Actual City of Juarez Wants Videogame Juarez Banned
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The crime state in Mexico is in a tough spot. Baring regular economic exports, its tourist spots like Cabo, Mexico only really triumphs through its drug trade. It's an important keystone to what keeps that nation floating. I've seen a few people respond, "if your nation is screwed up, fight back." (Well, is more colorful forms of that sentence.) And I'm afraid it's just not that easy.
The idea of an organized revolution is not so simple. It's not like fighting back against an oppressed nation. The crime element has been killing in brutal and grotesque ways, and making examples of resistance. Not to mention the ability to organize in that environment is a joke.
But lets say the "people" rise up and over throw the criminal element. What then? Do they let that part of their economy crumble? Or do they step in and take over? The drug trade elements so deeply seeded into their nation is like a poison they need to survive. It's killing them, and at the same time, it's the only way they'll survive.
There's no right answer to the situation in Mexico, or Juarez. A game that glorifies their situation doesn't help the people of Juarez in the least. Even though the people that voted the game ban through claim "it's for the children," it's pretty easy to guess that it's also for all the people living in fear, too.
The idea of an organized revolution is not so simple. It's not like fighting back against an oppressed nation. The crime element has been killing in brutal and grotesque ways, and making examples of resistance. Not to mention the ability to organize in that environment is a joke.
But lets say the "people" rise up and over throw the criminal element. What then? Do they let that part of their economy crumble? Or do they step in and take over? The drug trade elements so deeply seeded into their nation is like a poison they need to survive. It's killing them, and at the same time, it's the only way they'll survive.
There's no right answer to the situation in Mexico, or Juarez. A game that glorifies their situation doesn't help the people of Juarez in the least. Even though the people that voted the game ban through claim "it's for the children," it's pretty easy to guess that it's also for all the people living in fear, too.
Garner controversy? How are you sure that is their end goal? Or are you just assuming that is? The fact is that there is regular gang violence in Juarez, and there's a mini-civil war going on in Mexico. And no one cares. To change up my point a bit more, should we write no books on current events like the Mexican drug war, because it's just 'using a current conflict to garner controversy'? Or films of the same nature?Generic Gamer said:
I'm more upset that they're taking a pretty cool western franchise and turning it modern like all other games.
Seriously, the first Juarez game was actually pretty great. The second was still alright too.
Seriously, the first Juarez game was actually pretty great. The second was still alright too.
What?? why? Is Ubisoft going to force people to play it? Because if people aren't being given the choice not to buy/rent/play it then ya i can understand the logic. But if we banned every game some group found offensive we would only have Tetris.SAT4NSLILHELPER said:
And it will probably have an M rating meaning it is already off limits to children.
What Greg Tito doesn't understand is that the culture in Mexico is very different due to the violence.
In the US and Canada it might seem incredulous to think that children might mistake video game violence with real world violence, however, this is not the case in other countries that are crippled by street violence such as Mexico.
The children of Juarez and other cities in a similar crime situation are already at a very high risk of joining violent gangs and drug trafficking, and glamorizing this violence in a video game can only reinforce these ideas.
Just look at games that have dealt with the modern wars the US has been involved with recently: Even games that try to portray a realistic and respectful image of soldier are quickly shut down. Imagine what kind of backlash a game that glamorizes the killing of Iraqi insurgents and the deaths of American soldiers would have.
Is mexico not allowed to do the same?
In the US and Canada it might seem incredulous to think that children might mistake video game violence with real world violence, however, this is not the case in other countries that are crippled by street violence such as Mexico.
The children of Juarez and other cities in a similar crime situation are already at a very high risk of joining violent gangs and drug trafficking, and glamorizing this violence in a video game can only reinforce these ideas.
Just look at games that have dealt with the modern wars the US has been involved with recently: Even games that try to portray a realistic and respectful image of soldier are quickly shut down. Imagine what kind of backlash a game that glamorizes the killing of Iraqi insurgents and the deaths of American soldiers would have.
Is mexico not allowed to do the same?
Let's get serious, when has an M rating stopped a child from getting their hands on a game they wanted?squid5580 said:
Yup, pretty much.SAT4NSLILHELPER said:
It's easy to mock those who say 'games turn people into murderers and rapists probably!' from the comfort of their suburban homes. A bit harder when it comes from those who are knee-deep in twenty murders a day.
I probably would stand for the games' side if I trusted whoever is publishing the game (Ubisoft, yes?) to deal with the matter sensibly. I do not.
