Why were they even at the convention in the first place? It's hard enough to be seen as a legitimate interest without this kind of pandering going on. I'm suddenly wondering if there's a comic book stand at an erotica convention.
Alleged Underage Porn Sales Ban Suicide Girls From Comic-Con
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There are a lot of liability concerns that any business needs to be aware of and adhere to while administering. There are laws covering this that can be as harsh as with tobacco and alcohol. The law might be different in other countries, but while Comic-Con operates in the US it has to adhere to all federal laws as well as state and local.
There is a lot of gray here since the allegations haven't actually been proven, but oversights can happen and I find the Con to be quite fair that they are allowing this group to return next year.
That's the fact. Here's my opinion: Frankly I could care less if they are at the con or not. I respect their pursuit of what they want to express, but I really don't care for the way they express it.
Guess his age and what he does for a living.
Speaking as someone who has had to card people for alcohol and tobacco to those who are finding this so unfair, you can trust I have a thick skin about any attempts at whining or bullying that are attempted. My job, freedom, and savings are not worth your laziness and/or immaturity.
There is a lot of gray here since the allegations haven't actually been proven, but oversights can happen and I find the Con to be quite fair that they are allowing this group to return next year.
That's the fact. Here's my opinion: Frankly I could care less if they are at the con or not. I respect their pursuit of what they want to express, but I really don't care for the way they express it.
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Guess his age and what he does for a living.
That would be Bill Gates, 22 yrs old and already running Microsoft. Before he is 30 it will already be the largest OS producer. Not to mention making him the richest man in the world for a span of time. Just because someone wears an important title like Board Director doesn't mean they are over 60. And I would card him for anything with that face.
Well said. Since this detail didn't come up in the article it leaves me wondering if it really did occur, but the fine for not carding for an age-minimum item can result in a very hefty fine for both the offender and the employer and/or location the trangression occured. Considering the Con would have opened itself up to inescapable legal matters as well as civil suits, they are being very fair by suspending these girls for only year.armaina said:
Speaking as someone who has had to card people for alcohol and tobacco to those who are finding this so unfair, you can trust I have a thick skin about any attempts at whining or bullying that are attempted. My job, freedom, and savings are not worth your laziness and/or immaturity.
Mystery shoppers sent to check for carding practices have to be over 18, or 21 if the check is for alcohol. The practice is already borderline entrapment, which is why the police usually leave private institutions to implement it. Using someone under 18 would be illegal for more than just entrapment.swolf said:
I am willing to bet that what the Suicide Girls sell isn't the only age-required product being sold at the Con. It would behoove the administrators to implement such checks, but your method is illegal itself.
As for your comparison to witch trials, feel free to see the end of my previous post.
I don't know much about these "Suicide Girls" but didn't they appear in a music video with Lemmy?
It could be a PR disaster if news got out that Comic Con was allowing booths that sell porn to minors to be set up.AndyFromMonday said:
It is an unfortunate, but reasonable move.
If undercover police officers are allowed to pose as buyers of drugs for drug busts, why is posing as a buyer of alcohol entrapment?samsonguy920 said:
Make me wonder how many people clicked because they thought they'd find information about underaged suicide girls.
Cause I know damned good and well thats exactly what I was expecting.
Cause I know damned good and well thats exactly what I was expecting.
Oh, I could disagree, and show tons of studies about the adverse effects of pornographic material on those who are not mature enough to handle the material, but something tells me you would just disagree with it on the very faulty "I watched it an I am fine" basis.AndyFromMonday said:
Silly researchers being all objective and stuff.
OT: I am a fan of Suicide Girls. I was a huge punk when I was younger and I never quite grew out of liking the look. Sad that they won't be attending. It's only cause they are popular, used to see underage kids walk out of comic cons all the time when hentai videos.
It's a touchy subject when dealing with someone who runs a convention like that, a key point that is missing here is if the people who didn't card him knew who he was. Having worked at a casino, it goes all around when there is a big wig coming through. I don't think most vendors would have carded the guy.
When it comes to another person who was "Definatly under 18" buying something that was supposed to be "X" rated, there seems to be details missing here. Did the director card the kid?
While it's hard to put my finger on, I've gotten the impression that "The Suicide Girls" have been having problems for a while now. I can't say why. I don't think it has anything to do with them being "attention hungry poseurs" or whatever because that would pretty much summarize any modeling agency out there. I'm not a big "Suicide Girls" fan so I don't follow thingc closely, the last things I've seen they were connected to were an apperance in "Hack/Slash" and providing some of the scream queens for the "Wizard Of Gore" remake.
I'm guessing that for whatever reason Comic Con didn't want them around for whatever reason. Simply because in most cases where something like this happens the employee who messed up with the ID would be kicked, and a warning would be issued. Banning an entire organization that way over an ID check pretty much doesn't happen without something else going on. I know this because the casinos where I've worked have rented space to conventions of various sorts, and as I was security I know how this kind of thing tends to go down. The company/vendor blames their employee for not doing what was told, the employee gets a warning (or fired/removed/transferred back to where they normally work), and it's a done deal.
