Ignorance, get it in them young before they form analytical thinking skills.
(Why do you churches want you to take kids more then anything else.)
(Why do you churches want you to take kids more then anything else.)
most people can pretty much make a religious following out of anythingDaystar Clarion said:Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.
Stupid people who use religion as a shield is what sucks.
If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.
Agreed.silver wolf009 said:I've always felt that religion is a needed aspect of reality, for two reasons.Daystar Clarion said:Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.
Stupid people who use religion as a shield is what sucks.
If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.
For one, I'm not too keen on living in a world where we're just resigned to this being it, so that's my personal opinion on the ideas of religion, but more importantly, it's served as a binding agent for society for thousands of years. Maybe some feel that it's evil or unneeded, but I doubt a case could be made that there was a better force for bringing together people. Even if it's not true and there is nothing out there, at least it's played a roll in forming civilizations. I doubt we'd have nearly as much to be proud of as a race without religion. Even if its time of relevance is fading away, which I'm not too sure it is, we should give it credit for playing a big part in human advancement.
Oh, and bigots need no flag or religion. Removing it wouldn't stop stupid. No force can defeat stupid.
OT: Hopefully a point will come where the child will realize what he said, and hang his head, otherwise he'll just grow into one of the audience. Here's hoping, eh?
Diverting from the topic, I see you're new here. In case someone hasn't yet welcomed you, allow me!Bolwing said:Agreed.silver wolf009 said:I've always felt that religion is a needed aspect of reality, for two reasons.Daystar Clarion said:Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.
Stupid people who use religion as a shield is what sucks.
If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.
For one, I'm not too keen on living in a world where we're just resigned to this being it, so that's my personal opinion on the ideas of religion, but more importantly, it's served as a binding agent for society for thousands of years. Maybe some feel that it's evil or unneeded, but I doubt a case could be made that there was a better force for bringing together people. Even if it's not true and there is nothing out there, at least it's played a roll in forming civilizations. I doubt we'd have nearly as much to be proud of as a race without religion. Even if its time of relevance is fading away, which I'm not too sure it is, we should give it credit for playing a big part in human advancement.
Oh, and bigots need no flag or religion. Removing it wouldn't stop stupid. No force can defeat stupid.
OT: Hopefully a point will come where the child will realize what he said, and hang his head, otherwise he'll just grow into one of the audience. Here's hoping, eh?
And for anyone worrying that only America has so many bigots and fanatics, we in Poland have more. And they gather each 10th of the each month around the Presidential Palace in Warsaw, yell, chant religious songs and throw things at pepole. All that because a plane carrying half of the ruling party including the president and his wife crashed near Smolensk two years ago.
Not only that, but they blame it on the rest of the government, which aren't very nice and intelligent either. Just lovely.
Hopefully no one has found this offensive.
You guys are wayyyyy off topic, but I'll join in because, well lol.Res Plus said:Nah, sorry, don't agree at all. The way you have put it is the way many religious group try to frame it to make the two viewpoints equivalent, they are not.Buretsu said:Religion is the belief that there is a God, despite the lack of evidence. Atheism is the belief that there is not a God, because of the lack of evidence. In that sense, they're both belief systems.Res Plus said:Hey, indeed, that is nicely put. I will be stealing that and passing it off as my own in future. ; )
It always amazes me how religion retrenches with each body blow. The world is flat, oh some Italian chap has proved it round, oh right, well that was a metaphor.
The world is 5000 years old, oh some English Victorian geologist has proved it's over 4 billion years old, oh right, well that was a metaphor.
Religion is the ignoring of all practical envidence, no matter how much it piles up. Atheism is the weighing up of evidence and coming to the only logical conclusion based on that evidence.
Religion is pure "belief", atheism is based on scientific enquiry.
No, it really does. It's just about impossible to enforce the death penalty in accordance with Jewish Law, and the last court with the authority to do so dissolved about 1900 years ago, but theoretically they are deserving of it and it is condemned just as strongly as incest, bestiality or any other form of sexual immorality.zehydra said:For the record I don't believe the Jewish law condemns homosexuality anyway.
Well, for one thing I think you may have just made that up.sigma2 said:Or that those who do only point to the one passage that proves their point and forgets to bring up the ones that say otherwise.
Hell, wasn't there a passage or something about saying that all people who go to heaven turn into males?
How come no one fucking brings that up huh?!
What a paragon of tolerance you are.Mudze said:Religion is bad for individuals and society, and if you teach it to your children you should be hung from the neck.
I'm sure that's their intent. Even if it were, by the way, that wouldn't actually fit any definition of child abuse.Lying to your children about the fundamental nature of the world and universe at large is child abuse.
Pilgrimage of the jacket eh? Has a nice ring to it. Maybe the long trek through the desert would straighten a few nut jobs out, or...Chaos-Spider said:Nice christ picture.Saulkar said:Really?! I mean... fucking really?!
People are calling this child abuse, indoctrination, vile, I call it fucking retarded. Seriously, in the age old question when did anyone ever know what God's opinion on homosexuals is? Who are they to judge?
No disrespect to peaceful people of faith but it is shit like this experienced in real life that made me reject organised religion. Especially what they are doing to this kid? I am hoping this kid does not understand what he is say because I sure as hell would have at that age. Now I kept this in the off topic section to avoid making this a (flaming argument) strictly religious debate (which it will unfortunately become without a doubt) so what do you gals and guys have to say about this?
KEEP IT CIVIL
NOTE: I am pretty miffed by this video and thus my OP is pretty much nonsensical so I will now leave this forum and allow you hopefully (not gonna happen) have a civil, open discussion about this. And please Do not include me in it because if the OP is any evidence, I am not thinking straight. That includes backhanded, sarcastic remarks.
OT: Chances are, the kid doesn't understand what he's singing and is simply performing so that he will get parental approval (or at least avoid punishment) but yeah, it would be nice if we as Christians could get a consistent definition or rating of importance of specific individual bible verses.
Personally I am waiting for the pilgrimage of the Jacket. Where Christians from all over the world go to some small town in the middle east carrying a new jacket to give it to a small statue of Saint Paul, simply because St paul said to some guy in the 1st century "bring me a jacket".
One does not need evidence that God does not exist. The claim of a god existing is an extraordinary claim (regardless of whether you believe or not, one must admit that the idea of a god is extraordinary, whether true or false).zehydra said:Anyway, there is no evidence to suggest that a God does not exist. That is, the existence of a God is non-falsifiable, it cannot be proven true or false. So any claim that believing that God does not exist is based on Scientific inquiry rather than belief is pure bullshit.
I never said they were equally justifiable within the frame of practicality. The truth is, either a God exists or it doesn't. You've chosen to place your bets on that he doesn't.Insomniac55 said:One does not need evidence that God does not exist. The claim of a god existing is an extraordinary claim (regardless of whether you believe or not, one must admit that the idea of a god is extraordinary, whether true or false).zehydra said:Anyway, there is no evidence to suggest that a God does not exist. That is, the existence of a God is non-falsifiable, it cannot be proven true or false. So any claim that believing that God does not exist is based on Scientific inquiry rather than belief is pure bullshit.
As such, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim!
Let's make an analogy... say, the question of whether Unicorns exist or not.
Now, I've never seen one. I've never seen any convincing evidence that they exist, nor are there any phenomena which could only be explained by the existence of unicorns. While I'll accept there is a possibility they exist, until the evidence is presented I can be almost certain that they don't. There is no proof that they exist, and no proof that they don't. However, this does NOT, I repeat, NOT, make the two positions equivalent.
I don't need to prove Unicorns don't exist. In fact, it would be impossible to do so as it is logically impossible to prove a negative. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, else they are unfounded.
The same arguments follow for the existence of God. Neither side has proof that they are correct, however, God's existence can only be confirmed if there is proof that he does, in fact, exist! It's impossible to prove that he doesn't. The burden of proof is on the ones making the extraordinary claim, and the default position is therefore that he does not exist, until proven otherwise.
If you're gonna believe in God, I won't tell you you're wrong. But don't pretend the two positions are equally justifiable, because they simply aren't. That's not how logic works.
Nah he is, it'd be cold there otherwise.217not237 said:I refuse to accept that Freddie Mercury is in Hell.
Actually, it's an old Christian folk song. Johnny Cash just thought it would be neat to do a darker cover (and neat it was).Freechoice said:A bunch of atheists should march into a church and sing that.
Meh game, great OST.