Anonymous Attacks US Government

[thirion1850]

Rofl. Can't wait to see where this goes. :3 Pirates on steroids... has a ring to it. x3

 

[Raesvelg]

There is no obvious reason for why you would do that.

Not one that YOU can see at least. Which actually rather proves my point. Very thoughtful of you.

For what? You should have addressed it to Tdc2182.

But I addressed it to you.

Maybe you can figure out why.

I won't hold my breath though.

 

[Aesir23]

Now if only they would go after the greedy bastards in the Music Industry.

 

[ZephrC]

I really want to not have any sympathy for Anonymous here. They're really just a bunch of stupid, over-entitled kids that have no idea what they're talking about.

But... I kinda have to say that intellectual property rights in America are so massively fucked up beyond all recognition that setting up a system where people were just allowed to steal things with no consequences would probably be less stupid than what we have.

Not that I think that's really a good idea, but still...

 

[herpaderphurr]

A lot of it is just "HURR Anonymous is Legion lol were so randum and edgy XD" bollocks. The whole "Anonymous protesting against Scientology/RIAA/Copyrighters through DDoS and real life protests" is a bloody joke now, and a bad one at that.

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

Actual protests? Highly doubtful. Anon is a bunch of neckbeards too busy screaming at people on MW2 or playing wow and fapping to dead dog pics.

Now, this is a long thread and I apologize if this was brought to your attention before, but you do realize Anonymous managed to assemble worldwide protests against the Church of Scientology not too long ago, yes?

You'd be surprised at how these people could consist of more than just the trolls on /b/ and /v/.

 

[Imat]

Well I don't particularly support what they're fighting for, but to their credit, at least Anonymous gets shit done. How many other protest groups can say the same?

Do they though? What has changed as a direct result of the site being down for 30 minutes?

Well I imagine that if they continued their rate of annoyance they may change some political minds.

However what they really achieve is keeping the issue in the spotlight. Besides, its called Operation Payback, I don't think they're looking for solutions.

Yeah, they'll change political minds alright. Pretty soon every single politician who was on the fence about how to deal with all things internet-related will fall on the anti-freedom side of it all. This lot is doing nothing but proving that we can't handle freedom, that clearly we are all little children playing with big, dangerous toys.

Picture if you will the final episode of Firefly, that amazing, amazing show. River picks up what looks like a branch in her mind, but turns out to be a gun. Does everybody say "Oh, clearly she can handle it, now she's picked it up?" The answer to that is no. Everybody fears for their lives. And when you fear for your life, you tend to want to make the source of the fear go away.

Anonymous has now proven that they have no desire for actual internet freedom. They simply want to create internet anarchy, and that is something I will not/cannot abide. Boo on you, Anonymous. I don't often say this, but I truly hope your computers all burn to the ground in a blaze of glory. And that this continues to occur for every computer you purchase ever.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

and has organized actual physical demonstrations to take place tomorrow in various cities around the world.

Couldn't the police then proceed to control the situation and have them arrested for computer hacking?

and also, at least they're fighting what they belive in, it may not be legal, but not that many protest groups can say that they made a change..

 

[Kyp]

I'm not going to weed through 12 pages, but I had to just say that this was clearly and act of cyberterrorism and should no more be applauded than the murder of innocents by Middle Easterners.

 

[Free Thinker]

I don't support piracy, but I do support any motion to stop Anti-Piracy Lawas that stretch into areas outside afformentioned boundaries. So, bravo Anon, bravo.

 

[mega48man]

Well I don't particularly support what they're fighting for, but to their credit, at least Anonymous gets shit done. How many other protest groups can say the same?

amen. they do get shit done. although, i kinda wished they let the piracy thing kept underground rather than public. by putting piracy at the center of public attention (and in such an extreme manor) then all pirates, like you and me, are going to become targeted by the the copyright companies even more than before.

 

[Raesvelg]

You dismissed the Batman aspect but still act like you were addressing me for a reason. I wasn't the one ignoring all the historical and cultural aspects, but I now know you have an issues with words, so the confusion is understandable.

I was right.

It was wise not to hold my breath.

The irony of this situation is fundamentally appealing to me, but I don't expect you to understand why. I suppose, in the interest of furthering your rather limited understanding of the situation, that I can elaborate somewhat on the matter.

To be more specific, since you seem to have difficulty understanding your OWN position:

In light of your recent tactic, it has also become hypocritical, considering you outright ignored the clearly contradictory fact of historical evidence: that a much more openly agnostic nation celebrates the associated holiday with no pro-theocratic intentions at all. This introduces yet another fallacy of assuming your current, scant investigation supersedes the traditions of people going back hundreds of years.

Right about there was when you betrayed your abominable ignorance.

I can spell it out for you one last time.

THEY CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT HE FAILED.

Your entire argument here, in the above quote, collapses upon itself into a singularity of idiocy.

