Samurai Goomba said:
There is, however, no way to say this nicely. While I have great respect for your contributions to the escapist forums in most discussions, I feel you're just plain wrong on this point, or are giving undue weight to certain areas.
That's fair enough. It'd be boring if I was right all the time.
I think you've made some tremendous leaps of faith though with my train of thought.
And I think we'll leave the question of whether it was right to post it to those involved. Two gents discussing whether ladies have a right to post something would shatter the irony meter.
It's not right that you should have to "suck it up" when you feel unhappy. It isn't. And you shouldn't. WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT and so forth.
Yep
However, this is EXACTLY the excuse given for why many men will decide all women are evil, or all women are only good for sex, etc.
Whoa...hold on Skippy!
WHOA MULE WHOA....
Let's step back a bit.
You're talking about these lot aren't you?
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming
We may recognise these little tykes from online games and forums. They aren't representative of us in any way. They also will say they'll fuck anything that comes their way. That's not misogyny, that's mindless misanthropy. Huge difference.
Do you perhaps remember me apologising for David Icke or Keith Vaz (as they're Leicesterites)?
'Kay. I don't think you should feel obligated, though.
I do though. And so does Susan and the others from their posts. We care about how our particular group is viewed, but it's incredibly difficult to look after all of the mouths at once.
The insinuation women are smarter is as laughable to me as the claims made on the Nice Guys forum that women are only good for sex.
They're emotionally smarter because they have to be. We get off really lightly in puberty given what women go through, and they have to learn how to cope with their body. We don't. Never have done really. We just fall back on fight/flight.
so some of the guys will respond with insinuations of violence because they've been hurt in the past and want to associate payback. This isn't a bad thing. Sorry, I really think it is.
This is catharsis in the same way that an FPS or a driving game is. Except, unlike these examples, this "catharsis" is damaging to real-life people and affects society at large when enough people believe it.
You want to pick a YouTube video at random and see how may insinuations of violence there are on it? Do you think they bleed through to the real world? Do you think Religion, Politics, Science, Cheese, Grapes, DRM don't cause these same insinuations?
Your opinion doesn't sound unclouded by anger if you're saying women kinda deserve to be railed against by sexist men because OH NO those men got dumped.
And if I had have said that, I would have kicked my own ass. What I'm saying is that guys that get dumped rail against women. No deserve in there. It's an excuse, nothing more. And not a valid one. Equally the women who rail against men.
For every case like yours where a genuine nice guy got thrown over for no good reason (my assumption), there's an imbecile who THINKS he is amazing who women rightly steered clear of when they realized he's a creepy Kevin Bacon serial killer in the making.
Agreed. But a lot of those Kevin Bacon types are actually serial womanizers. They're not representative of the "nice guy", they're just appearing as it.
but I see a lot of sexism online
Man, I see far more sexism in real life.
and I don't think these kinds of articles help.
I think they do. Susan and co. definitely think they do. On the balance of probabilities, they have a better chance of being right, as they have a LOT more experience in that area.
As I said, you can see evidence of sour grapes morphing into "women who aren't nerds like Susan are evil and mean" sentiments already in the comments.
Again, ANY YouTube video. This is nothing to do with reaction to Susan's words.
Well, I've got a billy club. You round up the woman-haters, I'll bop 'em on the head while you shove a picture of Mary Wollstonecraft in their faces.
There's a little bit more to it than that...
GunboatDiplomat said:
Germaine Greer once wrote something like "most women have no idea how much men despise them."
She also said "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever. "
But the one I like for this situation is
Germaine Greer said:
The most threatened group in human societies as in animal societies is the unmated male: the unmated male is more likely to wind up in prison or in an asylum or dead than his mated counterpart. He is less likely to be promoted at work and he is considered a poor credit risk.
Root of all evil, I'm happier you seem to be on the soft, fluffy end of misogyny rather than the physically violent end.
Oh, you little tease with your insinuations.
mi·sog·y·ny n.Hatred of women.
That's funny, I thought I was defending Susan and co. No matter.
Here's a funny little thing though, Gunboat. Try typing misogyny, misanthropy and misandry into the spell-checker. Which one does it ignore as a real word?
Which one doesn't seem to be recognised?
(By the way, I do love the way you've managed to turn a discussion on dating into one on abuse, battery and rape - that takes real misdirection)
For an example, how about this?
Or as one of your fellow travellers puts it:
Fellow travellers? Doc Theta Sigma? That's quite a strange link to make, given that the only thing we really share is being male. Do you have a dislike of men, Gunboat? Would you call it a hatred?
Either way, I don't think I'll be paying you any more attention. Your blatant use of smokescreens, absurd reductions,
ad hominem attacks and trying to relate your privileged position to the women who suffered to bring you freedom sickens me.
