I think that's sort of the point, being a professional victim is how she makes her money and draws attention to her videos. Getting more people made at her will help her in the end.Sea Sponge said:
A petition to black out Steam for an hour
- Thread starter disgruntledgamer
- Start date
I just find the whole "oh no a death threat, whatever shall I do ... I know, i'll tweet about it" a bit silly.
Now this is just getting into conspiracy theory territory.disgruntledgamer said:
Anyways, plenty of people make accounts on sites just to harass and/or troll people, and there's no reason to believe that whoever made the threats didn't do the same. With that in mind, these likely were premeditated threats (after all, the guy went through the trouble of creating an account) and may have had everything planned out from the start.
As for the search bar, when you go to a site, a link remains in your browser history. This would have been a much quicker way to get back to the page rather than going to Twitter, logging in, and then searching for it. This is especially likely when you consider that she probably contacted authorities shortly after seeing the tweets, so the link would have been early in her browser history.
And come on, it isn't like people don't log off of sites when they leave them, and since she can use her browser history to get to the site, there was no point in logging back in before getting the screen capture.
But oh, she decided to post a link to her site and letting people know how they could donate! It was probably because people were asking her how they could support her in light of the situation and answering all of them at once. Really, if we used this "generate sympathy to get money" argument for everything, we might as well accuse TotalBiscuit of faking that he has cancer in order to generate sympathy in an attempt to get more traffic to his channel. Of course that's ridiculous, but the idea that this was just a conspiracy to get donations has no more evidence than accusing TotalBiscuit of faking cancer.
Overall, the evidence is incredibly flimsy.
Does...does the person who created this petition realize that if you get Steam shut down you're only likely going to exacerbate the problem rather than teach people a lesson about not making threats? I'd imagine anyone who already doesn't like Zoe or Anita would likely end up blaming Zoe and Anita for the black out and be even more pissed off at them, thus making them more likely to send moronic rape threats and other forms of harassment.
Oh boy, nice to see that me, among of plenty other totally unrelated people, get affected because some youtube celebrity got some death threats. Yes, it's all terrible and all (if the threats are even worth worrying about), but remind me why me and plenty of other innocent men and women should be punished (because none of us signed or even knew of a petition) when this woman get's a death threat again.
I don't even see how it's supposed to be effective at all. The SOPA blackouts were a bunch of websites volunteering to join in because they realized that a potential piece of U.S. law could negatively affect them (and their viewers) and choose to protest by simulating the effects of SOPA to raise awareness for it. This is an attempt to shut down some totally unrelated gaming platform by a group of supporters of someone of (relative) prominence who had some nasty things said to them (probably the first time in recorded history). Who's going to be affected by this? The people who made the threats in the first place? Possibly. The millions of ignorant and innocent people who use Steam? Most definitely.
I see no good coming of this.
I don't even see how it's supposed to be effective at all. The SOPA blackouts were a bunch of websites volunteering to join in because they realized that a potential piece of U.S. law could negatively affect them (and their viewers) and choose to protest by simulating the effects of SOPA to raise awareness for it. This is an attempt to shut down some totally unrelated gaming platform by a group of supporters of someone of (relative) prominence who had some nasty things said to them (probably the first time in recorded history). Who's going to be affected by this? The people who made the threats in the first place? Possibly. The millions of ignorant and innocent people who use Steam? Most definitely.
I see no good coming of this.
I'm beginning to more and more think these are the end times. Everything is getting so out of control!
And if Critical Miss has taught me anything, it is that Steam going dark leads to the End Times...
Anyways, you want a fake death threat to become a real one? This is how you go about doing it. Fucking with people's personal lives who never game a toss about you or your opponents in the first place is a bad way to try and gain allies.
And if Critical Miss has taught me anything, it is that Steam going dark leads to the End Times...
Anyways, you want a fake death threat to become a real one? This is how you go about doing it. Fucking with people's personal lives who never game a toss about you or your opponents in the first place is a bad way to try and gain allies.
I was going to say something pithy and biting against OP, but I think I'm going to go with this. It's more honest and carefree.Jim Trailerpark said:
Honestly, I have no doubt that the threats were real but this is the internet. Thousands of internet personalities get shit like this every day. Other internet personalities just shrug this shit off (or get very depressed by them) rather than draw attention to it since doing so doesn't actually help them. Sarkeesian draws attention to it since it's actually just helps prove her points.
I'm not saying that she doesn't have any right to call attention to it, I think it's good that she does, but the fact that people are outraged over this one person getting threats when it's pretty common occurrence on the internet seems a little over-dramatic.
