Activision Fires Back Over Schafer Name-Calling

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Can't forget all the lawsuites they've been in recently.
<http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/30/it039s-ugly-valve-sues-activision-activision-threatens-sue-valve>
<http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/06/12/artist-sues-activision-discovery-channel-over-american-chopper>
<http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/11/25/what-i-dont-like-about-you-one-hit-wonders-sue-over-guitar-hero-sequel>
And then there is Infinity Ward, which I don't even need to mention.
 

Antari

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He can't even respond to the comments himself he has to hide behind the lady who runs corporate communications? .... Tim hit the bullseye on this one.
 

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DTWolfwood said:
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DTWolfwood said:
Props to Kotick for making Activision what it is tho.
A shell of its former self, with its major titles in their thousandth iteration?

Kotick's a dick, and not enough of the gaming public know that. Maybe Black Ops should have an easter egg that explains just why Kotick is a dick.
They make the most money don't they? Hate him or Hate him, he made Activision #1 :p
That rubs me up the wrong way, Activision on it's own is number 2, the only reason it's number 1 is because of the mountains of cash over at Blizzard, EA is still a better performing studio than Activision. >_<
Agree

I hate Activision but LOVE Blizzard. im pretty torn about it too :( but hey money spawns new and better things(Tho not if Kotick has his way thats not true XD.) so long as ppl pay, he gonna do what works >.<

It disheartens me to see the Map packs for MW2 always on the Steam top 10 sellers list week in and week out.

But remember when EA was #1? didnt we hear this same "EA's Ceo is a prick!" rhetoric too? Everyone always hates on the #1 Publishers
haha actually out of all your comments (playing devil's advocate? or do you just like games...with people's minds puaha), this one I think is partly wrong. true that people hate the #1 (e.g. Infinity Ward...before Activision raped them), but in this case Kotick really has been saying a lot of things he probably really shouldn't have said (maybe their PR department needs to review his statements before being released to the general public haha)
 

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TheRealCJ said:
Do you know what I just read?

Tim Schafer: Bobby Kotick is a total prick who hates videogames!

Activision: Bobby Kotick does NOT hate videogames. That is all.
HA!
So true.

Anyway, I'm going to go with Shafer on this one.

I mean, for fucks sake, the man made Brutal Legend!
 

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duchaked said:
haha actually out of all your comments (playing devil's advocate? or do you just like games...with people's minds puaha), this one I think is partly wrong. true that people hate the #1 (e.g. Infinity Ward...before Activision raped them), but in this case Kotick really has been saying a lot of things he probably really shouldn't have said (maybe their PR department needs to review his statements before being released to the general public haha)
hehe u got it buddy. a bit more intellectually stimulating when you can look at things from different perspectives ^-^

And yes Kotick is a PR Nightmare no doubt about that. This is a hole he willingly dug himself into. So A pox on him.

20 years and several billions of dollars later, gotta respect his ability to earn that cash. (even if you don't agree with the methods how he earn it heh)

DazBurger said:
I have to agree there, money isent.
Creative mind make good games, not money.

Suuure! Money can accuire creative minds, but creativity needs time, which is bad for the money.
Meaning, even the best most creative well payed game-makers make shitty games when on short timetable.


On the other hand... Creative minds with NO timetable was what happened with DukeNukem Forever.


One needs to find balance, and you need a boss with a good head on his shoulders, golden fingers and passion for what he is doing to accuire that.
Like to think of it as the Chicken or the Egg first argument. u need money to bust out AAA titles, and u need AAA titles to make money (unless your PopCap or Zynga or Nintendo XD but they target a totally untapped market so props to them)

But i always sees it as money first. Creativity also needs motivation. And in this industry $$ so happens to be the Great Motivator (hence all the sequels, fight over Pirates and annoying as hell DRM). Dev Studios need the liquidity to actually make new IPs without it, all the creativity in the world isn't going to feed them or their family.

I do see your point.
Knight Templar said:
I'm sure he loves video games, or rather he loves the money pit they allow him to maintain.

DTWolfwood said:
Props to Kotick for making Activision what it is tho. Hate him or not, Activision is #1 right now and i'm pretty sure Kotick has something to do with that :D
I would think more credit is due to the games, particularly Wow and MW.
hence props for him acquiring them :D Or whoever name is on the 'check' that bought the companies/ips if not Kotick heh
 
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Said it last time so I'll put it here again:

Bobby Kotick understands that the video game industry is an industry, a business, and it needs to make money. It is not some personal ideas pot he can sink money and time into, he needs to make things that turn profit or else his company will go under, a lot of people will lose their jobs and we will have lost another videogame publisher to the recession and just general problems.

Kotick has been CEO for twenty years and Activision is a powerhouse of the gaming industry. Tim Schafer has been running Double Fine for ten years, during which he's made two games, one of which was adored and one of which was derided for having bad gameplay, but at least it looked nice.

He's a dick, but Kotick knows how to keep his company in the black.
 

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MelasZepheos said:
Said it last time so I'll put it here again:

Bobby Kotick understands that the video game industry is an industry, a business, and it needs to make money. It is not some personal ideas pot he can sink money and time into, he needs to make things that turn profit or else his company will go under, a lot of people will lose their jobs and we will have lost another videogame publisher to the recession and just general problems.

Kotick has been CEO for twenty years and Activision is a powerhouse of the gaming industry. Tim Schafer has been running Double Fine for ten years, during which he's made two games, one of which was adored and one of which was derided for having bad gameplay, but at least it looked nice.

