Anonymous Attacks US Government
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Anonymous is merely the calling card used by activists unwilling to give out their identity, usually because they're breaking the law at some point.Talvrae said:
Anyone can be part of anonymous, and it can have any target.
The ignorant tend to think of 4chan as being the 'home of anonymous', but it's merely the largest of it's kind, therefore you'll find that most 'projects' surface there at some point looking for supporters and strength in numbers.
Oh Anon, you're so fucked. First rule of politics: If you piss off the USA they will fuck your shit up.
First off, stop using the tired, bullshit "but it's stealing!" argument. It's inherently invalid. The only similarity between piracy and theft is that you receive something for free. Theft legally requires the victim to be deprived of their property. Since piracy involves just making a copy, it is not theft. It's nothing like theft.Uber Waddles said:
Secondly, you're referring to the Declaration of Independence, which doesn't actually have any effect on American law. As far as I can recall, there actually is nothing about theft explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, though I'm sure it's been added through common law over the years.
Third, you are 100% correct with regards to piracy not being acceptable. It's kinda ridiculous that we've reached the point where so many people think it is acceptable, and in some situations just, to use the fruits of another's labor without paying a cent.
Finally, there really isn't a difference between crashing a game server and a government server. If anything, targeting the government is the better option. Government is a necessary evil, and while it is truly necessary, we, and it, need to remember that it is evil. Targeting government institutions with anything, especially when you're trying to protest government actions, is always a good idea.
You fail to see the problem, anon isn't one person, it isn't just a group of people, its a HUGE group of people. They all need to be lucky, to not get caught, and our government doesn't even need to catch them. Anyone can be anonymous, and thereby the government can just stop anything they do form occurring. It just not good all over.Gamegodtre said:
they do not forgive, they do not forget, they are legion
.......ya know, they are quite an entertaining group aren't they.
.......ya know, they are quite an entertaining group aren't they.
Interesting, I have to give them credit for actually doing it.
To be honest with you I have issues with the current system for copyrights and intellectual properties, but I don't go as far as Anonymous does in my beliefs on the subject.
Largely because I feel it gets into the broader issue of intellectual property rights, and the right of a creator to see returns on their investment. I have issues with nations like China analyzing drugs like Viagra and then selling them globally without the permission of the creators (Pfizers) who invested tons of money.
Now granted that is more of a patent issue than a copyright issue, but I feel they are connected. Simply put I have issues with "robber economies" like China's that rise to prominance on the creations of other groups.
On the other hand I do agree with Anonymous that copyright laws are going too far. For years I listened to Harlon Ellison who is a good writer, whining that schools were only buying a couple copies of his work and then making copies of the relevent portions they wanted to examine to distribute to students, rather than buying a copy for every student (or making them buy a copy). I understand his points, but I still feel in practice that it's a bit ridiculous.
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As far as repercussions for Anonymous, it will be interesting to see if the US goverment can actually do anything about them. There might be a few arrests, but the nature of Anonymous means that this probably won't even slow them down. Given the difficulty of dealing with other computer crimes, including things like child pornography distribution, I can't see even the US being especially effective in this case.
To be honest with you I have issues with the current system for copyrights and intellectual properties, but I don't go as far as Anonymous does in my beliefs on the subject.
Largely because I feel it gets into the broader issue of intellectual property rights, and the right of a creator to see returns on their investment. I have issues with nations like China analyzing drugs like Viagra and then selling them globally without the permission of the creators (Pfizers) who invested tons of money.
Now granted that is more of a patent issue than a copyright issue, but I feel they are connected. Simply put I have issues with "robber economies" like China's that rise to prominance on the creations of other groups.
On the other hand I do agree with Anonymous that copyright laws are going too far. For years I listened to Harlon Ellison who is a good writer, whining that schools were only buying a couple copies of his work and then making copies of the relevent portions they wanted to examine to distribute to students, rather than buying a copy for every student (or making them buy a copy). I understand his points, but I still feel in practice that it's a bit ridiculous.
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As far as repercussions for Anonymous, it will be interesting to see if the US goverment can actually do anything about them. There might be a few arrests, but the nature of Anonymous means that this probably won't even slow them down. Given the difficulty of dealing with other computer crimes, including things like child pornography distribution, I can't see even the US being especially effective in this case.
That's very interesting, thank you. I mean, it goes to show all of the crazy conflict that goes on in the US! The Magna Carta is no longer a valuable/valied document over here- the UK practices an unwritten constitution. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but it does mean we don't have these legal issues.Arec Balrin said:
I think I would take less exception to this if it were the dignified approach which you describe, but it isn't. The first amendment doesn't allow, nor condone theft, because you are infringing on someone else's rights, which is what piracy is. Sure those rights are practiced by the rich and evil media corporations, but isn't that what a free capitalist country protects?I guess the argument remains whether or not music/film/game downloads fall into the "written word" category, or the "product" category (where they currently are). I guess moving out, it also means you have to consider whether a product needs to be physical, or whether or not a product can be treated as such when there is no solid form to it. Again, this is something the US does with it's amalgamation of religion and state.
Personally, I think anonymous are cheap little kid/student skanks, that want to have their cake and eat it. They want quality, and they want free, and it supports the ruin of the entertainment industry, purely because "rich people never starve". If there is a way to do it cheaper without the boss loosing money, they will, which will encourage redundancy and cheaper product. Though I approve of their mission against oppressive forces in the world, such as Scientology or bigots, I think they are now becoming blind to who the real enemies are. My two cents. Cheers!
I don't know if I've been ninja'd on this... but most of them wear masks or hide their face in some way.Harbinger_ said:
Why didn't they just call it "Operation Immaturity: Ruining the internet for those that deserve to use it"?
Actions like this are nothing but counter productive. Instead of throwing little hissy fits like children, they should be adults and do things the right, legal way.
Oh, wait. That would require them to be responsible people, and actually show their faces, instead of hiding behind computers like cowards.
Actions like this are nothing but counter productive. Instead of throwing little hissy fits like children, they should be adults and do things the right, legal way.
Oh, wait. That would require them to be responsible people, and actually show their faces, instead of hiding behind computers like cowards.