Guy Fawkes has been misappropriated as an anarchic folk hero by people as uninformed and intellectually lazy as yourself.

Get the joke now?

Mr. Obtuse?

GET IT?!?!

Funny, right?

 

[Ghengis John]

It infringes on already existing rights; so-called 'natural rights'. These are ideas that go back to the Magna Carta and were given distinct form in the Enlightenment, which is reflected in the constitution of the United States. You have the right for example to write stuff and pass it around; by what right does anyone else have to physically stop you putting a pen to paper? The First Amendment forbids the US government from making any law that infringes on this. But a special exception is made for copyright.

This is the lamest thing I've ever heard. The Magna Carta? You just want to waste your time with entertainment you didn't pay for. This is not a grand crusade, you just find anti-piracy laws inconvenient towards your accumulation of hoarding "free stuff" but that wouldn't fly so you've papered over that with a half-assed justification. Tell me you don't download things you're expected to pay for. My guess is you can't.

You know what's wrong with your little analogy? If you write stuff and pass it around it came from you. Nobody stops you from putting pen to paper under copyright law, you're free to create whatever you want, CREATE. And if you wanna spread it around, that's cool. That's your work. We have things like that, we call them freeware. If the guy who wrote something doesn't want you passing it around you do not posses the right to do so. It's his work. In legal terms that's called being a dick. You are not respecting his or her wishes. You are forcing your wishes upon them and they are helpless to resist. You are a rapist. Why is it that there is some magical disconnect for pirates when it comes to intellectual property? (Besides convenience?) If a man labors on a table do you just walk into his home and declare "you cannot own the IDEA of a table, man." Likely you would soon become intimately familiar with some hand-tool if you did, but that asides how can you not comprehend that you are stealing? Stealing things is not covered under your freedom of expression.

 

[Dastardly]

It's incredible.

The ONLY THING that copyright law does in this country is prevent you from getting a copy of something you haven't paid for. That's IT. And yet people continue to talk about how it's interfering with the artist's rights in some way. Or that it's somehow abridging free speech?

Unless the "free speech" you're fighting for is, "GIVE ME YOUR STUFF FOR FREE," I'm just not understanding the "cause."

Anon is now just a bunch of children who've learned a few computer tricks, and they're using them to "stick it to the man," which here means, "Whine about rules I don't like because they stand between me and free stuff." And every single individual who jumps on this particular bandwagon with them is equally stupid and immature. We do NOT need any kind of government that listens to people like that. Ever.

It never ceases to amaze me at how the only "right" people seem to want to band together over is their "right" to be complete dickbags for no reason, apparent or otherwise. Really? That's the right you're going to war over?

 

[Arec Balrin]

Thank you Ghengis for that rant against opinions I don't even have.

 

[Torrasque]

Can't they be tracked with an IP address or something? Jeez!

Although respect to them, if they say they will do something, they will do it at least lol.

question...if they attacked us, how would we know?

I'll just say that although it was only for half an hour, Anon taking down the site for any amount of time proves one thing: that they can.
If they attacked you, you would only know if you knew what to look for, or they wanted you to know.
In this case, they probably didn't care that much to keep the site down for that long, and/or they want people to know that shit is getting done, so they'd go after a more juicy target next time.

 

[ShadowAurora]

cowards plain and simple hiding behind the internet to commit felonies i think the ones who show up in person have my respect

 

[RaikuFA]

this will not end well

 

[Raesvelg]

What's funny here is that I never even bothered to pinpoint what was being celebrated, let alone the many other details I circumvented. Like I said to the other ignoramus, I was just telling him where he was wrong. This doesn't mean I said what was right.

You seem to have a reading comprehension issue, because I clearly pointed out the faulty rationale that Tdc2182 was using, by asking him whether he thought the people celebrating the holiday were pro-theocratic. He didn't bother to respond to it, because he couldn't properly answer without debasing his foundation. I wasn't the one ignoring the blatant dissonance in logic.

If you don't get it by now, you should have never addressed me with the position you supplied. I was the one pointing out that he is being obtuse by conflating the current mask-wearing trends into somehow sympathizing with a pro-theocratic proselytizer. There is no such sentiment at all, and it is a foolish consideration to bring up.

Also you both need to get a fucking clue. They're simply following the dude from V For Vendetta. Apparently it is too far out there to expect people from the internets to get a 4 year old movie reference.

Shovel faster, someone might buy it.

The point, specifically that people have misinterpreted the Guy Fawkes mask, specifically BECAUSE of V for Vendetta, was brought up at the very beginning of this little debacle. It's what's mentioned in the Cracked article that was used as a source. Did you even bother to read it?

You're not fooling anyone. At least I hope not.

Incidentally, the word you're looking for, rather than "pro-theocratic proselytizer", is "Papist".

 

[Ericb]

Just went to check it at the time of this post and 4chan is offline.

Good night.