Its a well known fact that 100kms outside of the major cities, the Cartels control the country. They have been shown to use the media and propaganda to show themselves in a more positive light. This latest so-called "outrage" is likely the Cartels' efforts to make themselves look even nicer.
Nail head ty, THIS is the reason why drug cartels in mexico have so much power is because drugs are profitable, the WAR on drugs makes them 10 times more profitable, since our government insists drugs r bad so drugs must be illegal (circular arguments ftw) and if you do not say drugs r bad and that drugs are evil we will not give you money or a pat on the back or wtf ever we give to mexico, to mexico to wade into this shitstorm that AMERICA's drug HABIT reeps in that country.Blind Sight said:
War on drugs when will the war on drugs be won exactly? What is the exit strategy? How many people have to be raped murdered tortured and and robbed before people wake up to the fact that war on drugs is a sham a scam and does more harm than good.
Far as the game goes it certainly will not help matters but i fail to see how a video game could make them drastically worse.
I am over this. They can do what the want in their piece of the world. I sympathize with their plight, I really do.
Maybe, this game could be used to shed light on their situation. Much like a well done documentary raises awareness maybe a well done game could raise the awareness needed to help solve their problem.
Sadly I doubt it will.
Maybe, this game could be used to shed light on their situation. Much like a well done documentary raises awareness maybe a well done game could raise the awareness needed to help solve their problem.
Sadly I doubt it will.
I'm all for a game that depicts real life events dealing with real life people in real life place...however it has to be respectful of the situation. Six Days in Fallujah was meant to be that kind of a game. It was respectful of its source material and treated it with the dignity and maturity it deserved. I would be all for a game that depicts the death camps of WWII if it treated the entire bit with respect and dignity.Blind Sight said:
The makers of Call of Juarez will not treat this game and this subject with that kind of respect. The tag line alone proves they wont treat it with any respect. They're basically usin these peoples misery for their own cheap laughs. Its disrespectful and in such bad taste that I'd go so far as to say its morally objectionable or possibly f'in retarded.
Ugh what? I thought this ban made alot of sense, it's not saying that "These games will make our kids kill!" they're saying "Our people in this city have it terrible and plagued with violence and then we have this game which this game rubs in our face and glorifies it"CardinalPiggles said:
It would be like making a game where you play as the Taliban, killing Coalition soldiers forcing tribe leaders to support you and then being surprised that it was banned in the military.
Well, as no one seems to listen to what the entire country of Mexico says, I can predict that no on will listen.
In this case, it's for the best.
In this case, it's for the best.
In the new CoJ you play as the 'good' guys, bringing down the drug cartel. In your analogy, you would be the soldiers.Warforger said:
I wish that this had been a direct sincere plea to the developers on grounds of basic morality rather than an insincere plea to the authorities using children as a mode of transporting a pointless piece of legislation.
Though this is deeply unlikely to change the state of affairs in Mexico, and certainly is not intended for children. Will this make the cartels in Mexico be more active in their criminal activity? Probably not. Will the civilians who suffer the chaos and violence on a daily basis be drawn into crime because the game really made a good point? I'd be dubious.
It doesn't need banning. Though whether it was particularly tactful to make this game in the first place is questionable.
Though this is deeply unlikely to change the state of affairs in Mexico, and certainly is not intended for children. Will this make the cartels in Mexico be more active in their criminal activity? Probably not. Will the civilians who suffer the chaos and violence on a daily basis be drawn into crime because the game really made a good point? I'd be dubious.
It doesn't need banning. Though whether it was particularly tactful to make this game in the first place is questionable.
I don't care if the game is terrible, in bad taste, offensive, or if it blatantly claims every person from Juarez is an illiterate child molester. In countries with freedom of speech you can't ban a game because some people don't like it, no matter who they are or how many dislike it.
If Mexico wants to ban it I don't really care that much because I don't live there, so their laws are up to the people who do. But the rest of North America shouldn't even consider such a thing.
Censorship is bullshit, if you don't like it, don't buy it. If nobody buys it they lose money and will get the message. But for anyone who does want to play the game they have the right to, and others should not be able to stop them based on their own opinions.
If Mexico wants to ban it I don't really care that much because I don't live there, so their laws are up to the people who do. But the rest of North America shouldn't even consider such a thing.
Censorship is bullshit, if you don't like it, don't buy it. If nobody buys it they lose money and will get the message. But for anyone who does want to play the game they have the right to, and others should not be able to stop them based on their own opinions.