Unfortunately, gaming (not just video games, all kinds of gaming) is still seen as a nerdy hobby. I still don't understand people who seem to say that your hobby is more important than the rest of you.
An Apology to Jon Finkel
- Thread starter Susan Arendt
- Start date
Its all part of appealing to the right demographic. Those Webby awards all take work dammit!Aardvaarkman said:
This chick will probably start to get desperate in her mid thirties when the realization hits that her life isn't like an episope of 'Sex in the City'.
Then she'll probably settle for the first wanker that crawls along that fits her narrow definition of acceptable.
Then she'll probably settle for the first wanker that crawls along that fits her narrow definition of acceptable.
Haters gonna Hate. Strut on, Jon Finkel, you god among godly men. She did you a favor, man--she revealed how shallow she was at the start, saving you time, money, and hope. There will be others, possibly even those who seek you out because of how big this story has gone, and would like a decent guy, but are amazing enough to realize that everyone has different interests. If she wants to be the emotionally judgmental equivalent of a high school sophomore, then let her find someone similar, that they might judge each other as much as they like.
Special thanks to Susan for starting this up, and to all the ladies who want to show that they have their geeky sides too, or at least support men who are unafraid to show theirs. You all are amazing.
Special thanks to Susan for starting this up, and to all the ladies who want to show that they have their geeky sides too, or at least support men who are unafraid to show theirs. You all are amazing.
Yeah, she handled it fine.Vuirneen said:
She was nothing if not a quick learner. Still have 'em and their successors, though many are so close to disintegration from use that they're relegated to warm-fuzzy-memory symbols. Don't have the heart to wear the few good pairs either.:/
It's amusing to see how political one bad date gets, isn't it? I suppose there are always going to be people on both sides of the battlefield, which is what makes a healthy debate.
Gunboat, I'm not the dating police, nor do I agree with your viewpoint, but I respect your right to have it. I don't think my rage at this article is even really connected with the fact that I knew who Jon Finkel was prior to reading the article. It was just a demonstration of behaviour that I personally find reprehensible. To dismiss someone based on the fact that they are different reminds me of schoolyard bullying... and I can't stomach it.
I do, however, agree with you that everyone is entitled to be with the partner of their choice. I just don't believe that you should reject a person just because they do something different to you. That's my opinion. It is neither right nor wrong. But I support the idea of an apology - does everyone remember the little girl who was bullied for having a Star Wars lunch box? Good.
But I heartily congratulate you on the ability to inspire a healthy debate over gender roles. Good work!
Gunboat, I'm not the dating police, nor do I agree with your viewpoint, but I respect your right to have it. I don't think my rage at this article is even really connected with the fact that I knew who Jon Finkel was prior to reading the article. It was just a demonstration of behaviour that I personally find reprehensible. To dismiss someone based on the fact that they are different reminds me of schoolyard bullying... and I can't stomach it.
I do, however, agree with you that everyone is entitled to be with the partner of their choice. I just don't believe that you should reject a person just because they do something different to you. That's my opinion. It is neither right nor wrong. But I support the idea of an apology - does everyone remember the little girl who was bullied for having a Star Wars lunch box? Good.
But I heartily congratulate you on the ability to inspire a healthy debate over gender roles. Good work!
Who is this Alyssa and how can I send her *hate mail?
*By hate mail, I mean a strongly worded letter indicating that I disagree with her opinion...and some magic cards.
*By hate mail, I mean a strongly worded letter indicating that I disagree with her opinion...and some magic cards.
Well it's a good thing I don't like to do nerdy things like play video games and post on internet forums, I might get shamed by some lady on a date.
Oh wait...
Oh wait...
Every few years in europe a few countries get to vote in a referendum relating to the European Union as it slowly changes our constitutions. Most of the time I vote No for a variety of reasons. Then I look at some of the other people who vote No - for quite different reasons. The religious right wing (such as it is in europe), various conservative, nationalist and even fascistic elements also vote No. Jean Marie Le-Pen and his Front National are big "Non" advocates most of the time.Susan Arendt said:
I still vote No but I do stop and consider am I objectively doing the right thing? Perhaps the reasons I'm voting No aren't what I conciously consider. Or perhaps the effects of my voting No won't result in an outcome I desired.
I don't understand why people feel the need to apologize for other people's actions, but whatever.
Not only that, but at least you're having to play smart in magic where as poker is usually just luck and how well you can bluff. Seriously, what did she want? To date some guy only interested in buying sports cars and showing them off so he can having admiration from his peers, but nothing concrete like tournament winnings in the form of cash?Monoochrom said:
Anyway, good article. Whether a woman harping on a man about it or vice versa, it's wrong either way.
It'd be different if she wasn't such a fkn munter herself. It's almost like she has this list of traits that she needs in a man, but she's dating online because men who see her face to face, know her, and who 'tick all the boxes' are out of her league. Like that Carrie in Sex in the City with the face shaped like a pork chop - is that who she thinks she is!
Too many chick flicks have convinced too many average women that Hugh Grant or some other tosser is waiting for them. What is wrong with a honest bloke with a harmless hobby, moreover when you make $300,000 a year from it... it's ok Gawker, I'm sure Mr.Right is right around the corner, hitting on your better looking friends.
Too many chick flicks have convinced too many average women that Hugh Grant or some other tosser is waiting for them. What is wrong with a honest bloke with a harmless hobby, moreover when you make $300,000 a year from it... it's ok Gawker, I'm sure Mr.Right is right around the corner, hitting on your better looking friends.
Okay. I find the idea of spending hundreds of currencies on pieces of printed paper with dragons on them kind of pathetic, but this woman was out of line to a disgusting degree. It's gratifying to see how much shit she got for writing that, because she deserves every bit of it.
I second this, the names in that article mean nothing to me, not saying it's right just that I have no idea.Abandon4093 said:
IT is useless to be ashamed for someone who doesn't appear to know the meaning of the word. I wish I had been able to find out the details without having to follow the links to the original Gawker article as I don't like supporting people like that and every unique IP that reads her article is going to be counted as a success.
People like her are the reason people like me tend to be lonely. They don't let things rest at "This is not going to work out", but rather feel the need to publicly humiliate those they don't like for their own amusement with no consideration for how that may affect the object of their ridicule. For myself, I have thankfully managed mature with a healthy sense of self (some may disagree) that is not based on the opinions of others. Unfortunately, many are not able to easily shrug off the words and opinions of those who denigrate them. She should never have been allowed to publish that article as it was. Any decent editor (and there is always someone in ultimate authority as to what is allowed to be published under a brand) should have at a minimum made her rewrite it to protect the identity of her unfortunate date. He may not have treated her to the most romantic experience but nothing described deserved the vitriol she wrote towards him (personally I consider a play based on J Dahmer's life to be poor taste but not worthy of social castration).
I am glad to see other women stepping up to denounce her actions and remind us that not all of them are sadistic psychos. It is a good thing to remember that in general the extreme minority which acts badly tends to receive all of the attention, thus coloring our perceptions of the entire group.
People like her are the reason people like me tend to be lonely. They don't let things rest at "This is not going to work out", but rather feel the need to publicly humiliate those they don't like for their own amusement with no consideration for how that may affect the object of their ridicule. For myself, I have thankfully managed mature with a healthy sense of self (some may disagree) that is not based on the opinions of others. Unfortunately, many are not able to easily shrug off the words and opinions of those who denigrate them. She should never have been allowed to publish that article as it was. Any decent editor (and there is always someone in ultimate authority as to what is allowed to be published under a brand) should have at a minimum made her rewrite it to protect the identity of her unfortunate date. He may not have treated her to the most romantic experience but nothing described deserved the vitriol she wrote towards him (personally I consider a play based on J Dahmer's life to be poor taste but not worthy of social castration).
I am glad to see other women stepping up to denounce her actions and remind us that not all of them are sadistic psychos. It is a good thing to remember that in general the extreme minority which acts badly tends to receive all of the attention, thus coloring our perceptions of the entire group.
You honestly don't think your adjectives are a bit over the top? "Public humiliation" "Morally bankrupt" "unprofessional"?Myan said:
How on earth is Alyssa being unprofessional as a journalist. Journalists write about their own experiences all the time. Sometimes they change names, sometimes they don't. If its a celebrity they usually don't. Did she lie about any aspect of the date or Jon? No. Did she make derogatory comments, true or otherwise? No. Is it Pulitzer prize winning material? Hardly.
"Morally bankrupt" Woah woah. Colonel Gadaffi is morally bankrupt, Shell is considered, by some, to be morally bankrupt. Bernie Madoff, Conrad Black, theres no shortage of people who are morally bankrupt. What version of morality if you consider a harmless aricle about a minor celebrity to be in the same league as Bernie Madoff? How would you describe, in moral terms, Bernie Madoff now that you've used up that phrase? Morally genocidal? I'm no fan of Bernie Madoff but that might be going a bit far.
"Public humiliation" Alyssa did NOT humiliate this guy. All she did was tell the truth about his hobby, publicly. Of course he was embarrassed by this because, well its an embarrassing hobby in most peoples eyes, at least at that level. Yet he doesn't hide it, good for him. I was a runner up in a D&D competition in Reading a few years ago. I still love to game. Not something I bring up on a first date. Duh.