He's a dick, but Kotick knows how to keep his company in the black.
Why do people always defend Kotick this way? "It's a business, they need to make money, he makes the money regardless!", I call BS on that, you can make a successful unique game all on itself without resorting to just profit talk. He cannot hide behind his "CEO of a huge company" label when he spouts crap like this;

Bobby Kotick said:
The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games.
Bobby Kotick said:
...have the potential to be exploited every year on every platform with clear sequel potential and have the potential to become $100 million franchises
Bobby Kotick said:
If it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further.
And it's not like Activision is relying on every single game to be a triple-A hit, they pump out game after game after game regardless of what it is, and that's not taking the Blizzard side of Activision-Blizzard into account.

Kotick may "undstand that the video game industry is a business, and that it needs to make money", but when has "It's a business" been an excuse for anything? Last time I've heard that excuse, it's with the friggin' Mafia.
 

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Bobby Kotick said:
The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games.
Bobby Kotick said:
The goal... was to take all the fun out of making video games.
Bobby Kotick said:
take all the fun out of making video games.
Uh huh.
Sure, guys. He is a very nice person and all.
Thanks, but I'll stick with Tim on this one.
No shit, I like how he couldn't even be bothered to write a four sentence response personally, he had a VP do it!
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
Bobby Kotick said:
The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games.
Bobby Kotick said:
The goal... was to take all the fun out of making video games.
Bobby Kotick said:
take all the fun out of making video games.
Uh huh.
Sure, guys. He is a very nice person and all.
Thanks, but I'll stick with Tim on this one.
Journey 1
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A point well made my friend.
 

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Furburt said:
EDIT: Actually, looking over the previous article, Schafer never really mentions anything about Kotick not playing videogames. He simply says that Kotick doesn't treat his customers the right way. So essentially, this rebuttal is almost totally irrelevant. I'm a bit hazy on the definitions, but that would be a Strawman argument, would it not?
I noticed this too! It's a non-sequitur (doesn't follow in any logical way to what precedes it).
It's really wrong of Activision to argue bullshit like this.
 

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MelasZepheos said:
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He's a dick, but Kotick knows how to keep his company in the black.
And enrage large segments of the gaming population at the same time. We never disputed the economic powerhouse that is Activision.

think of activision like McDonalds, churns out bland, consumable products.
Double Fine is more like the local pub, friendly banter, good food, etc.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
If you disagree with me, that's fine, but don't go around saying you've "fixed" my writing, it's incredibly insulting.
I apologise if it came across as an insult, it wasn't meant to be nor was it my intention.

It was just a jab at how Activision and more specifically how Kotick is seen.
 

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elvor0 said:
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Kurokami said:
Mind bringing me up to speed here, I don't keep the name cards of those involved in 'gaming politics' so I've very little information to go here, I assume games and their companies make money by selling however, to us specifically, the gaming community so... Not quite sure why its so bad that they treat it like a business. Don't get me wrong, I don't touch copy+paste games with a 10 foot pole, but I don't see them as evil for making them, especially when others seem so keen to purchase them.

Like I said, not much of a clue as to what the bs involved is so I'm probably not seeing the big picture here.
It's that Kotic keeps pushing copy paste, and treats the games industry like you can just run stuff on a factory line, not wanting factor in the fact that it's like Art in a sense that you need to let creativity flow rather than stifle it, the same way you can't just get lots of artists in a building and make them push out art on a factory line, you can't with video games, Kotic would rather it's an automitus process, thus leading to less interesting games.
Okay, well I don't have much love for games like that as I said previously, but shouldn't we turn to the people actually interested in such games? I know gamers who aren't actually looking for anything... worth while (by my standard) and prefer the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, 3 to be copy pasted for their purchase. Its them that bother me, atleast he's employing people and making money.

(No hate intended for Modern Warfare, I actually quite enjoyed the campaign in both games from a cinematic point of view very much)
I'd say that was more of a fault on both sides in regards to MW2 and the like, however, it's more the mainstream gamer market that are content with that, if it was still considered pretty geeky past time, the sales figures (relative to the imagined markets) would've most likely tanked or done medicore, specially with the dedicated server debacle, Activision makes generic games, the mass mainstream market laps it up, activision makes generic game 2, mass mainstream laps it up, etc etc, thus leading to the current situation where the mainstream are used to it being that way, thus they do not question or resist it.

We however are NOT the mainstream media, which is why we voice our concerns, you don't hear frat boy A complaining about generic gaming and he is very unlikely to even know about Activision or Kotics antics, how many people know about the Infinity Ward scandal outside proper gamers? It's just like reality TV and Soaps, the people in charge put them out, and the mainstream are quite happy to eat it, because they don't know any better.
You're definitely right, but all the same (being capatilist me) I feel much more comfortable blaming the frat boys who demand less somehow (probably cause I despise those gamers, which is funny cause some of my friends are). I suppose I can't negate the fact that Kotik does (thanks to your explanation) seem to be ruining games, but when he's rewarded and even praised for it I just don't feel I can go as far as to call him a prick for it.



Even though he likely is.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
I knew what Kotick meant. I mean, it's hard to run a GAME PUBLISHER without ever playing games. That said, there is no reason he can't make the time, especially with the thriving portable gaming scenes and "business flights". So, that's a very piss-poor excuse.

As for those "take the fun out of making video games" comments...well...He clearly wants to see this industry buckle down, and treat it like the BUSINESS that it is. I don't think he means they're posting "NO FUN" signs in all the in-house dev studios.

He's still a shitty CEO, though. Good business is NOT suing your own employees.
I most concur with the glorious Hypnotoad on this matter.

He MEANT he wanted to make this a real goddamn business and to stop wasting money like some do.

But he sounds and acts like a douche.

So, good idea's, still a total douche.