A Question about Porn [Adults Only?]

[Dags90]

If he'd have said "to a woman" I think you'd have had a point. As it is you're just making a rather pointless distinction. In fact, "a man doing it with a woman" is exactly the same as "a woman doing it with a man" which are both exactly the same as "a man and a woman doing it together".

The last part about "just watching another bloke have sex" tipped it for me. No mention of the woman? The OP seems to be going out of his way to marginalize the role of the woman. It could be a simple format slip up, but in general our culture marginalizes the role women play in sex, so I assume it's that.

 

[Woodsey]

If he'd have said "to a woman" I think you'd have had a point. As it is you're just making a rather pointless distinction. In fact, "a man doing it with a woman" is exactly the same as "a woman doing it with a man" which are both exactly the same as "a man and a woman doing it together".

The last part about "just watching another bloke have sex" tipped it for me. No mention of the woman? The OP seems to be going out of his way to marginalize the role of the woman. It could be a simple format slip up, but in general our culture marginalizes the role women play in sex, so I assume it's that.

Alright, stop fucking with me. The entire bloody post is about having more woo-man and less sausage-sorcerer.

 

[Shraggler]

I've brought this up in social circles when I've related love scenes in movies to this type of porn.

I don't know why porn does this. I don't partake in watching/looking at porn as consistently as I used to, so I'm not sure if the trend has remained. A few friends in high school preferred (at one time) heterosexual sex between a male "performer" and a female "performer" - most of which was shot in the mentioned manner (OP). I've never been given a clear answer as to why.

Another friend of mine put it this way, "Why would you want to watch some guy doing what you want to do [regarding sexual intercourse]?"

That's pretty much what I concluded as well. I find heterosexual porn more funny than anything else. It's so incredibly fake: there's tons of shots of the guy just loving his life, ramming and pounding away, as focused as a sniper like he's doing something that requires massive amounts of skill and attention (you know, as opposed to being an inherent instinctual behavior/act). There's tons of shots of the gal just taking it like a champ, but wincing like she's thinking 'maybe this wasn't a good idea...', and it becomes uncomfortable for you, as the viewer, because you get the feeling that maybe something is wrong. There's always a weird, tilted, stylized zoom-in to the guy's face when he's about to release and he looks like he's going to have a stroke - as if what he's feeling is just so amazing and nigh impossible to achieve, and he's never felt anything like it before!

Everything is overemphasized and exaggerated to a comedic level. I don't get the appeal. As the OP stated, it's clear that they're targeting heterosexual males. For the better part of the last 40 years, that's been the target demographic and verifiably the largest consumers. So why on Earth do the producers/directors/camera crew feel as if the consumer would want to see a guy's anything during the video/scene? I can understand the reason for seeing parts of someone, sure. It takes two to tango and it's unreasonable to expect the male to be completely out of the picture, but it's a far cry from being the anonymous penis in the video to camera-hugging the guy's face and abdominal/groin region and changing the point of view of the entire movie entirely.

I do find it funny though. Both the over emphasis and the fact that my peers, save for one or two, would be completely transfixed and enthralled with what was happening on screen. Whatever, each to their own.

 

[FilipJPhry]

When I watch porn, it's usually in POV of the guy. Now if they added 3D glasses.....

 

[SnakeoilSage]

Our generation has watched more people having sex than experienced it ourselves. What does that say about us?

True, but when more teenagers watch porn, than adults do, it's quite obvious. I'd prefer to watch porn than to have sex underage...I'm not 15...
I have to admit, watching porn like that gets awkward at those parts, but just watch lesbian

I'd just as soon the underage kids find something better to do with their time than paint themselves into a corner. The less they feel compelled to puruse sex the better. Seriously, we were all sixteen and looking back, a relatively small percentage of us were so controlled by our horemones that we had to go out and have sex with the first reasonably healthy thing we met. Most of us. Everyone frets about sex but I think reverse psychology is a better deterrent in this situation. Let them figure out how mind-blowingly fantastic sex is when they can afford it. Either by buying it or taking care of the long-term investments that come afterward, i.e. child rearing.

