Activision Joins the Anti-Used Games Crusade

Raesvelg

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I considered replying individually to the folks who quoted me, but I'm fundamentally lazy, so I don't think I'll bother.

First off, read what I wrote: "people who for some unknown reason don't want to have their console online." Don't WANT to. Not can't, because those people are screwed either way, given that DLC is perpetually beyond their reach whether it is free or not. Rather, the people who are technophobic enough, or incompetent enough, not to want to hook their console up.

Secondly, I forget whose snarky comment went along the lines of me saying that people who don't play online "don't have a right to be gamers", again, read what I wrote. I said "probably shouldn't", not "don't have the right to be", so congrats for trying to put words in my mouth. Stay Classy yourself.

Next, an awful lot of people I've seen have tried to turn this into some sort of quasi-socialist moral crusade. "Activision makes lots of money, so they should give me stuff". That's the basic summation of that argument, and it's as specious here as it is if you dress it up with fancy language and moral posturing. They're under no obligation to give stuff away because they are successful; indeed, it can be argued that a certain mercenary sensibility is one of the roots of that success. Your argument is akin to saying: "Well, Jim Cameron made a boatload of money on Avatar, so he should make his next film free to all audiences, and just suck up the losses on it." It doesn't fly. Activision's responsibility is NOT to its consumers, but rather to its STOCKHOLDERS.

Finally, there remains this weird group who somehow feel that by buying used games, they're communicating to Activision some measure of disapproval for the way they do business. What you're communicating, in fact, is an approval of their product, and an unwillingness to pay what Activision is willing to sell it for. In a sense, you're reinforcing the idea of day 1 DLC; you're telling the company you like what they make, you're just too cheap to buy it new, so they need to find some way to coerce you into doing so.
 

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Aside from the small matter of screwing over customers in places like Australia and New Zealand who often pay through the nose for a small amount of limited-use bandwidth, there's the small matter that when (not if) the servers for downloading content are taken offline, no one will ever be able to play the "complete" version of the game from install again.

Which I suppose is fine if you only intend to make sequels and franchise games that have all the longevity of a fruit fly in a vacuum tube. Hmm. Who would be tactless enough to not only make such a plan but to openly admit it...?
 

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Reduce content for their games and make most of it DLC only.

Great move. I don't bother with DLC unless the actual game itself has satisfied me enough and I want more. Why would I want to spend more?

Basically it's a slap in the face to people who are buying the games brand new on release date. Most of the time you only get DLC extras then if you spend extra on a collectors edition or pre-order it.
 

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Straying Bullet said:
This entire DLC business around the time of Oblivion was a really interesting thing to do but many people were enraged. Fearing for incomplete

Look at them now, it's common practice, those who shout the LOUDEST have conformed to the will of the Publishers and buying every DlC. Activision really wants to keep delivering short, incomplete and horrible CoD games to the userbase. Well, have fun!

You know which studios/publishers really deserve[d] my money because I get quality for my buck?

- Epic Studios
- Bioware [ Though the latter ME2 DLC was JUNK ]
- Blizzard
- Betsheda [ Fallout 3 especially ]

The fun thing is, I haven't paid ONE dime towards DLC. I have the All Fronts DLC for GoW2 for free. Fallout 3 GOTY was simply given to me, new and sealed. Either way, still boycotting Activision.
Straying Bullet, you have once again hit the nail on the head.

DLC could have been something really special, Bethesda has done a fine job and gives you DLC in the same mould as the "expansion packs" used to. (Though I shall let the Horse Armour debacle slide for now.)

DLC should be used to provide a substantial and significant expansion to an already full game. But these days, it's giving gamers a very underwhelming and overpriced experience for something that should be included on the disc to begin with.

The sad thing is why the publishers do it, it's because people pretty much have to pay an exorbitant price to purchase the game and then pay over the odds for DLC in order to play the full game as it was meant to be played. (Especially in Assassin's Creed 2.)

Plus the fact that gamers are giving their money over in the first place. As Tommy Vercetti once said "People will only do to you what you allow them to do." As gamers, by giving the publishers our money, we also give them consent to screw us over - and they will continue to do so until the money stops rolling in for them.

I know a boycott isn't easy to stick to, but it's best to do it now than wait before the publishers subject us all to more and more of their money grubbing.
 