Seriously, when you compare this to other popular internet figures who have actually had SWAT teams sent to them as jokes, it seems kind of inconsequential.
NOTE: If the threat she received actually had detailed information in it about where she and her family were, and how the person could get to them, I fully understand taking this a lot more seriously. If this is the case, you can ignore the previous stuff as this isn't the kind of thing that should be taken lightly no matter how unlikely it is that the person would follow through with their threat.
I'm not saying that she doesn't have any right to call attention to it, I think it's good that she does, but the fact that people are outraged over this one person getting threats when it's pretty common occurrence on the internet seems a little over-dramatic.
Seriously, when you compare this to other popular internet figures who have actually had SWAT teams sent to them as jokes, it seems kind of inconsequential.
NOTE: If the threat she received actually had detailed information in it about where she and her family were, and how the person could get to them, I fully understand taking this a lot more seriously. If this is the case, you can ignore the previous stuff as this isn't the kind of thing that should be taken lightly no matter how unlikely it is that the person would follow through with their threat.
Well, my thoughts are that a lot of the negative attention Anita gets is very much "the community policing itself" as the people who are doing so are pretty much trying to shut down a destructive trouble maker.
To be honest unless Anita can actually prove she's been threatened to this level, I'll flat out say she's a liar, given that she's a self promoter and one of the biggest ways to get attention is to play the whole "female in trouble" card and setting herself up as some kind of victim. What's more if she manufactures some kind of alleged threat, she can make herself seem that much more impressive, and use it to deflect criticisms about why she does things like disable comments on her videos and so on.
Basically if Anita actually had proof it's likely she'd be on the phone with the police, not on twitter. Things like "stalking" and threats are a big deal nowadays. Of course she won't do that because she knows the police will find nothing, or evidence manufactured by her. Furthermore even if they do find something, the police will probably tell her that she needs to stop stirring up trouble on The Internet for her own safety, and at the end of the day that's something she won't do, since the bottom line is all the attention.
Plus let's be honest here, Anita is a big mouth on The Internet who has slotted off a lot of people on social media, and really she knew what response she was going to get, and has been intentionally baiting it. She's not a major celebrity or anything, and isn't exactly swarming with personal security or anything, truth is if someone actually wanted to rape or kill Anita over this stuff, she'd already be a statistic. At the end of the day, she's just not that big a deal, outside a specific group of people (albeit a fairly big one) and is mostly notorious because of the negative effects she could have on things like video games. It's not like she's addressing serious enough social issues where she's going to make the kinds of enemies likely to actually attack her.... of course by pretending she's scared of this due to "convincing threats" she can promote herself as being that important as part of her entire schtick.
I think the odds of big companies taking action in favor of Anita are minimal, she's just not that big, and if you know who she is, you know she's hated by as many, or more, people than seem to agree with her, so doing anything in her name is likely to cost you as many customers as it is to gain you some. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if a company like Valve has it's employees heavily divided on the whole "Anita question" if they even know who she is in more than a general sense.
At any rate, I'll sort of call it now, though I hope I'm wrong. Eventually when she feels she needs a boost of notoriety Anita is going to stage an attack on herself (perhaps even letting herself be injured, or self-inflicting injuries) or claim to be have been raped by a hater, in a situation that will remain highly debatable, and where no culprit will likely ever be apprehended and/or convicted.
To be honest unless Anita can actually prove she's been threatened to this level, I'll flat out say she's a liar, given that she's a self promoter and one of the biggest ways to get attention is to play the whole "female in trouble" card and setting herself up as some kind of victim. What's more if she manufactures some kind of alleged threat, she can make herself seem that much more impressive, and use it to deflect criticisms about why she does things like disable comments on her videos and so on.
Basically if Anita actually had proof it's likely she'd be on the phone with the police, not on twitter. Things like "stalking" and threats are a big deal nowadays. Of course she won't do that because she knows the police will find nothing, or evidence manufactured by her. Furthermore even if they do find something, the police will probably tell her that she needs to stop stirring up trouble on The Internet for her own safety, and at the end of the day that's something she won't do, since the bottom line is all the attention.
