I feel like this is more a joke than people seriously wanting to shut down rottentomatoes. Rotten tomatoes is a review aggregator, they don't write these reviews themselves.
After Poor Suicide Squad Reviews, Fan Creates Petition to Shut Down Rotten Tomatoes
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Yeah, the user reviews were more positive, but perhaps you should take a closer look at those user reviews (As is the case with any user review, you REALLY have to take them with a grain of salt). How many of them gave the movie a perfect score? How many gave them a zero? Regardless of how much one likes BvS, it does NOT deserve a perfect 10/10, especially when even The Dark Knight doesn't deserve a perfect score. But at the same time, it doesn't deserve a 0.Kibeth41 said:
I know that there were people on the internet, calling for others to give BvS a perfect score to counter the ratings the critics were giving it. I'm pretty sure there was a forum post about that on the RT forums. I vaguely remember reading it and laughing.
And I remember on IMDB, that before the movie even released, there were a TON of perfect 10/10 ratings for it. And by ton, I mean, thousands of 10/10 ratings. How many of those people that gave it a perfect score even actually saw the film?
It has a 44 on Metacritic. I guess it needs to be shut down, too.
Yeah, this is dumb. The movie made by your favorite thing ever isn't well liked by critics. So what? This happened all the time when I was a kid. The movies I liked weren't particularly well liked by critics and the movies they liked I found uninteresting. I just decided that their reviews weren't worth my time. I would enjoy the movies I liked and ignore the critics.
Is 8 year old me more mature than these people?
Yeah, this is dumb. The movie made by your favorite thing ever isn't well liked by critics. So what? This happened all the time when I was a kid. The movies I liked weren't particularly well liked by critics and the movies they liked I found uninteresting. I just decided that their reviews weren't worth my time. I would enjoy the movies I liked and ignore the critics.
Is 8 year old me more mature than these people?
"Stop hating on the stuff we like!" I think is what it can be summed up as. I agree with the aboves stating that it's just impotent fanboy rage.
"How dare they negatively review a movie that's not even out in theaters yet, and thus I haven't even seen. BURN THEM!"
the petition is dumb but...
Rotten Tomatoes really does suck at its job.
This is not a good process for deciding what films to watch. It is a bad process. I think those guys accusing Disney of bribing reviewers are as full of shit as the next conspiracy theorist, but to be honest, it would not take too many guys working at RT to skew the numbers one way or another and make a film look like the critics hate it. There's just way too much room for bias and human error in their process.
To everyone here who watches Zero Punctuation: If Ben Croshaw was a film critic, would he meet RT's qualifications to be included in the aggregate? And if he was, how would RT tell whether his reviews were positive or negative when he deliberately avoids giving a review a score in favour of giving you his actual, unvarnished opinion?
Edit: Look. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_Tomatoes#Audience_Score_and_reviews] Look at this shit.
Why do people pay attention to this website?
Rotten Tomatoes really does suck at its job.
So, firstly, they only take reviews from the critics that a) work for major newspapers, b) are members of a film critic association, or c) are liked by their users. Then, the staff determine whether the review was positive or negative, and only whether it was positive or negative. Then they take all the positives and all the negatives and pump out the aggregate score, presented as a nice, simple percentage that someone who has no idea how they arrived at that number can just look at it and go, "Wow, that's a good/shit film."From their Wikipedia page said:
This is not a good process for deciding what films to watch. It is a bad process. I think those guys accusing Disney of bribing reviewers are as full of shit as the next conspiracy theorist, but to be honest, it would not take too many guys working at RT to skew the numbers one way or another and make a film look like the critics hate it. There's just way too much room for bias and human error in their process.
To everyone here who watches Zero Punctuation: If Ben Croshaw was a film critic, would he meet RT's qualifications to be included in the aggregate? And if he was, how would RT tell whether his reviews were positive or negative when he deliberately avoids giving a review a score in favour of giving you his actual, unvarnished opinion?
Edit: Look. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_Tomatoes#Audience_Score_and_reviews] Look at this shit.
Users have to rate a film 7 out of 10 for it to be considered a positive review. Last I fucking checked, five was half of ten. Not seven. They are literally assuming that user reviews are on a four point scale. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FourPointScale] Do the people giving the reviews know that?Wikipedia said:
Why do people pay attention to this website?
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It's a common occurrence across all fandoms, really. There are always the highly vocal idiots in every fan scene and they are never ever worth listening to.
