Anonymous Attacks US Government
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Hmph! Well I see that Anonymous is quite an annoyance. However, I doubt they can really do much to change our position on Copyright law.
Logan Westbrook said:
Yes, because every Anon is pro-piracy.
Seriously, get your facts right. Anon is more than that silly /b/ only.
I know there's an intolerance towards piracy here that borders on frothing at the mouth, but they aren't attacking the whole US government, they're attacking a part of it. The name Payback derives from various intellectual rights companies paying server sites to DDOS places like the Pirate Bay. It is useless in this case for either side to claim an unimpeachable moral high ground. Those who pirate everything and don't spend a penny ought to be slapped silly, but cyber-dickheadedness and litigious claims for impossible sums of money from individuals is not going to lead anywhere but... well where we are now, pointless DDOSs and much whining in the press.
Also, typo on the last paragraph:
Also, typo on the last paragraph:
Logan Westbrook said:
please dont give neone the idea to hack a missile silo and launch a nuke (if its possible they might do it)although hilarious it might cause ww3TimeLord said:
The attack did little more than put the website down for 30 mins, but look how its getting press.... It may have physically done little to actually hurt them, but it served a purpose of letting people know what their motives are and getting coverage which is what anonymous thrives on
You can't really defend piracy with the First Amendment. Let me remind you that the constitution guarentees the rights of live, liberty, and pursuit of happyness: and that your rights end when anothers begins.
Whether you like it or not, either a person or a corperation owns that particular software, song, etc. As the supreme court recently decided, corperations have basically the same rights as human beings (hence why they are now able to run ad campaigns).
If you own something, it's yours. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. If you wish to distribute it, you may either do it for free, or for profit. If you decide to sell it for profit, then Copyright is essential to ensure that not only are you turning a profit, but anyone stopping you from doing so will be brought forward and punished for doing so. Saying the First Amendment supports piracy is like saying going into a 7-11 and stealing is alright. The only difference is music and movies can be seen in a non-physical context, where as that Slurpee and SlimJim cant (unless there is a torrent for Slurpees).
That being said, they really crossed a line. Theres a difference between crashing a server because the game developer pissed you off, and crashing a government function just cause you can get prosicuted for stealing Avenged Sevenfold songs.
Whether you like it or not, either a person or a corperation owns that particular software, song, etc. As the supreme court recently decided, corperations have basically the same rights as human beings (hence why they are now able to run ad campaigns).
If you own something, it's yours. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. If you wish to distribute it, you may either do it for free, or for profit. If you decide to sell it for profit, then Copyright is essential to ensure that not only are you turning a profit, but anyone stopping you from doing so will be brought forward and punished for doing so. Saying the First Amendment supports piracy is like saying going into a 7-11 and stealing is alright. The only difference is music and movies can be seen in a non-physical context, where as that Slurpee and SlimJim cant (unless there is a torrent for Slurpees).
That being said, they really crossed a line. Theres a difference between crashing a server because the game developer pissed you off, and crashing a government function just cause you can get prosicuted for stealing Avenged Sevenfold songs.
really i think it makes perfect sense these guys more then likely are smart enough to have more then enough brains to not be caught, also if they continue they might get into night time newsDirewolf750 said:
Anonymous is merely the calling card used by activists unwilling to give out their identity, usually because they're breaking the law at some point.Talvrae said:
Anyone can be part of anonymous, and it can have any target.
The ignorant tend to think of 4chan as being the 'home of anonymous', but it's merely the largest of it's kind, therefore you'll find that most 'projects' surface there at some point looking for supporters and strength in numbers.
Oh Anon, you're so fucked. First rule of politics: If you piss off the USA they will fuck your shit up.
First off, stop using the tired, bullshit "but it's stealing!" argument. It's inherently invalid. The only similarity between piracy and theft is that you receive something for free. Theft legally requires the victim to be deprived of their property. Since piracy involves just making a copy, it is not theft. It's nothing like theft.Uber Waddles said:
Secondly, you're referring to the Declaration of Independence, which doesn't actually have any effect on American law. As far as I can recall, there actually is nothing about theft explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, though I'm sure it's been added through common law over the years.
Third, you are 100% correct with regards to piracy not being acceptable. It's kinda ridiculous that we've reached the point where so many people think it is acceptable, and in some situations just, to use the fruits of another's labor without paying a cent.
Finally, there really isn't a difference between crashing a game server and a government server. If anything, targeting the government is the better option. Government is a necessary evil, and while it is truly necessary, we, and it, need to remember that it is evil. Targeting government institutions with anything, especially when you're trying to protest government actions, is always a good idea.
You fail to see the problem, anon isn't one person, it isn't just a group of people, its a HUGE group of people. They all need to be lucky, to not get caught, and our government doesn't even need to catch them. Anyone can be anonymous, and thereby the government can just stop anything they do form occurring. It just not good all over.Gamegodtre said: