A petition to black out Steam for an hour

Jul 13, 2010
504
0
0
phoenixlink said:
There can never be a " true " equality we can have something close but there will never be a true. as there are things both physical and social that prevent a true equality from ever existing.

There are things that women will inherently have strengths and weakness in just as there are with men.

We can achieve limited social equality but this will never be enough for some extremists on both ends will always fight for the unobtainable.

and yes we have seen many many male activists recently that take the abuse and say can you see what wrong with what your doing.

compared to being DID trope as certain other have
Of course there can be true social equality, when people stop looking it as an attempt to consolidate two very different groups, and rather as it actually is, an attempt to demonstrate there are no groups. Women and men have a few biological specialisations, sure, but that does not translate in to men somehow being more competent feminists or either group being better at any sort of intellectual exercise. The human mind is not so simplistic that major intellectual differences would be drawn down gender lines. Let's say, for example, that Anita Sarkeesian is not actually a very effective feminist, is that because there is something inherently missing in all women, or is it more likely got to do with the people and things Sarkeesian was exposed through her life? Who raised her, who were her heroes, who did she detest, what did study or read, etc are all much insightful things to look at in understanding her take feminism, as opposed to just going, 'she's failing because she's woman'
 

loa

New member
Jan 28, 2012
1,716
0
0
Why is this a 10 minute video with only a screenshot as its content?
Would it have killed you if you had just posted a picture?
 

Ticklefist

New member
Jul 19, 2010
487
0
0
Why would anyone that doesn't agree with this woman's views even look at her twitter feed? Pathetic.
 

Madame_Lawliet

New member
Jul 16, 2013
319
0
0
disgruntledgamer said:
there is a good chance she might of done it to her self
Wow, going straight for the victim blaming angle huh? Great way to get people to see your side of the issue pal.

disgruntledgamer said:
and everyone of SJW threatening claims have turned out to be false!
I could site the literally hundreds of examples of so-called "SJWs" experiencing very real death threats, rape threats, threats of violence, you name it that have accumulated over the last couple years that have been verified, but I know I'd just be wasting my breath.

OT: I already signed it earlier today.

Will Valve actually do it? Probably not. But if something like this gets a significant level of support then Valve will see there's some necessary dialogue to be had in combating the cancer that is the unrepentant hatred and misogyny consuming a disturbing amount of "gamer" culture.
We need someone like Valve, someone gamers love and admire, to put their foot down and take a stand against sexism in the gaming community, because that's how we drive the message home. It's one thing for these neanderthal MRA dickbags to say they're going to stop supporting Tim Schafer or William Gibson, but Valve? They worship Valve! That's about the only bridge they will refuse to burn, that's gonna sting for them, maybe it'll be the wake up call this community needs.

Reality: Feminist criticism is here to stay, just like it is in every other form of artistic media in human history, and it's not going anywhere, and you can either accept that fact or fall to the wayside as the industry evolves without you.

Wanna call me a "Social Justice Warrior," or whatever the hell that means? Go ahead, you wouldn't be the first.
 

Evonisia

Your sinner, in secret
Jun 24, 2013
3,257
0
0
Yes slightly punishing a huge segment of gamers because a few said (horrible) things. I'm sorry, what would this blackout achieve? Even if Valve took it remotely seriously?
 

Sea Sponge

New member
Aug 28, 2014
50
0
0
uro vii said:
as opposed to just going, 'she's failing because she's woman'
The thing is there are quite a few people that aren't saying she is "failing because she's a woman".

To be perfectly honest I see more people saying she's "failing" because she's an idiot than I do saying it's because she's female.
 

Mad World

Member
Legacy
Sep 18, 2009
795
0
1
Country
Canada
AccursedTheory said:
For fucks sake.

Let's, for a minute, ignore the fact that people are asking for Valve, a company that has done absolutely nothing wrong, to shut down their business for an hour, for the fault of others.

Let's forget about that potential lawsuit Valve could have leveled at them for intentionally denying game access to their customers (Whether the lawsuit would be successful or not).

Let's gloss over how attempting to strong arm a company into emulating the SOPA outages is not the same as companies volunteering and working together towards a particular goal that is not only right for the public, but for their personal and financial benefit.

Lets just let that all go for a minute and ask one question:

Why does anyone think that because a few dumb, impotent internet hornets stung you, that setting fire to the hornet nest where millions of hornets that have no interest in coming after you live is a good idea?

This phrase may be terrible to say, but I think it applies: Why are you asking for it?
A lot of people lack logic and reasoning. That's why.

I agree with you; it's a stupid idea.
 

likalaruku

New member
Nov 29, 2008
4,290
0
0
Black out unrelated program to protest anger against person who doesn't use program to advertise show?

Youtube would have at least made a little sense.
 
Jul 13, 2010
504
0
0
Sea Sponge said:
The thing is there are quite a few people that aren't saying she is "failing because she's a woman".

To be perfectly honest I see more people saying she's "failing" because she's an idiot than I do saying it's because she's female.
I never contradicted that point, I was specifically addressing another poster who said:
"If a man made the same claims about Tropes vs women tries to raise. He would suffer large amounts of abuse. But maybe just maybe he would endure through it and say to his critics see this is whats wrong."

