It's like they're just TRYING to make it harder for people like me to call themselves Christians. Believe it or not, though, these people WILL believe that they're the ones being persecuted.
Ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven
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Pretty much this. I don't think we really need to go into detail about how reprehensible the actions in the video are.MasterOfHisOwnDomain said:
Also, if only bigots and relgious assholes are allowed into heaven, then it sucks to be there.
I would argue that faith is safe.Daystar Clarion said:
Religion is bad.
Mostly because an idea as abstract and easily molded as faith should not be shoehorned into something as rigid and potent as a group.
The moment you equate judging a religion with questioning the faith of people identifying as members of that religion you have solidified your group as invincible and it paves the way to grave misdeeds all over the place.
Here is a good example of my point. The "group" of America is collectively put up for the actions of a small group of faithfuls. [And yes, I am hard pressed to find support that hardline bigoted people are a majority stake in the US.]Dr. Pepper Unlimited said:
Basically they are protected behind a shield of expected ignorance because of their nationality.
And I realize that the awesomely named DPU (I really do love your name, DP is awesome ) is probably joking, but it seemed like a timely comment.
Religion is fine, until people get involved.Daystar Clarion said:
But in terms of the OP: And people wonder why I wish all religions would make informed decisions about things and not what a book written by people we would throw into an insane asylum today!
Exactly my thought. Kids will do whatever their parents think is cute. The standing ovation from the room full of people and the guy proudly crowing, "That's my boy!" are far and away the most disturbing part of this.Instant K4rma said:
"Our beliefs dictate that some people will be tortured for an eternal afterlife. This kid just reminded us of eternal torture of a fellow human being. Cue the standing ovation."
Even if you subscribe to the rather goofy belief system, why is that cause for applause? Is next week "Ain't no adulterers gonna make it to heaven"? Then Atheists, Hindus, and those who covet their neighbor's goods?
>.> Most religion has always been against Homosexuals it not a surprise that the would teach there children the same thing, I honestly do not understand why you all are so surprised.
It is more like "Our right to have marriage unaffected by gay marriage that will not effect our marriage or Church is more important to than few thousand rights gay couples who likely have far better relationships than any one in our church has being able to have such rights!" but I like the one you gave, it is more condensed and holds the same weight. Far easier to chant at those morons as well. Mine is even bad as an acronym.Vault101 said:
well good, by their text Hitler has a good chance of being in Heaven... do you want to spend eternity with Hitler?
THIS! This is one of the best answers Ive read in a forum post for sometime. Bravo, just bravo! Stupid people will always be around and will always find something to put up as a front for their atrocious behavior.Daystar Clarion said:
You mean like Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the masses"TheYellowCellPhone said:
I originally saw this on MSNBC (on one of their more liberal shows) and they were able to make that link. They're teaching their kids hate, which ultimately hurts them--or something like that. It makes sense.BathorysGraveland said:
Did I not reply to you? Oh well, sorry if I already did. So anyways coming back to quickly read through this thread and finding all the tangential arguments surfacing all over the place I find you reply one of the most quoted. Very interesting what you said and to a considerable degree I agree.Daystar Clarion said:
Like politics. Or music. Or games. Or those other things people get really pissed off and argue the toss about but to a lesser degree than religion.Daystar Clarion said:
OT: Hah. I don't care if I don't make it to their heaven, mine will have blackjack and hookers.
And my parents wonder why I hate kids. They just follow what they're told in the end, and blast their stupidity across.
And, the Bible's not right. It states that women are the most precious thing a man can have, and then some other ancient texts related to the Bible say that woman are just sexual-objects. The Bible can't even get itself right - so who the hell is this kid to say it is, especially when all the RME teachers leave out all the gorey and mature stuff and religion gets so much hate for, and claim that they're just bigots?
Sorry if I rambled on, but honestly, this fucking pisses me off to no end.
And, the Bible's not right. It states that women are the most precious thing a man can have, and then some other ancient texts related to the Bible say that woman are just sexual-objects. The Bible can't even get itself right - so who the hell is this kid to say it is, especially when all the RME teachers leave out all the gorey and mature stuff and religion gets so much hate for, and claim that they're just bigots?
Sorry if I rambled on, but honestly, this fucking pisses me off to no end.
Nice christ picture.Saulkar said:Really?! I mean... fucking really?!
People are calling this child abuse, indoctrination, vile, I call it fucking retarded. Seriously, in the age old question when did anyone ever know what God's opinion on homosexuals is? Who are they to judge?
No disrespect to peaceful people of faith but it is shit like this experienced in real life that made me reject organised religion. Especially what they are doing to this kid? I am hoping this kid does not understand what he is say because I sure as hell would have at that age. Now I kept this in the off topic section to avoid making this a (flaming argument) strictly religious debate (which it will unfortunately become without a doubt) so what do you gals and guys have to say about this?
KEEP IT CIVIL
NOTE: I am pretty miffed by this video and thus my OP is pretty much nonsensical so I will now leave this forum and allow you hopefully (not gonna happen) have a civil, open discussion about this. And please Do not include me in it because if the OP is any evidence, I am not thinking straight. That includes backhanded, sarcastic remarks.
OT: Chances are, the kid doesn't understand what he's singing and is simply performing so that he will get parental approval (or at least avoid punishment) but yeah, it would be nice if we as Christians could get a consistent definition or rating of importance of specific individual bible verses.
Personally I am waiting for the pilgrimage of the Jacket. Where Christians from all over the world go to some small town in the middle east carrying a new jacket to give it to a small statue of Saint Paul, simply because St paul said to some guy in the 1st century "bring me a jacket".
I've always felt that religion is a needed aspect of reality, for two reasons.Daystar Clarion said:
For one, I'm not too keen on living in a world where we're just resigned to this being it, so that's my personal opinion on the ideas of religion, but more importantly, it's served as a binding agent for society for thousands of years. Maybe some feel that it's evil or unneeded, but I doubt a case could be made that there was a better force for bringing together people. Even if it's not true and there is nothing out there, at least it's played a roll in forming civilizations. I doubt we'd have nearly as much to be proud of as a race without religion. Even if its time of relevance is fading away, which I'm not too sure it is, we should give it credit for playing a big part in human advancement.
Oh, and bigots need no flag or religion. Removing it wouldn't stop stupid. No force can defeat stupid.
OT: Hopefully a point will come where the child will realize what he said, and hang his head, otherwise he'll just grow into one of the audience. Here's hoping, eh?