Plus let's be honest here, Anita is a big mouth on The Internet who has slotted off a lot of people on social media, and really she knew what response she was going to get, and has been intentionally baiting it. She's not a major celebrity or anything, and isn't exactly swarming with personal security or anything, truth is if someone actually wanted to rape or kill Anita over this stuff, she'd already be a statistic. At the end of the day, she's just not that big a deal, outside a specific group of people (albeit a fairly big one) and is mostly notorious because of the negative effects she could have on things like video games. It's not like she's addressing serious enough social issues where she's going to make the kinds of enemies likely to actually attack her.... of course by pretending she's scared of this due to "convincing threats" she can promote herself as being that important as part of her entire schtick.
I think the odds of big companies taking action in favor of Anita are minimal, she's just not that big, and if you know who she is, you know she's hated by as many, or more, people than seem to agree with her, so doing anything in her name is likely to cost you as many customers as it is to gain you some. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if a company like Valve has it's employees heavily divided on the whole "Anita question" if they even know who she is in more than a general sense.
At any rate, I'll sort of call it now, though I hope I'm wrong. Eventually when she feels she needs a boost of notoriety Anita is going to stage an attack on herself (perhaps even letting herself be injured, or self-inflicting injuries) or claim to be have been raped by a hater, in a situation that will remain highly debatable, and where no culprit will likely ever be apprehended and/or convicted.
When a persons values become warped enough, what seems right to them would appear as simple madness to someone else.AccursedTheory said:
Or they could be doing it for attention. Given the context both are equally likely.
Either way, this SJW crap needs to draw a line somewhere.
So... what? They're trying to black out Steam to combat sexism? By pissing off millions of people? By forcing dozens of e-sports organisers to reschedule? The economic damage caused to them alone will be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not cancel smaller events entirely because of scheduling conflicts. How the hell is that going to achieve anything positive whatsoever?
Well, maybe the gaming industry doesn't want to change. And the feminists who constantly want change maybe should back off and allow the gaming industry to make it's own choices. If we want to continue to have AAA games mistreat woman in a symbolic way, that's our choice. This isn't real life. Feminists need to realize that gaming culture that started with the arcades shouldn't have to change their views now. You sure as hell didn't care about us viewing woman the way we do 20-30 years ago when we were trash talking playing SF or MK in the arcades. No reason, absolutely no reason why now you immediately start whining and moaning about gender equality now in gaming culture. You adapt to the culture you want to join, the culture doesn't adapt to you.
And anyone thinks otherwise hasn't been in competitive gaming communities for very long. Only times opinions matter is when you have the skills to back them up.
And anyone thinks otherwise hasn't been in competitive gaming communities for very long. Only times opinions matter is when you have the skills to back them up.
Honestly, if I were going to hypothetically do something less than legal like issuing death threats to a person, I probably would go to a public terminal, set up a dummy account, set up what it would send, then send them and get out. Which happens to explain away most of those supposed anomalies.disgruntledgamer said:
*clicks link*
4000 views.
Some random person wants to start a petition, which hasn't taken off. Maybe if they'd had like 1 million + views and everyone was talking about it THEN maybe it'd be worth talking about.
Because really, we shouldn't feel the need to discuss every little opinion we come across.
4000 views.
Some random person wants to start a petition, which hasn't taken off. Maybe if they'd had like 1 million + views and everyone was talking about it THEN maybe it'd be worth talking about.
Because really, we shouldn't feel the need to discuss every little opinion we come across.
Can we stop giving the attention whores the attention that they so crave? Let them fade into obscurity, and enjoy a world that is ever so slightly better.
Oh look, someone made another stupid and/or kneejerk petition on the internet. Does a day go by where this doesn't happen?
Seriously, if you ever want a laugh, go check out the petitions people have submitted to the White House's webpage. Here's a few selections from today:
-Denounce 'Anti-Racist Hitler'
-Require for Go-Pros to be placed on every[sic] and all police officers
-Mandate all Freight-Trains have two person crews
-Make "Phantom of the Opera" backlot 28 a national landmark.
Seriously, if you ever want a laugh, go check out the petitions people have submitted to the White House's webpage. Here's a few selections from today:
-Denounce 'Anti-Racist Hitler'
-Require for Go-Pros to be placed on every[sic] and all police officers
-Mandate all Freight-Trains have two person crews
-Make "Phantom of the Opera" backlot 28 a national landmark.
Are you really surprised?xaszatm said:
If Anita was found raped and murdered there would only be about a four minute pause before someone on the internet accused her of faking it or doing it to herself and complaining about teh evul Ess Jay Dubyas.
If that's the case, it means we think threatening to rape and kill someone whose personal info we know is okay, as is threatening to then kill their parents. As is sending a swat team to someone's house because they beat us at Halo.Artaneius said: