A PRACTICAL STUDY ON MEATBAG SUBJUGATION

[GeorgW]

Or have the bowman soften up the camp, and try to finish it off with the warrior?

I usually go for this option. Since we have honor, we get culture for every barbarian killed, so to get rid of them as fast as possible, and also level the troops, seems like a good idea. Keep in mind to damage the primitives with the archer before going in with the warrior, since they get weaker when they're damaged.

 

[gigastar]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

 

[Kross]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

Apparently if you hit enough of that bonus, you can get mechanized infantry [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanized_infantry_%28Civ5%29] or the units leading up to it really early. Though usually the only way to do that is save and reload until you get the right bonus.

 

[GeorgW]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 150 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

 

[gigastar]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

Apparently if you hit enough of that bonus, you can get mechanized infantry [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanized_infantry_%28Civ5%29] or the units leading up to it really early. Though usually the only way to do that is save and reload until you get the right bonus.

Is there anything save scumming cant accomplish?

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 10 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

Ill do that, if i get bored with the upcoming TF2 update.

 

[GeorgW]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

Apparently if you hit enough of that bonus, you can get mechanized infantry [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanized_infantry_%28Civ5%29] or the units leading up to it really early. Though usually the only way to do that is save and reload until you get the right bonus.

Is there anything save scumming cant accomplish?

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 10 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

Ill do that, if i get bored with the upcoming TF2 update.

Oops, just wanted to let you know that my 5 key messed up, and the demo is far lengthier than my original comment indicated.

 

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Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 150 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

You can't do that anymore in Civ 5 GnK though. In Vanilla, if you manage to pop two ruins with weapons using your warrior within 10 turns, you have a Rifleman that can ravage everyone around you. In GnK, IIRC, you can only get one unit upgrade for if a unit pops a ruin (he won't get upgraded through ruins again).

Babylon needs to go Tall in order to make the most of their unique ability. They can get scientists faster than anyone else, meaning they need science specialists, which requires a lot of population if you don't want to cripple your cities. This is also why you need to get Writing ASAP. Free scientist to settle is +8 science quite early on (+10 later on). That bonus quite early on will give you a MASSIVE advantage at that difficulty.

If you want a wide science game, go for the Mayans.

 

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TURNS 20-22 - FIRST... AND SECOND... BLOOD

ONE APOLOGIZES FOR LATENCY IN REPORTS. THE TASTE OF VICTORY IS... EXHILIRATING.

RESEARCH INTO RUNIC TECHIQUES IS NOW WELL UNDERWAY.

Spoiler: A CAMP, A STATE, AND A THREAT

BARBARIANS SIGHTED DIGGING IN TO THE WEST. SUCH BOLDNESS WILL SOON BE PUNISHED.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/camp.jpg]

TO THE COLD NORTH, ANOTHER PAWN IS UNCOVERED

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/bucharest.jpg]

WARNING PRAGMA INITIATED

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/threats.jpg]
IMPUDENT ROBED ONE. YOU DARE INTERFERE WITH THE GRAND VISION?

Spoiler: DEATH RAINS DOWN

PROBABILITY CONVERGES UPON YOUR DEMISE

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/pew1.jpg]

AMIDST A HAIL OF DOOM, OUR WARRIOR ENRAGES - SHRUGGING OFF ALL PAIN IN A LUST FOR BATTLE

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/pew2.jpg]

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/pew3.jpg]

DELICIOUS.

Spoiler: BELIEF IN PROGRESS

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/spain.jpg]
ONE HAS MANY BELIEFS. MANY THAT YOU WILL SOON SHARE.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/build.jpg]
SETTLEMENT IS PREPARED TO DEPLOY, PLEASE DIRECT PRODUCTION EFFORTS. ONE BELIEVES SETTLEMENT DESIGNATION LOXEMBERG MAY DERIVE MANY BENEFITS FROM ABUNDANT SUPPLY OF GRAINS. POSSIBLY NOT AS MANY AS A LONG OVERDUE MONUMENT TO ONESELF.

LOXEMBERG CITIZENRY RE-ALLOCATED TO COMESTIBLES.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/settler.jpg]

OUR PROJECTIONS HAVE DETERMINED A SUITABLE LOCATION TO HARNESS RESOURCES INDIGENOUS TO SINAI SECTOR.

Spoiler: DISTRESS! SAVAGES!

BARBIANS INFESTING PRODUCTION FACILITIES

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/worker.jpg]

STANDBY GUARDIANS ACTIVATED. CITY DEFENSE SYSTEMS ONLINE. BALLISTIC PROJECTIONS VERIFIED.
FIRE.
FIRE.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/bowman.jpg]
ADDITIONAL SALVO REQUIRED. DEFENSIVE AI DECLARES THREAT MINIMIZED - WITH 99.782% CHANCE OF TOTAL ELIMINATION WITHIN THE CYCLE.

Spoiler: KNOWN ACTIONS

SCOUT
|_C[small]ONTINUING NORTH EAST EXPLORATIONS[/small]

WARRIOR AND BOWMAN
|_D[small]EALING WITH REMAINING BRUTE[/small]
|__D[small]ETERMINE MOVEMENT AFTER THREAT ELIMINATION[/small]

PRODUCTION
|_W[small]HAT SHALL WE CREATE NEXT[/small]

SETTLER
|_A[small] HOME AWAY FROM HOME[/small]

LOXEMBERG PURCHASE
|_F[small]UNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE SHRINE IMPROVEMENT. THIS WILL CONSUME MAJORITY OF CURRENCY IN EXCHANGE FOR ENABLING IMPLEMENTATION OF FAITH PROTOCOLS [CURRENTLY 2 UNITS FROM THRESHOLD][/small]

PLEASE REQUEST ADDITIONAL SITUATION REPORTS AS NECESSARY

[small]"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, preserved their neutrality." -- Dante[/small]

 

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You will need a military unit to get back that worker to the cause. Either return the warrior and bowman or train/purchase a new one. Granaries for more food (meatbags getting busier still). Settler on the tile SE (on the oasis) of the natural wonder (Mt. Sinai I believe), and get Desert Folklore Pantheon if able.

 

[Sanat]

The Settlers may translate their position south and to the west, so that they may further the potentiality for dominion to lands beyond the mountain range, particularly over known local equine populations.

Warrior may translate south and east after eliminating potential barbaric threats to the latest population furtherance, potentially to investigate further into the unknown.

Loxemberg may initiate production of one worker-class citizen unit.

 

[Kross]

You will need a military unit to get back that worker to the cause. Either return the warrior and bowman or train/purchase a new one. Granaries for more food (meatbags getting busier still). Settler on the tile SE (on the oasis) of the natural wonder (Mt. Sinai I believe), and get Desert Folklore Pantheon if able.

I believe the city purchased a bowman that can run out to reclaim the worker. Also, I'm not positive, but isn't there a production bonus for settling on a hill?

 

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You will need a military unit to get back that worker to the cause. Either return the warrior and bowman or train/purchase a new one. Granaries for more food (meatbags getting busier still). Settler on the tile SE (on the oasis) of the natural wonder (Mt. Sinai I believe), and get Desert Folklore Pantheon if able.

I believe the city purchased a bowman that can run out to reclaim the worker. Also, I'm not positive, but isn't there a production bonus for settling on a hill?

Settling on the tile East of the Natural wonder is also good. Not necessarily a bonus, but the city gets the properties of the tile it settled on. If you settle on a hill, the city will get +2 production. I was just going by the minimum city distance. Man, if you could get a Petra (Wonder from Currency) there, it would become quite a monster city. It would probably even grow more than your capital. Plus it's next to a mountain, (Mount Sinai), so you can desecrate it by building an Observatory later on for more Science!

 

[Kross]

Settling on the tile East of the Natural wonder is also good. Not necessarily a bonus, but the city gets the properties of the tile it settled on. If you settle on a hill, the city will get +2 production. I was just going by the minimum city distance. Man, if you could get a Petra (Wonder from Currency) there, it would become quite a monster city. It would probably even grow more than your capital. Plus it's next to a mountain, (Mount Sinai), so you can desecrate it by building an Observatory later on for more Science!

Oh fancy!

Also note, the tile selected in the screenshot is within 3 (max workable distance) hexes of the cows to the south and the sheep to the northwest, along with the areas (oasis tiles primarily) around the mountain. The tile directly west of the mountain would be able to reach the silver up north though...

Edit: Just read up on the Observatory [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Observatory_%28Civ5%29] - that spot to the west of the mountain can hit the silver up north and build an Observatory later. Could run the Great Scientist from Writing down here for his build as well.

 

[GeorgW]

Wow, lots of stuff happening.
I'd say settle to the west of the wonder (make sure to protect it with the archer), purchase a shrine, start construction on granary, disembark the archer to be able to attack with it against the primitives while still being protected by the city (may want to kill the barbarian before settling).

 

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TURN 23 - DON'T RUN

ALERT CONDITION REDUCED TO BRAVO. THREAT ELIMINATED. WORKER HAS BEEN RECOVERED.
WARRIOR HAS RECIEVED A GRIEVOUS BLOW FROM SAVAGES. IN A SHOW OF CONTEMPT, OUR COMBATANTS DEPLOY FORTIFICATIONS AND BEGIN RAPIDLY DEPLETING THE FORMER BARBARIAN ENCAMPMENT'S SUPPLY OF MEAD. OVERWATCH IS INBOUND.

SETTLMENT FORCE BEGINS THE LONG JOURNEY TO A DISTANT MOUNTAIN.