The_Kodu said:
The funny thing is statements like

are pretty common and allowed to go unchallenged in SJW circles.
While I agree that misandry is no better than misogyny, the context of the two makes them very different. There are no real men's social rights issues that misandry is representative of, there's no chance of a misandric statement or action contributing to a greater mindset of male oppression. On the other hand, there is a real problem with misogyny within many societies around the world, and I see no issue with people wanting to deal with actual problems before they get onto the hurt feelings.
 

cypher-raige

New member
Apr 15, 2014
67
0
0
uro vii said:
While I agree that misandry is no better than misogyny, the context of the two makes them very different. There are no real men's social rights issues that misandry is representative of, there's no chance of a misandric statement or action contributing to a greater mindset of male oppression. On the other hand, there is a real problem with misogyny within many societies around the world, and I see no issue with people wanting to deal with actual problems before they get onto the hurt feelings.
Most of them aren't doing anything to help women in societies around the world. Other than posting slacktivist hashtags.
 
Jul 13, 2010
504
0
0
cypher-raige said:
Most of them aren't doing anything to help women in societies around the world. Other than posting slacktivist hashtags.
I don't doubt that, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with the lack of interest in going after misandry.
 
Jul 13, 2010
504
0
0
The_Kodu said:
Except it makes a cause claiming to fight for equal rights look extremely biased and stupid when these are some of those going unchallenged in it. Or worse flippantly not caring about equal rights at all.
I'll just quote my statement that you ignored here:

uro vii said:
While I agree that misandry is no better than misogyny, the context of the two makes them very different. There are no real men's social rights issues that misandry is representative of, there's no chance of a misandric statement or action contributing to a greater mindset of male oppression. On the other hand, there is a real problem with misogyny within many societies around the world, and I see no issue with people wanting to deal with actual problems before they get onto the hurt feelings.
And misandry and feminism are not the same thing, nor is there some big united feminist group. Feminists have no obligation to go after every other feminist or pro-female voice that they disagree with.
 

Madame_Lawliet

New member
Jul 16, 2013
319
0
0
The_Kodu said:
Snippity Snip Snip
Okay first off, as someone who's been on Tumblr for well over three years and been in plenty of what you might call "SJW" circles, I can promise you that posts like that do not go unchallenged and are not all that common.
Infact the only time I've actually seen posts that say anything like that are in compilation meta posts about the "epidemic of SJWs on Tumblr" and half of them are usually proven to be trolls, jokes, or heavily contextual.
And even if they weren't, chances are they're just someone venting frustrations on their personal blog, directed at nobody and effecting you in precisely zero ways.

Also, "facilitate their Agenda?" The hell do you think her "agenda" is? Attention? Why would anyone want the kind of bile she's had thrown at her? Money? If she wanted to take the money and run she could have but she didn't. This is a big part of why I hate conspiracy theorists, they always think there's a man behind the curtain, an illuminati pulling the strings, and they do these mental gymnastics to make everything about some kind of damned biased agenda.
The way I see it, her videos seem to be a simple feminism 101 course in the context of some tropes commonly found in video games; which, lets be real here, have no shortage of fruit ripe for the plucking.
Have I agreed with everything she's ever said? Hell no, but I can respect what she's trying to do and holy hell did she not deserve all the threats and harassment she's gotten, there's nothing she could have said that would have made that okay. Nothing

And yeah, assholes on the internet are always going to be assholes on the internet, but I think It's the principle of the thing for me. It seems like the "gaming community" is really quick to toss the dreaded "SJW" label at anything that shows the slightest hint of wanting to make this medium more inclusionary as a catch-all way of othering them, people are calling Tim Scafer an "SJW" because he had the audacity to share a video. Imagine what would happen if Valve was suddenly branded an "SJW" company for something like this, the hell are they gonna do? Uninstall Steam and lose their 500 game back catalogs? They're trapped! They'd have to change tactics at very least, maybe someone'll think "gee, even Valve is onboard with this, maybe the gaming community is seriously messed up after all," it has the potential to be a pivotal point in the evolution of the gaming community in the best case scenario, and even in a worst case scenario it still raises awareness so that's a plus.
Oh and, this isn't about someone being mean on the internet, it's about a mindset born on the internet spilling into the real world, resulting in no less then two women being forced into hiding following personal death/rape threats, I don't think I really need to explain the difference in situational gravity here.
 

Schadrach

Elite Member
Legacy
Mar 20, 2010
1,977
348
88
Country
US
RJ 17 said:
Does...does the person who created this petition realize that if you get Steam shut down you're only likely going to exacerbate the problem rather than teach people a lesson about not making threats? I'd imagine anyone who already doesn't like Zoe or Anita would likely end up blaming Zoe and Anita for the black out and be even more pissed off at them, thus making them more likely to send moronic rape threats and other forms of harassment.
There's a part of me that almost wants them to succeed, because they *really* don't grasp what the reaction to "Steam was shut down, because SJW feminists don't want people to treat them like Jack Thompson was treated back in the day" would be.

Hint: It's hard to say you don't want to take away people's games, when your response to online threats is to try to take away people's games. That's not how you get support. In fact, a Steam blackout is how you get the opposite of support for, well, *anything*.
 

generals3

New member
Mar 25, 2009
1,198
0
0
This demand is absurd and is actually doing all but help their cause. If anything it's the kind of demand that makes their fiercest opponents go "see i told you they are idiots".