Analyst Calls The Old Republic a "WoW Clone"

[Infernai]

Disappointing Wish they'd gone with KOTOR 3 (stock answer I know but I really do!)

Ok, i'm not even gonna bother counting anymore *blasts aerowaves with force lightning* Do i look like i enjoy shocking people who say that with force lightning?..Ok, yeah i kinda do, but it is getting annoying.

 

[Speakercone]

People will defend this game a lot but yea I assume it would be a wow clone. I mean it looks like one.

Please name one mmo that looks drastically different than WoW

Spiral Knights.

Point taken, however. Most MMOs on the market are indeed WoW style hotkey MMORPGs. I kinda get why companies do this, it's a proven formula that can and does generate a lot of sales. But surely you'd want to offer something different and new rather than trying to compete directly with Blizzard.

 

[sdc10]

Yeah.. not going to get TOR. They've already released one pile of shit called DA2, and I'm not paying a monthly fee for this. Seen gameplay footage, and the graphics are poor and outdated. WoW looks better.

I'll try Guild Wars 2 over TOR. There's no monthly fee.

The same team that made DA2 is not working on TOR so that comment pretty much just shows your ignorance.

 

[Charli]

WoW is wildly successful. Since when is pulling aspects of WoW into a game a bad thing? It shows that they're making the same conclusions as Blizzard did, instead of trying to be different for the sake of being different from WoW.

Lesson learned, analysts can be trolls too.

Doing what WoW does and doing it better is a tremendous undertaking and some people think it foolhardy and time/money wasting. I do not blame them.

One day something will come along to pull the 11million Zombies away from Azaroth but I don't think Lucas' drug induced mindsmoothie is going to be the one to do it.

 

[adamtm]

People will defend this game a lot but yea I assume it would be a wow clone. I mean it looks like one.

Please name one mmo that looks drastically different than WoW

Hmmm ok

Eve Online
Atlantica Online
Perpetuum Online
Ryzom
APB: Reloaded
Black Prophecy
Taikodom
Darkfall
DC Universe
Earthrise
....

 

[adamtm]

WoW is wildly successful. Since when is pulling aspects of WoW into a game a bad thing? It shows that they're making the same conclusions as Blizzard did, instead of trying to be different for the sake of being different from WoW.

Lesson learned, analysts can be trolls too.

Doing what WoW does and doing it better is a tremendous undertaking and some people think it foolhardy and time/money wasting. I do not blame them.

One day something will come along to pull the 11million Zombies away from Azaroth but I don't think Lucas' drug induced mindsmoothie is going to be the one to do it.

I read this somewhere and find it very fitting:

"Only WoW can kill WoW"

i.e. only Blizzards new mmo Titan can kill WoW or rather make it dissolve since before titan the last patch will make WoW F2P for sure.

 

[JediMB]

Ah, yes, "analyst".

We have dismissed that claim.

 

[Littlee300]

From what I learned, It's not realy no. Either the guy is talking out of his ass or what I learned about the game so far is complete stupidity.

You'd think the escapist staff would see that and just ignore him..

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

People will defend this game a lot but yea I assume it would be a wow clone. I mean it looks like one.

Please name one mmo that looks drastically different than WoW

Err...I can't that's my point exactly.

 

[sdc10]

People will defend this game a lot but yea I assume it would be a wow clone. I mean it looks like one.

Please name one mmo that looks drastically different than WoW

Hmmm ok

Eve Online
Atlantica Online
Perpetuum Online
Ryzom
APB: Reloaded
Black Prophecy
Taikodom
Darkfall
DC Universe
Earthrise
....

I assumed when he said "looks" he meant how the game played, not graphics wise. In that sense all mmo's generally look the same.

 

[sdc10]

WoW is wildly successful. Since when is pulling aspects of WoW into a game a bad thing? It shows that they're making the same conclusions as Blizzard did, instead of trying to be different for the sake of being different from WoW.

Lesson learned, analysts can be trolls too.

Doing what WoW does and doing it better is a tremendous undertaking and some people think it foolhardy and time/money wasting. I do not blame them.

One day something will come along to pull the 11million Zombies away from Azaroth but I don't think Lucas' drug induced mindsmoothie is going to be the one to do it.

I read this somewhere and find it very fitting:

"Only WoW can kill WoW"

i.e. only Blizzards new mmo Titan can kill WoW or rather make it dissolve since before titan the last patch will make WoW F2P for sure.

No way WoW will ever go F2P, do you honestly think a company is going to get rid of a giant money maker like that? It doesnt make any sense.

 

[kidd25]

still i am a review type of guy, but a MMO that feels like kotor with a good...Great story is complete fine by me. I only hope that grinding will be kept to a few quest and then move on! also im a KOTOR fan, so i don't care if he says it plays one way, i have the force, lightsaber, and choices... WOW would you care to show me how the hell, i mean where do the starwars and you cross?

 

[adamtm]

WoW is wildly successful. Since when is pulling aspects of WoW into a game a bad thing? It shows that they're making the same conclusions as Blizzard did, instead of trying to be different for the sake of being different from WoW.

Lesson learned, analysts can be trolls too.

Doing what WoW does and doing it better is a tremendous undertaking and some people think it foolhardy and time/money wasting. I do not blame them.

One day something will come along to pull the 11million Zombies away from Azaroth but I don't think Lucas' drug induced mindsmoothie is going to be the one to do it.

I read this somewhere and find it very fitting:

"Only WoW can kill WoW"

i.e. only Blizzards new mmo Titan can kill WoW or rather make it dissolve since before titan the last patch will make WoW F2P for sure.

No way WoW will ever go F2P, do you honestly think a company is going to get rid of a giant money maker like that? It doesnt make any sense.

In fact I will bet money on it that it will go F2P a year before Titan is released.

P2P models are being slowly phased out and the last thing blizz wants is to compete with itself for subs.
An item-store is already being softly introduced into WoW, the array of paid services expanded over the years (name changes, realm transfers, etc.)

For WoW to go f2p is the only logical step in any future scenario. It wont run forever, its not going to snowball into infinity, its going to be phased out as an f2p title, just like other p2p mmos have done recently (AoC, DDO, LoTRO...)

 

[adamtm]

People will defend this game a lot but yea I assume it would be a wow clone. I mean it looks like one.

Please name one mmo that looks drastically different than WoW

Hmmm ok

Eve Online
Atlantica Online
Perpetuum Online
Ryzom
APB: Reloaded
Black Prophecy
Taikodom
Darkfall
DC Universe
Earthrise
....

I assumed when he said "looks" he meant how the game played, not graphics wise. In that sense all mmo's generally look the same.

I picked those games specifically because they play completely different from WoW.

 

[fundayz]

Ah, yes, "analyst".

We have dismissed that claim.

How so? Not only is Doug Creutz the Vice President of Cowen Group he is also a Senior Reseach Analyst focused on media an entertainment.

And before you say "I've never hear of them", Cowen group is a New York based investing firm founded in 1918 with ~$347 million annual revenue and branches all over the world, including London, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Munich.

Putting quotation marks around his title doesn't take away his MBA, specialization in media and entertainment, his MS or his AB from Duke University. He knows more about media, entertainment and their market that you can ever hope to know.

This doesn't prove him right about everything he thinks, but give credit where credit is due or else you're just a troll.

 

[JediMB]

Ah, yes, "analyst".

We have dismissed that claim.

How so? Not only is Doug Creutz the Vice President of Cowen Group he is also a Senior Reseach Analyst focused on media an entertainment.

And before you say "I've never hear of them", Cowen group is a New York based investing firm founded in 1918 with ~$347 million annual revenue and branches all over the world, including London, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Munich.

Putting quotation marks around his title doesn't take away his MBA, specialization in media and entertainment, his MS or his AB from Duke University. He knows more about media, entertainment and their market that you can ever hope to know.

This doesn't prove him right about everything he thinks, but give credit where credit is due or else you're just a troll.

It's a simple matter of specialized knowledge by far trumping an analyst's more generalized "big picture" knowledge, to the point where statements such as what we got are almost entirely worthless.

 

[fundayz]

It's a simple matter of specialized knowledge by far trumping an analyst's more generalized "big picture" knowledge, to the point where statements such as what we got are almost entirely worthless.

You honestly think he doesn't know the intricacies of the sector he works in? I would I agree if this was a normal business analyst but man works in the media and entertainment sector, that includes all video games.

/laugh

 

[Zukhramm]

No way WoW will ever go F2P, do you honestly think a company is going to get rid of a giant money maker like that? It doesnt make any sense.

It's not going to remain that way forever. Even the longest lasting game will fall in popularity eventually, and when it does, it's probably a good move to switch to a business model that fits the current interest in the game.

 

[rsvp42]

Something I stated on the TOR forums:

The "WoW-clone" attack is a particularly virulent myth that ignores realities of the genre and the game itself and is also dripping with unexamined negative connotations. First, vast differences in the games are ignored in spectacular examples of straw-man fallacies; Second, the comparisons that ARE appropriate are not sufficiently shown to be negative factors.

The subconscious meme that prevails among haters is that "WoW = bad, anything WoW-like in a new MMO = bad," yet this premise is based on gut reactions and opinions. The problem is that everyone's sitting here defending attacks, but rarely are the basis of those attacks called into question. People say "WoW-clone" like it's a dirty word, never understanding what they mean when they say it.

 

[neonsword13-ops]

Arn't all MMORPG's WoW clones? (Star Trek online, Final Fantasy XIV)