Our generation has watched more people having sex than experienced it ourselves. What does that say about us?

It says we've grown up with internet access and haven't been tricked into thinking that having a wank is evil. That's about it.

OT: Lesbian porn, problem solved.

Oh let's not go on that tangent, shall we? That whole "masturbation is evil" thing is about as tired as Hitler meme and I doubt the majority of us here grew up getting that kind of ridiculous finger wagging from our parents. We all know what galloping hypocrites they are about it and we knew it when we were fourteen. Let's stop pretending they're still shouting that particlar mantra from the church belltowers.

My point is that what sort of health habits or good ideas are we taking from the widespread of porn on the internet? I'm not talking about some big churchy reason about going to hell for not wearing a rubber, I'm talking about health relationhips, bedroom etiquette, that kind of thing. Who's to tell some dipswitch kid that smacking his girlfriend in the face with his penis isn't sexy? Yeah, 9/10 of us will come away from that kind of sight shaking our heads at how stupid porn is. But there'll be at least one kid who watches all the bad and nasty habits performed in porn and think he's gonna run out, get a girlfriend, spit on his manhod and try to anal her. And if she's not into that kind of thing, it'll get him in trouble. And he'll get frustrated because he doesn't get why, and then they'll turn into some kind of eff'ed up perv that thinks that much less about women and then he's the one doing those videos where he's trying to make a woman puke by jamming his erection down her throat.

So, take a poll and find out how many women actually enjoy that. Yeah.

It seems that just 'cause we can put porn on the Internet, it's like we have to, and the more people get desensitized to it the more they look for weirder, unhealthier crap to watch just to get it up.

Like it or not, sex is not a public thing. Yeah, we all do it, because that's the natural thing. But sex is an intimate act, one that should involve a great deal more consideration and trust than porn implies.

 

[Dags90]

Alright, stop fucking with me. The entire bloody post is about having more woo-man and less sausage-sorcerer.

My point is that, from this male-centered view, it makes sense to visually focus on male performers. If conceptually men are the active participant, you're going to show more of them because they're the ones doing something.

 

[Epicspoon]

Yeah, It's like role playing. You are the guy! I personally don't see it.
There is such a thing as lesbian porn.

It doesn't bother me as long as the dude isn't some ugly fuck with a porn stache, but I'm assuming you don't like it because seeing their face and hearing them talk makes it harder to imagine the guy as you right? I feel you.

 

[AngloDoom]

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From my perspective, it's because I need someone to pretend is me. That's why when I look at porn it has to be white males, who's face I don't see often, with little hair, no tattoos, and a penis that isn't shaped like a boomerang or small - of course, a larger penis than mine is all part of the fantasy moment I suppose.

So yeah, lesbian porn just doesn't do it for me: though I have no idea why the close-ups of the guy's face. I guess it might be an even more exaggerate form of what I do: so people can see just how much the guy is liking it and then get turned on by that?

 

[Woodsey]

Alright, stop fucking with me. The entire bloody post is about having more woo-man and less sausage-sorcerer.

My point is that, from this male-centered view, it makes sense to visually focus on male performers. If conceptually men are the active participant, you're going to show more of them because they're the ones doing something.

Are you sure? Because in your first comment you were deriding the OP for viewing women as being inactive and objectified in sex, in spite of him clearly saying he has no interest in seeing men in porn.

Now you're attributing that view to other people and not the OP.

 

[MightyMole]

I thought I read somewhere that watching Male on Female porn as opposed to Female on Female porn actually increases one's sperm count in some way, though it could be total bunk. Of course I have no idea how it would effect a homosexual individual, I never bothered to read up on it that much.

 

[poleboy]

I gave this some thought, and reached the following conclusion: Most male porn actors are really really bad. They overact, scream and grunt like stuck pigs and generallly say inane things (in my opinion at least). A guy like Peter North is a good male porn actor, because he understands that he's mostly a prop. He doesn't constantly speak or yell or try to draw attention away from the girl, because he gets what his job is. At lot of the other guys don't. I think the real problem is that you can't identify with the guy, and then he's just in the way.