I'll also say that from what I've seen of "The Suicide Girls" they have really cleaned up their image over the last few years as well. Truthfully I'm not sure if they still produce much stuff that would count as truely "X rated" anymore. I seem to remember a number of their models were kicked because of all the Goth/S&M/Fetish/Erotic Suicide/etc... stuff and they imposed some relatively tight standards on what they would allow to be connected to the label.
There is a lot of confusion over what is allowed within what rating level, largely because few producers bother to defend themselves adequetly nowadays. To put things into perspective breast nudity and the like is PG-13. Some might remember an old joke about this in the "Scream" movies where a girl tells a horney guy climbing into her bedroom that he'd
have to settle for the PG-13 version before flashing her tits. Skimpy/form fitting outfits, T&A, etc... none of that even hits an "R" rating, though there have been demands for changing how the ratings are defined I do not believe it ever actually happened.
The point of all this rambling is that in that enviroment, with this specific group, I can't see there being too many things that they would be carrying over the counter that would require a hard "18+" age to begin with.
Such are my thoughts, chances are we'll never know the whole story. To me it sounds hokey.
When it comes to another person who was "Definatly under 18" buying something that was supposed to be "X" rated, there seems to be details missing here. Did the director card the kid?
While it's hard to put my finger on, I've gotten the impression that "The Suicide Girls" have been having problems for a while now. I can't say why. I don't think it has anything to do with them being "attention hungry poseurs" or whatever because that would pretty much summarize any modeling agency out there. I'm not a big "Suicide Girls" fan so I don't follow thingc closely, the last things I've seen they were connected to were an apperance in "Hack/Slash" and providing some of the scream queens for the "Wizard Of Gore" remake.
I'm guessing that for whatever reason Comic Con didn't want them around for whatever reason. Simply because in most cases where something like this happens the employee who messed up with the ID would be kicked, and a warning would be issued. Banning an entire organization that way over an ID check pretty much doesn't happen without something else going on. I know this because the casinos where I've worked have rented space to conventions of various sorts, and as I was security I know how this kind of thing tends to go down. The company/vendor blames their employee for not doing what was told, the employee gets a warning (or fired/removed/transferred back to where they normally work), and it's a done deal.
I'll also say that from what I've seen of "The Suicide Girls" they have really cleaned up their image over the last few years as well. Truthfully I'm not sure if they still produce much stuff that would count as truely "X rated" anymore. I seem to remember a number of their models were kicked because of all the Goth/S&M/Fetish/Erotic Suicide/etc... stuff and they imposed some relatively tight standards on what they would allow to be connected to the label.
There is a lot of confusion over what is allowed within what rating level, largely because few producers bother to defend themselves adequetly nowadays. To put things into perspective breast nudity and the like is PG-13. Some might remember an old joke about this in the "Scream" movies where a girl tells a horney guy climbing into her bedroom that he'd
have to settle for the PG-13 version before flashing her tits. Skimpy/form fitting outfits, T&A, etc... none of that even hits an "R" rating, though there have been demands for changing how the ratings are defined I do not believe it ever actually happened.
The point of all this rambling is that in that enviroment, with this specific group, I can't see there being too many things that they would be carrying over the counter that would require a hard "18+" age to begin with.
Such are my thoughts, chances are we'll never know the whole story. To me it sounds hokey.
I've been to plenty of conventions in my lifetime. Since I was 14 (and very young looking for my age too.) my friends and I were able to walk right up to the booths set up by porn stars, fetish models, and distributors of erotic materials (Including the Suicide Girls). The most they ever got out of me was "Wait are you 18 or over?" All we'd do was say yes, and that was the end of it. I've see fathers bring their children up to those booths, and prepubescent kids try their game on models, and yet I've never seen anyone carded at a convention in my lifetime.
PS: Yes, I am fully aware in the irony of my name.
Huh? Most 36 year old women would kill to look 18 at that age... Some people eh?SenseOfTumour said:
As for the suicide girls, it can be said with confidence that whoever wants to ban those lovely ladies is clearly a fag... Or a homo... Or a homofag...
I don't think the commenter was asking for your morality, nor do they likely care.Hardcore_gamer said:
Whether you like it or not, these things happen. You can get on board and work towards education, or you can be nuts and achieve absolutely nothing.
I think it's good it's being banned. If they aren't checking for ID's then they are not doing their job correctly. It's the fault of the people for not checking ID's honestly.
So good on them.
So good on them.
This reeks of faulty logic, this guy says he saw a person under the age of 18 purchase pornographic material, yet he presents no evidence to support his claim. On top of that, if this was the case, then does he really have the right to critique them when he didn't stop the underage individual?
Either way, I have no issue with the Suicide Girls being at Comic-Con. I'm still amazed at how stuffy society is towards sexuality and the human body still, like porn is some kind of corrupting force. People need to bloody relax and take a breather, if you don't like porn, fine, don't visit their booth.
Either way, I have no issue with the Suicide Girls being at Comic-Con. I'm still amazed at how stuffy society is towards sexuality and the human body still, like porn is some kind of corrupting force. People need to bloody relax and take a breather, if you don't like porn, fine, don't visit their booth.
That usually stems from the individual however, not the porn. It's just the "video games cause violence" debate all over again, people blame external factors when it's really the actions of the individual that matters.tthor said: