Anime and Internal Logic
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And whats worse is when a show like Naruto starts out following its own rules and having to have characters work with them or around them......and then completely abandon them.
PROOFREADINGParagon Fury said:
Just kidding. With Naruto, it's obvious Kishimoto can't decide how much technology his world has.
It occurs to me that we really only have problems with misrepresentations of other people's cultural artifacts, not our own. We don't mind if vampires drink blood or drain life force or just eat like normal people, are immortal or not, age or don't, turn to ash in sunlight, have to be staked through the heart or shot with a silver bullet, turn into demons, have super-strength, or shoot lasers out of their hands, but if ninjas aren't dressed in black and silently assassinate people...well that's just wrong.FalloutJack said:
That was my least favorite part of all of Bleach.madwarper said:
I guess you would say it's gotten better...probably. My least favorite part of Bleach is several things that happened during the current arc, although it seems to be improving...or maybe getting even worse? It's all a mystery.Capitano Segnaposto said:
I'm a zillion chapters behind in Naruto and am unlikely to catch up, but didn't Kabuto explain the Edo Tensei has basically no restrictions at all?Sniper Team 4 said:
This. Every media has internal logical inconsistency. Particularly anything long-running. Star Trek is particularly guilty of this, having multiple layers of logical inconsistency.IllumInaTIma said:
And this. Shonen anime tends to be pretty awful in my experience. Come over to the Shoujo side of the Force. We have magical girls.triggrhappy94 said:
An interesting take on things, Cake Doctor, but you imposed a generality on me. I don't believe that ninjas are often assassins in black. There may have been some, but those are what drive the kinds of tropes that inevitably lead to Dr. McNinja, so you know it can't be the norm.Dr. Cakey said:
Many of the historical ninja were peasants, oftentimes such people who can't afford a sword and thus improvise with what they've got. The notion of the silent killer comes from the idea that...in war time if nowhere else...peasants did not care HOW they dispatched a samurai, who is built for a stand-up fight. Peasants are not warriors. They just want the enemy dead. What lead to the black-clad figures was likely misinformation and tall tales to give others a degree of concern and to look for the wrong thing.
The idea that the farmer, the butcher, the common worker...would do things in a shouty manner is preposterous, because he (or she) would DIE. A little truth-in-tale from Rurouni Kenshin is that most commoners weren't even allowed to own a sword even if they could buy one. It was a higher-class thing. No sword means no easy way to deflect those keen-cutting blades, so a stand-up fight is out of the question most of the time. Killing silently isn't just better. It's required as a survival trait!
Naruto doesn't follow this. If anything, it's suppose to take after Japanese legends and the romantic notion of the ninja itself, not the historical ones. The thing about that, though, is that it doesn't fit the romanticism either. I can't really think of any sort of ninja - fictional or non-fictional - that acts like any of these people. Bruce Lee is quieter, and he outright beats the crap out of everyone! (Though, he had several cases of sneaking around and using disguises effectively in movies.)
I didn't make the comment idly. I meant it. And if someone from Japan who knows history better than I do (probably alot) would like to step forward, I'll gladly discuss it, but in the meantime I have to stick with my guns on this one.
Yea thats pretty accurate The Kunai was a favourite weapon of the ninja because it was their equivalent of a trowel a very common farming tool. If they got caught with it they could just pretend they were on their way to work.FalloutJack said:
The black costume is actually from Japanese theatre the stage hands would dress all in black an would be ignored by the audience, so if director wanted to shock his audience with a surprise attack he would have one of these black costumed prop men jump out from the background. an that?s how the ninjas ended up with the black pj's.
Just thought you might be interested
From what I remember, the only rules that it has is you need to make living sacrifices to bring back people. Other then that, it's just a level of mastery that determines who you can bring back, how much of them you can bring back and how much control you have over them.Dr. Cakey said:
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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
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Look down now back up,where are we I'll tell you we are in Kishi studio where he is working hard daily for your enjoyment,what's in your hand I have it,it's naruto manga,the manga is now happiness.
Anything possible when you stop being a Hater,I'm having fun dudududu ^_^
I'm guessing you're referring to the 4th ninja war with that Attrition comment,in which case when did they say it was a war of attrition? The best I can recall shino while fighting zetsu clones said it might become an war of attrition simply because of how many/durable they were and how they were ending up in a stalemate,the commanders never went out of their way to make it an attrition war.Paragon Fury said:
As for technology,it hasn't been perfected yet with either only important people/institutions having it or it being useless for wartime/battles. Example the portable earpiece radio is extremely short ranged and you can't kill people with tv's [well you can but it not practical]. Also telepathy is much better think about it-it has no limit in range-you can contact anyone regardless of their position and it can't be intercepted!!
I agree with the bolded part 1000%Dr. Cakey said:
Also naruto wiki has all the answer's:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning%3A_Impure_World_Reincarnation
Well "soon" could mean anything with these manga but the current story arcs for both Bleach and Naruto are definitely the final arcs. As for One Piece....well apparently it only hit the halfway mark at the time skip so if we were to take that literally then we're looking at another 600 chapters or so.Capitano Segnaposto said:
And like someone else already said, Bleach has really come out of its slump since getting into this final story arc.
I suppose I could recommend Full Metal Alchemist, if you hadn't seen already.
Which you should have.
for a long time already.
FMA keeps it's rules very simple, and then sticks with it, bringing it up many times again to have it bite characters in the ass.
If you have to pick between the first series or the brotherhood series, the first one had better pacing and atmosphere, while brotherhood has a stronger second act and supporting cast, and is more light-hearted if you're into that.
both are quite excellent though.
Which you should have.
for a long time already.
FMA keeps it's rules very simple, and then sticks with it, bringing it up many times again to have it bite characters in the ass.
If you have to pick between the first series or the brotherhood series, the first one had better pacing and atmosphere, while brotherhood has a stronger second act and supporting cast, and is more light-hearted if you're into that.
both are quite excellent though.
maybe, but the point is more about the essence of the archetype or myth in question, vampires are meant to be parasitical in some form and have a weakness for sunlight, among other things, look up Twilight and it's critisisms for referance on that.Dr. Cakey said:
although the black pajama's are not the core essence to a ninja (and quite silly anyway), the stealth aspect is, taking a medieval knight and call him a ninja because, "hey, they both fought and killed people" does not make it a ninja.
I thing Naruto comes a lot closer to a fighting monk, focussed on the perfection of his fighting skills for his own noble purposes rather than a code or creed, exposing injustice rather than quelling it in the dead of night.
you know, like a ninja would.
Easy explaination - that whole ending is made up. It is filler. The manga did not have it at all, read the mange if you want to know what actually happened.Paragon Fury said:
Internal logic is a big thing with all media and they try to keep it consistent but when you have multiple writers and years worth of lore it is hard to keep it all straight. In serialized TV, budget allowing, they usually have a guy whose purpose is to check upcoming scripts for inconsistencies. Also, like the case with Naruto, you start of world bulding and have a neat concept, like ninja's in a semi-modern age, but as you develop the story it will take on a life of it's on and you either have to retcon what you established earlier or just ignore it.