But yeah, the close-up of random guy's orgasm face can be kinda weird. I never really understood that either, if we assume it's hetero porn made for men.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

Some very practically reasons I can come up with:


Imagine the Cameraman. (Let's suppose he is hetero dude ok, ladies and gays? Okay? Just because! Don't even think...)

So, where was I, ah yes the bard was making an ass of himself

and the Cameraman is seeing those two (or more => Gangbang) having "fun" in front of him while he has to hold the camera. Tough luck right?

- So his own boner is preventing him from thinking clearly and he just focus on the wrong actor.

- Due to his enormous expertise in filming couples having sex or gang bangs etc. he turned gay and has some interest in the male character

- He is so frustrated because he can't have sex with the girl while the stupid bloke ontop of her pushes his "ding dong" inside her while moaning like an prehistoric ape-monster, so he thinks "payback time" and punishes the male viewers for it, zooming on the guy instead.

 

[sleeperhit79]

I have no idea why they would focus on the dude at climax, thankfully they're getting away from that, nowadays most pornos end in a girl getting cum on her face which I personally enjoy more or the whole POV porn which is kinda perfect if you wanna pretend you're the guy. lesbian porn is kinda boring honestly, so I stay away from it. I work in an environment where I see real lesbians on a regular basis, it really kills any fantasy of two girls together. I think most of us are with you in that we think in porn the guy is like the ref in any sport, necessary but shouldn't be the star. If you notice him too much then they're not doing their job right.

P.S. Dana Gould referred to climaxing to the male pornstar closeup as "an unintentional mangasm." thought that was hilarious.

 

[Rockchimp69]

I love how the OP generally typifies sex as something a man does with a woman or "girl" rather than something two people do together.

Perhaps not everyone has your particularly male centric view of sex?

It is a bit Male centric though, to quote a great mind of our time "a woman just has to be there".
But seriously, it is a bit more something a man is doing to a woman.

Also since the OP is both male and talking about men in porn it's kind of natural to focus on the man.

 

[Princess Rose]

You know, this reminds me of a comedian's routine. I just can't remember what comedian it was.

Here, does this sound familiar to anyone else?

The comedian states that everyone is at least a little bit gay. He then talks about his very straight, very masculine friend who took offense to this. This is my attempt to remember the recreated dialogue that the comedian then provided:

Comedian's Friend: "I'm not part gay!"

Comedian: "Oh. Do you watch porn?"

Comedian's Friend: "... sure."

Comedian: "I see. So you only watch lesbian porn."

Comedian's Friend: "What? No, I enjoy watching a man and a woman make love."

Comedian: "Okay. So, when you're watching straight porn, do you like it when the guy's penis is sort of soft and floppy?"

Comedian's Friend: "Hell no! I like to see his big, hard cock..."

Comedian: **gives friend a significant look**

Comedian's Friend: "Huh. I did not know that about myself."

Anyway, that isn't perfect by any means (although I think that the last line is almost exactly as it was in the comedy routine). That's what this thread made me think of.

Also, if anyone knows what comedian I'm talking about (I can't remember his/her name) please let me know - this is going to bother me all evening.

 

[Dags90]

Are you sure? Because in your first comment you were deriding the OP for viewing women as being inactive and objectified in sex, in spite of him clearly saying he has no interest in seeing men in porn.

Now you're attributing that view to other people and not the OP.

I wasn't deriding anyone in my first post. I noted the OPs failure to mention the active role of women in sex from the language of his OP. I went on to say that many men (including, perhaps the OP), and later, our culture in general view men as the sole active partners in sex. I further clarified that this is why I believe men are visually more prominent in heterosexual porn.

OP later clarified that he doesn't have this view, but it should be clear where the humor is in people who hold male-centric views of sex complaining about too much focus being paid to men in porn.

I'm quite sure of my own intentions.

 

[Jodah]

Solution: Watch lesbian or woman solo porn only!

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[UrieHusky]

I wouldn't know, I only really used porn for educational purposes when I was in my early teens so I didn't screw up my first time, since then it hasn't interested me in the slightest.

My guess would be using your imagination to replace yourself with the guy?