying to make Luke edgy.
Stop making Leia a more geriatric Dumbledore
Stop mixing up all of the character's intended personalities
And for the love of god GIVE Rey a personality.
It is totally fine to not like the movie, but you don't need to exaggerate/lie about what it does. If there's one thing TLJ does, it is provide character development. All of the four new main cast (Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo) get a clear arc in this movie and resolve it neatly with some character growth:
Rey: Learns that her heritage is unimportant and stops trying to find surrogate parents to cling to.
Finn: Gets to see the logical end point of his "I don't want to get involved"-stance and realizes he does not want to become like DJ, thus galvanizing him to take a stand against the First Order.
Poe: Has to face the realization that winning the battle is not winning the war and has to come to terms with following orders and trusting others to do what's right, instead of rushing off to do his own thing.
Kylo: Stops trying to mimic Vader, realizes that Snoke is manipulating him and resolves to reshape the galaxy to his own ideals.
Whether these arcs and plots are any good can be discussed, but they are undoubtedly there.
Well more than anything, Your compiled list, supports my opinion no plots or character development is really moved forward in any meaningful fashion.
Thank You I suppose(?) would be appropriate here.
This movie is fucking racist and nobody is talking about it. It's not racist because the people in charge believe in racist rhetoric, but rather they are so cynical about their audience that they have to write in a minority love interest for the black male lead, just so that a white woman doesn't have to kiss him. Its so fucked up. Disney makes this big show of having Star Wars be all inclusive to all races and genders, but heaven forbid a black man kisses a white woman on the lips. They are all for "equality(tm)", but when it actually matters, a relationship between two people they hit the breaks. Fuck Rian Johnson, the movie is horrible. I am done with Disney Star Wars movies for at least the next five films. Can't believe this hack is getting his own trilogy.
Sorry for for being hyperbolic, but this is an issue that nobody talks about. If they hadn't made this weird half way beginnings of romance between Finn and Rey in TFA, I wouldn't give a fuck. I'm miffed, cause they back pedal and they back pedal HARD in the new movie. In general I found the movie to be unbearable. Lots of neat ideas and cool little moments, but this was the first movie I have seen years that left me so bored that I wanted it to end. Rian is somehow a genius for "deconstructing Star Wars" , but he did such a shitty job of tearing it all down that I no longer care. Congratulations Rian.
Nobody talks about it because it's non-issue. Johnson pretty much boned Abrams on EVERY developing, open ended 'plot' from TFA. Digging for racism in this is schizophrenic (you need to take off your race goggles). It's just one director giving another a finger and saying, nope, you will NOT control my movie. Finn now will have a relationship with that chick I dropped in few hours ago into MY movie. To be honest it's a lost opportunity either way. They could have introduced interspecies romantic relationship, with Twi, Zabrak, Cathar or a Wookie. They literally have entire galaxy of opportunities and they go for human on human shtick yet again.
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