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Ah the consistently increasing use of DLC. I hate it. As someone who can barely afford video games, important DLC has become the bane of my entertainment. Also added to the fact that most DLC is unfairly priced....I truly believe that this is the start of the fall of videogaming.

Well, perhaps just for me.
 

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vxicepickxv said:
Raesvelg said:
I find the reaction to this... entertaining.

The only people who really have a reason to complain about this sort of thing are people who buy their games used, and people who for some unknown reason don't want have their console online. While I feel for the latter, they're relatively few and far between, and frankly typically just technophobic incompetents who probably shouldn't be gaming in the first place.

Now, as for the former group, the people who buy their games used, I'm going to clue you in on something:

ACTIVISION DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU.

They're not getting any money from you. In fact, in terms of games with online multiplayer aspects, you are arguably COSTING them money.

The argument of "I'm going to have to pay for stuff that should have been included in the game" is moot. You weren't paying ACTIVISION for the game in the first place, so it's not like you have any say in what should, or should not, have been included on the disc.
You think that Activision thinks you acutally buy the game? That's cute. As far as Activision is thinking you buy a contract that allows you permission to use a product they still feel that THEY own. This is why they want to charge the money for used games.

Activision does care about people that buy used games. Activision thinks they are thieves.
What do you mean? Of course they think you buy the game.

That's why they don't let you get it back if the disk breaks, they sometimes see it as a product.
 

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WhiteTigerShiro said:
I don't really know the history of the CoD series, maybe the earlier titles have been very single-player focused, but everything I know about CoD has to do with it being a more multiplayer-focused series, especially the Modern Warfare games.
Actually, they've all had great single player campaigns until now. People are annoyed by the fact that due to past performance, they bought the game on day one, and then found that compared to any of the ones before it, it was absolutely awful.

Sure, this title might have been multiplayer focused, but it was reasonable to expect that it would give the usual level of single player campaign that users have come to expect from a CoD game. Personally, I don't really like the series, but I can empathise with them.
 

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Wakefield said:
dathwampeer said:
All this shit is goint to lead to a massive activision boycot eventually. We should all get the ball rolling for black opps. Make facebook groups and everything. If enough people refuse to buy their games maybe they'll STFU for a bit.
Mass Organized boycotts never really work.(I believe there was a steamgroup screen shot that illustrated this effect but I can't find it) Best way is to decide for yourself where to spend your money. Get the message out there in any case.

My money doesn't go to Activision or Ubisoft anymore.
If you're thinking of the Left4Dead 2 boycott, to my mind it worked. The game was released and not more than a month later there was a sale on and it was £20, the very discount us boycotters said we wanted for an 'expansion'. The screen-shot that got circulated of the boycott group page on release day is misleading because most people don't understand how the members list page works(so this will apply to the Modern Warfare 2 dedicated server protest group too); it shows the 'green' players in-game on the first couple of pages, then the 'blue' online ones followed by the 'grey' offline members. It's sorted by activity.

Go to ANY steam group from Peggle to Team Fortress 2 and even Counter-Strike and you will see the most green players will be playing a certain game if it's the release day for that game, they will be the most active online and in-game members. So the screen-shots only show a handful of players out of thousands.

Those of us who boycotted got Left4Dead 2 for a third less when the sale came so soon after release and it was an unexpectedly high discount, consistent with one of the key goals.
 

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Knowing them, they'll probabally give out one map free with a £50 game, with it available on xbox live for around 3000 microsoft points, that about it?

It'll be worth it though, because said maps a remake of that map you really loved from COD4. Of course activision did it because they love us, entirely not because they're a bunch of lazy money grabbers, determined to make maximum profit for minimum actual effort.

A little more on topic, I was opposed to the idea of top ten dollar when it was announced, being a cheapskate who hardly ever buys new, but since I bought a couple of games with this or similiar plans (BC2, Alan Wake) I've really warmed to it. But it the hands of activision, this sort of plan will end up being a complete scam.
 

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Ziggy the wolf said:
okay i dont think they really get the point of Gamers. im broke as are most gamers. we have other bills to pay and while we do love the gaming world, we cant always afford 50 or 60 bucks for a game. they dont seem to catch the point. Activision are pulling the EA thing by buying out smaller companies sucking the life out of them pumping out games with no spark and no one wants to pay for them til after the prices drop. hence with the lack of money people will sell their games to make a quick buck and people buy them cause they are cheaper and more appealing. i still cringe when i buy a game at 60 bucks new or used and go all Gamefly commercial insane when it sucks. i feel better when i only pay 20 or less for a used one and it sucks
Your not their target customer. To these executives video games are a luxury. Only people that can throw money around without thinking about it should have access to luxuries. To think that have-nots actually scrape together money to afford their luxuries is absurd.

I just rent games for console, the PC market is more forgiving as modability is the new buzzword in PC gaming (at least with some developers who are trying to capitalize on the faults of the major publishers).
 

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Arec Balrin said:
Wakefield said:
dathwampeer said:
All this shit is goint to lead to a massive activision boycot eventually. We should all get the ball rolling for black opps. Make facebook groups and everything. If enough people refuse to buy their games maybe they'll STFU for a bit.
Mass Organized boycotts never really work.(I believe there was a steamgroup screen shot that illustrated this effect but I can't find it) Best way is to decide for yourself where to spend your money. Get the message out there in any case.

My money doesn't go to Activision or Ubisoft anymore.
If you're thinking of the Left4Dead 2 boycott, to my mind it worked. The game was released and not more than a month later there was a sale on and it was £20, the very discount us boycotters said we wanted for an 'expansion'. The screen-shot that got circulated of the boycott group page on release day is misleading because most people don't understand how the members list page works(so this will apply to the Modern Warfare 2 dedicated server protest group too); it shows the 'green' players in-game on the first couple of pages, then the 'blue' online ones followed by the 'grey' offline members. It's sorted by activity.

Go to ANY steam group from Peggle to Team Fortress 2 and even Counter-Strike and you will see the most green players will be playing a certain game if it's the release day for that game, they will be the most active online and in-game members. So the screen-shots only show a handful of players out of thousands.

Those of us who boycotted got Left4Dead 2 for a third less when the sale came so soon after release and it was an unexpectedly high discount, consistent with one of the key goals.
Okay, fair enough. I can see where you're coming from. Although I think we can all agree Activision is the devil of the video game world.
 

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Irridium said:
Want people to buy new? Lower the price of games. Want to lower the price of games? Stop spending so much on game development. How do you stop spending so much on development? Just don't pour so much money into the epic graphix, that should save you a nice chunk of change.

And besides Activision, you have WoW. You have a steady supply of money, your fine. So forgive me about not giving a shit about you complaining about money.
From what I gather, Activision doesn't see a dime of the money made from WoW.
 
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Sean Strife said:
Irridium said:
Want people to buy new? Lower the price of games. Want to lower the price of games? Stop spending so much on game development. How do you stop spending so much on development? Just don't pour so much money into the epic graphix, that should save you a nice chunk of change.

And besides Activision, you have WoW. You have a steady supply of money, your fine. So forgive me about not giving a shit about you complaining about money.
From what I gather, Activision doesn't see a dime of the money made from WoW.
Considering that Activision owns Blizzard, and they said they only get 30% of their profits from consoles [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101552-Kotick-Only-30-of-Activisions-Profits-Come-from-Consoles]. One has to wonder where all the rest of those profits come from. Blizzard and WoW would be the logical moneymaker.
 

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Eh, I don't agree with the concept of disallowing the resale of used games. I never have, and never will, and will continue not paying £60 for a game until it becomes illegal. Which it won't, because if it were to happen to just games, then it would also have to happen to everything else. Which would have a massively adverse effect on the economy, and there would be a lot of used crap cluttering people's houses.
As previously stated, there are few options regarding what happens to the game(s) once they are finished with. Reselling used games allows the retailer to get a bit of money, which allows the developers to promote their brand new games, which to me seems like a good thing, no?

Anywho, I've also never really been that interested in DLC. That's what GOTY or collector's edition games have been for. And for codes, go to an Expo if you're that bothered. You shouldn't have to pay for a string of 10 or so random characters.

This sort of thing just proves that developers are greedy and exploitative.

*EDIT* Oh, and don't forget modding communities. Free content. Yay.