Actually, the reviewers tell Rotten Tomatoes whether they liked the movie or not, and that is what is used in the equation for whether or not it is "Fresh", the staff at Rotten Tomatoes do not make that decision. So yes, if Yahtzee review movies, he would simply tell them whether he liked it or not. (Remember any butt-hurt fanboy can edit Wikipedia at any time.) As for their audience reviews, while I agree that 7.5 is a little high of a threshold, on the internet most people do use the four point scoring, which is why critics giving 3/5 stars to a fanboy movie, or 70% to a AAA game are attacked by impotent ragers. Do people giving the reviews know that? Well, all you have to do is mouse over the ? next to Audience Score and it tells you exactly that, so I imagine that yes they do know that, unless they just blindly put out a 5/5 or a 0/5 in which case they don't care.bastardofmelbourne said:
You need to check out more videos instead of cherry picking the good ones. It's being savaged on YouTube just as much as by the pro critics. Search the word "disappointment" and you should bring up most of the Suicide Squad reviews.Remus said:
And this is news worthy how? I swear, every five minutes someone makes some dumb, inane Petition over something stupid.
Like that one time I stepped on some guys house and they made some dumb petition against mechs. Honestly, how crazy can you get? Ungrateful idiots.
Like that one time I stepped on some guys house and they made some dumb petition against mechs. Honestly, how crazy can you get? Ungrateful idiots.
I doubt that this is a case of the petitioner being moronic, it's more a case of him buying into Suicide Squad's Kool-Aid.
Few of the jokes are memorable, Margot Robbie and Will Smith are just about the only castmembers who don't look like their role is asking them to cheese the Heck out of their lines, and Jared Leto's Joker was annoying. I had low expectations from the first trailer, and they only got lower.
I figure DC's the subject of some sort of huge karmic punchline. In the nineties, they ruled the daytime airwaves with the DC Animated Universe, all the while Marvel was struggling under Fox's airtight regulations and censoring the word "kill" from episode scripts for the nineties' Spider-Man cartoon. If you want someone to blame for everything involving enemies and friends of Parker's ending up in interdimensional portals, blame Fox.
The fulcrum's swung in the opposite direction, now. Marvel's pushed its characters into mature subject matter with Civil War and seems to be working as hard as it can to make the MCU feel like it's populated by believable individuals - while Warner is desperately clingigng to the Frank Miller era and Batman as its cash cows.
If anything, what they should learn from Marvel is to stop being afraid to embrace the stupidity of their properties' respective premises. Nobody loses their parents and then decides to turn into a cape-wearing detective-ninja; just as someone with Superman's abilities is likely to have more-than-rocky formative years.
Go nuts, DC! Bring on the Batusi and Kid Clark totaling his father's Chevy with a playfully-thrown punch! Either dig into these characters seriously, or fucking stop trying and just go for the Adam West School of Not Giving a Crap and Coming Up with Nonsensical Gadgets.
Few of the jokes are memorable, Margot Robbie and Will Smith are just about the only castmembers who don't look like their role is asking them to cheese the Heck out of their lines, and Jared Leto's Joker was annoying. I had low expectations from the first trailer, and they only got lower.
I figure DC's the subject of some sort of huge karmic punchline. In the nineties, they ruled the daytime airwaves with the DC Animated Universe, all the while Marvel was struggling under Fox's airtight regulations and censoring the word "kill" from episode scripts for the nineties' Spider-Man cartoon. If you want someone to blame for everything involving enemies and friends of Parker's ending up in interdimensional portals, blame Fox.
The fulcrum's swung in the opposite direction, now. Marvel's pushed its characters into mature subject matter with Civil War and seems to be working as hard as it can to make the MCU feel like it's populated by believable individuals - while Warner is desperately clingigng to the Frank Miller era and Batman as its cash cows.
If anything, what they should learn from Marvel is to stop being afraid to embrace the stupidity of their properties' respective premises. Nobody loses their parents and then decides to turn into a cape-wearing detective-ninja; just as someone with Superman's abilities is likely to have more-than-rocky formative years.
Go nuts, DC! Bring on the Batusi and Kid Clark totaling his father's Chevy with a playfully-thrown punch! Either dig into these characters seriously, or fucking stop trying and just go for the Adam West School of Not Giving a Crap and Coming Up with Nonsensical Gadgets.
Hrm... reminds me of the console wars debates. With or without an internet, manufactured outrage over shit that doesn't matter will always be...
*Peers angrily at those who only refuse to play anything but Eurogames and scoff at anything else brought to the table...*
*Peers angrily at those who only refuse to play anything but Eurogames and scoff at anything else brought to the table...*
Yyyyyyep. Two movies, and RT becomes a gigantic DC-crushing machine.
Those high ratings for Nolan's Batman movies? The 96% for Arrow, and 98% for Flash, on television? All to lure you into a false sense of security!
Kidding aside, what I've read elsewhere suggests that the petition's author doesn't really expect RT to shut down or be shut down, he just wants people to think... about... something? How jaded and mean-spirited critics are, I guess.
We go through phases of this. People saying we can't turn off our brains and watch a popcorn movie anymore, people saying critics see so many movies they've forgotten how to enjoy them. I will even grant some small measure of sympathy for those ideas, on occasion; some critics do seem to take an almost sadistic glee in eviscerating a movie for reasons that may seem both personal and arbitrary, and some do give one an inkling that perhaps they've been at their job too long.