Spoiler: WOULDN'T IT BE EASIER IF YOU BELONGED TO US

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t23/zurich.jpg] PLEASE SIGN PROTECTION AGREEMENT FORM 31-B-476-TC916

ONE OF US

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t23/policies.jpg]

ONE OF US

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t23/build.jpg]

Spoiler: STATUS AND KNOWN ACTIONS

WARRIOR
|_F[small]ORTIFYING AND RECOVERING HEALTH, ADJACENT TO BARBARIAN[/small]
SUPERSCOUT
|_E[small]N-ROUTE TO DEFEND WARRIOR[/small]
LOXEMBERG BOWMAN
|_O[small]UTBOUND TO REMOVE WESTERN CAMP THREAT AS PER LOXEMBERG DEFENSIVE ROUTINES[/small]
SETTLER
|_H[small]EADED TOWARDS TILE WEST OF LOCATION SINAI - NEARBY QUADRANTS APPEAR CLEAR[/small]
NORTHERN SCOUT
|_S[small]EEMS TO BE NEAR SOME FORM OF ICE CAP, ARE WE AT THE NORTHERN EDGE OF OUR LANDMASS?[/small]

POLICIES
|_P[small]LEASE SELECT NEW POLICY[/small]
[small][sub]CITIZENSHIP GUARANTEES SERVICE[/sub][/small]

[small]The meek don't want it.[/small]

 

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You'll need that second worker as fast as possible to get that second city up and running. Focus on food, so you can get your population up so you can work the mountain.

 

[GeorgW]

Regarding policies, I'd say go for workers, you're in short supply at the moment, even though that settler later on does look tasty. How much money have you got, enough for a worker? Other than that, continue as planned.

 

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On another note, make sure that once you do get to Robots, they aren't really that game-breaking. They don't one-shot cities the way they did in Vanilla. In my current game, I went for a one-city "challenge" tall game with the Aztecs. My one city got to 42 people at around turn 300 or so. I got robots at around turn 340+, and they aren't that great for leveling cities (even if they have +15% combat strength and comes out at level 3 out of the gate). Make sure you have siege weapons to take cities and provide ranged cover.

After I clean up the world of my enemies and send a space ship to Alpha Centauri, I'll backstab my best friend in order to become supreme ruler of all creation!

 

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TURN 25 - WORK WORK WORK

Spoiler: THAT SURE IS A NICE WORKER YOU HAVE THERE

IT SEEMS WE'RE ALL RUNNING RECRUITMENT DRIVES THIS WEEK

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t25/scout.jpg]

PERHAPS, WITH PROPER ENCOURAGEMENT, THE SAVAGES WILL HELP RETRIEVE THE WORKER

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t25/barb.jpg]

WONDERFUL NEWS! STANDARDIZED TESTING INDICATES YOU ARE WELL SUITED TO MANUAL LABOR AND DOING WHAT YOU'RE TOLD!

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t25/worker.jpg]

Spoiler: PRIMITIVE TOOLS ARE INHIBITING EXPANSION

ONE FORSEES IMPENDING LOGISTICAL ISSUES - PLEASE ALLOCATE APPROPRIATE RESEARCH EFFORTS

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t25/tech.jpg]

EDUCATIONAL UNIT ANALYSIS HAS DISCOVERED A GENIUS LEVEL INTELLIGENCE AMONG THE POPULACE. THE MEATBAG DESIGNATION 'CHARLES DARWIN' DEMANDS A FACILITY TO EXPLORE HIS THEORIES. ONLY AVAILABLE TERRAIN IS INHABITED BY LARGE IVORY ADORNED MEATBAGS.

Spoiler: STATUS AND KNOWN ACTIONS

SOUTHERN WARRIOR
|_S[small]TILL SUFFERING MINOR DAMAGE - EN-ROUTE TO LOXEMBERG FOR DOMESTIC SECURITY[/small]
BOW SCOUT
|_H[small]AS ELIMINATED SOUTHERN SAVAGE THREATS, CONTINUING EXPLORATIONS[/small]
NORTHERN SCOUT
|_C[small]ONTINUES TOWARDS EASTERN EXPLORATIONS[/small]
LOXEMBERG BOWMAN
|_W[small]ILL COMMENCE BOMBARDMENT OF WESTERN CAMP SHORTLY[/small]

TECH
|_P[small]LEASE SELECT NEW RESEARCH. BASIC LOGISTICS ROUTINES INDICATE A HEAVY PREFERENCE TOWARDS REFINING MINING TECHNIQUES[/small]

[small]Leave no stone unturned. -- Euripides[/small]

 

[GeorgW]

Regarding tech, I advice to go for trapping. Ivory would make the meatbags happy and give us valuable trading items in the future. Mining can wait. How long until the settler arrives at its destination?