But there are way too many sacred cows out there already, too many cultural land mines. And so-called "popcorn movies" are one thing, but you shouldn't be making that excuse when you need millions of people to show up to your movie at $10 a pop in order to break even. I can turn off my brain for a $3 second-run theater or something I'm watching in a half-daze on Netflix; for full price I want, at the minimum, a script that doesn't break its own logic and actors who aren't "phoning it in".
The critics are just doing their jobs. And if 88 (and counting) didn't like Suicide Squad, well... A vendetta on the part of Rotten Tomatoes does not seem, to put it kindly, to be the more likely scenario.
Those high ratings for Nolan's Batman movies? The 96% for Arrow, and 98% for Flash, on television? All to lure you into a false sense of security!
Kidding aside, what I've read elsewhere suggests that the petition's author doesn't really expect RT to shut down or be shut down, he just wants people to think... about... something? How jaded and mean-spirited critics are, I guess.
We go through phases of this. People saying we can't turn off our brains and watch a popcorn movie anymore, people saying critics see so many movies they've forgotten how to enjoy them. I will even grant some small measure of sympathy for those ideas, on occasion; some critics do seem to take an almost sadistic glee in eviscerating a movie for reasons that may seem both personal and arbitrary, and some do give one an inkling that perhaps they've been at their job too long.
But there are way too many sacred cows out there already, too many cultural land mines. And so-called "popcorn movies" are one thing, but you shouldn't be making that excuse when you need millions of people to show up to your movie at $10 a pop in order to break even. I can turn off my brain for a $3 second-run theater or something I'm watching in a half-daze on Netflix; for full price I want, at the minimum, a script that doesn't break its own logic and actors who aren't "phoning it in".
The critics are just doing their jobs. And if 88 (and counting) didn't like Suicide Squad, well... A vendetta on the part of Rotten Tomatoes does not seem, to put it kindly, to be the more likely scenario.
Yahtzee isn't a great example of a critic to use here. I've watched all of his reviews, its very easy to determine whether or not he likes a game. He's even joked about the level of stupid a person would have to be at to see an ep of ZP and not know if he recommended the game or not. And as said before, if for some reason RT couldn't tell one way or another... they could just ask. Or if they make the wrong assumption, the reviewer or critic CAN contact them and request they change their rating.bastardofmelbourne said:
But on to the topic in general, every movie that is mostly hated has its random finger-in-ears fanboys. Hell, I absolutely loved Southland Tales. But as far as I go usually is saying "hey, I liked it" and maybe explain what it is I did like if someone is bashing it. Point is, some fanboys rant and scream about the injustice of it all. Obviously this person who initiated the petition is just the ranty and screamy-est of those juvenile fanboys.
Wait, it is?Kyrian007 said:
Considering that ZP is more or less designed to have as much fun as a game's expense as possible, I do find it hard sometimes to tell whether he likes something or not, because absolutely anything can be ripped to shreds at the end of the day (Cinema Sins is built on this for instance). Watch ZP long enough, you start to notice some recurring trends (e.g., this week's review reaffirms that he dislikes JRPGs, but aside from that, the last game I think he liked was...Doom, maybe? The rest are either games he genuienly disliked, or games that he still took the mickey out of regardless.
Honestly, Ghostbusters, while it had issues with male characters, lousy plot, and no understanding of the supernatural (seriously, coming up with ratings and classifications when they imply no-one on the planet has ever seen a ghost), the cast were fine. I just wish Paul Feig would get his damn sex change if he thinks males are dicks or incompetent.Kibeth41 said:
I saw Suicide Squad, and I get why the low reviews. I mean, when I found out the script was written in six weeks, I understood why there were so many problems with the narrative. Warner Bros needs to put faith in their writers, and hopefully we get a good DC movie *Looks at Wonder Woman movie with hope, and concern*
I don't think it's weird to be super into Hot Topic Harley. Is it weird? Please tell me I'm not the only one who wanted to see this movie because of Hot Topic Harley... Well, me and Tara Strong apparently. I didn't know the voice of Juliet Starling would be into that.MCerberus said:
Ok, anothermduncan50 said:
My point still stands - these are the reviewers that I regularly visit, who, unlike reviewers like former Escapist alum Bob Chipman, aren't automatically looking for something to hate. Maybe it's you that's cherrypicking. Not a great movie, but not the bomb that people want it to be.
Heres a crazy idea...Rotten Tomatoes is not a good website to judge if a movie is good or not! Its just like metacritic, I could go into the several issues, (like weighting certain critics heavier than others behind closed doors) but I'd be typing for hours, just ignore Rotten Tomatoes and see what the critics you trust have to say