Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future

Jumplion

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Gaderael said:
Okay, looking back on it, perhaps you folks do have a point and he should have, at the least, posted links refuting the Archbishop's statements instead of just assuming that we all knew about the other news article that have been posted on The Escapist.
That's another thing that somewhat worries me, leaving out key information and whatnot. Though taking things out of context/leaving out details is a problem for most news stuff.

See? Now we are imputing our opinions and our arguments, rather than the news reporting. If this is your argument, that is fine, despite me disagreeing with your use of it. This professional news article, however, should strive for as little personal bias as possible, especially with a volatile topic like this.

Shadow-Phoenix said:
Jumplion said:
Shadow-Phoenix said:
What exactly would you have said had that blow not been in place of the article i would love to know.
Ideally, nothing, as that would undermine the point of "objective journalism". At the very least, ask the audience their thoughts.

But, if forced, as someone had interestingly put, I would put how if SCOTUS had ruled against the video game industry/EMA it would have restricted the rights of the parents that he so lovingly puts on a pedestal, rather than helping them.
My question is why isn't he helping them?.
I dunno, that's for us to debate and argue, not the news reporter.
 

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Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.
You just lost about 50 respect points. Had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Terribly prejudiced and unreasonable. I was expecting to see a few wags in the comments thread but I didn't expect that from you, Vansau. To think I respected your intelligence and maturity and here you go and act like such a spiteful little troll. That was stupid of you, and I will think the less of you for it.
 

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freaper said:
starwarsgeek said:
vansau said:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have
That was completely unnecessary.
I agree with this man. Even though what some priests did was awfully horrible, you can't keep using the same argument over and over in unrelated topics.

It's as if France replied to a request from Germany with: "Talk to the hand, Nazi bastards"
Godwin's Law

OT: Anyways, this was bound to happen, so I'mma just ignore it, as it's another person with little knowledge on the subject saying that it's bad because supposedly games aren't restricted enough (I'm an Aussie, so we know about restriction in vidja games). As for the pedopriest jab, I think it's fair enough; it wasn't generalised (depending on how you read it) and it does make a point. How damaging are violent video games compared to the MINORITY of catholic priests who have been accused of pedophilia and protected by the Pope? See where I'm coming from? (Not directed at quote, directed at everyone)
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
He's almost right, but still wrong.

Parents who don't control what their kids come in contact with are poisoning the future. Games are just the medium used.
+1

We all blame the parents, but honestly, if the majority of parents believe that violent games do nothing to the brain of a child, then we're going to get more violent youth, desensitised and ready to become the next trained soldiers of the future for the government to use and abuse.

If all races and cultures agreed and became friends, we'd no longer need these killing machines, and violent games would be banned as needed. Nuff said.
 

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vansau said:
That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.
I lost a bit of respect for you there. I figured we evolved past such low blows. Sure, what the archbishop said only makes sense to other brain dead human beings that believe games threaten the American way (or whatever). However a comment like that is not something many of us want to hear from you guys because most of us hold all of you to a higher standard.
 

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I don't think anyone realizes that there either is a current ratings system in place, or that the current ratings system ISN'T a government-controlled system. When I posted the story of the decision on facebook, someone asked if the decision meant that underage kids could get their hands on M games.

People are just extremely misinformed. Someone needs to actually inform them.
 

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vansau said:
Not trying to cast aspersions just based on appearance but I wouldn't trust him around children. On the subject of protecting children I think the Catholic Church is in a very poor position to start making dictations about what is right and wrong for children considering how many of their members they allowed to sexually abuse children, defend the perpetrators from prosecution, and intimidate the victims to never tell anyone... even seeking help.

And to be fair, it's not JUST the Catholic Church, it has been revealed many other Christian denominations that are secretive, insular and with powerful hierarchy have protected child abusers.

The problem is they aren't REALLY interested in protecting children, they are interested in protecting the ideals of their organisation.

Either way, it's the fox guarding the chicken coop.
 

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starwarsgeek said:
vansau said:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have
That was completely unnecessary.
If the archbishop wants to use crappy logic and base his argument on a very small number of cases then why can't we do the same?
 

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Jumplion said:
Gaderael said:
Okay, looking back on it, perhaps you folks do have a point and he should have, at the least, posted links refuting the Archbishop's statements instead of just assuming that we all knew about the other news article that have been posted on The Escapist.

That's another thing that somewhat worries me, leaving out key information and whatnot. Though taking things out of context/leaving out details is a problem for most news stuff.

See? Now we are imputing our opinions and our arguments, rather than the news reporting. If this is your argument, that is fine, despite me disagreeing with your use of it. This professional news article, however, should strive for as little personal bias as possible, especially with a volatile topic like this.

Shadow-Phoenix said:
Jumplion said:
Shadow-Phoenix said:
What exactly would you have said had that blow not been in place of the article i would love to know.
Ideally, nothing, as that would undermine the point of "objective journalism". At the very least, ask the audience their thoughts.

But, if forced, as someone had interestingly put, I would put how if SCOTUS had ruled against the video game industry/EMA it would have restricted the rights of the parents that he so lovingly puts on a pedestal, rather than helping them.
My question is why isn't he helping them?.
I dunno, that's for us to debate and argue, not the news reporter.
Okay you say, and I now agree you are right, that he should haveput in some points refuting the Archbishop's statements that he made in the article. That being said, leaving out what the Catolic Church has done to harm children would be just as bad. It's be like reporting on the remarks of a Tobacco executive saying something about how laws against smoking are hurting free speech or some other nonsense but not pointing out what the Tobacco industry has done as background.
 

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vansau said:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases>done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have.
I shouldn't laugh...oooh i know i shouldn't but holy cow xD

Still though



OT: *Sigh* still going back and forth on this subject are we?

Can't it just drop already, it's been proven loads of times that what games do to kids is little to nothing. -.-
 

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natural law and natural rights
Fine, go live in a cave and have every muscle head thug who comes accross you nick all your stuff, thats the natural law and rights, non-existant. Our society puts unnatural constraints on what a person can or cant do and is all the better for it.
 

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I just wish to point out that the purpose of the article is about SCOTUS decision and an archbishop's response. Not the sex abuse scandal. Since the sex abuse scandal seems to be the prevalent stream of thought here is my response.

1.) People in the Church screwed up. No one will deny that. All men and women are sinners, and though we believe that the Church as the bride of Christ is perfect the people who make up the Church are not. Sometimes we handle things in the wrong way. Not everything with regard to the scandal was done with malicious intent. In charity I think that has to be stated. The Church has apologized for the abuse, knowing that the apology does not change what has happened. The Church is doing what it can to make sure it does not happen again.

2.) The Church in America has been striving to make the Church a safer place for children. In 2003 the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB)came out with the Dallas Charter. The Charter puts into place rules and regulations that must be followed in every diocese. Every bishop but one agreed to the Charter (The one who did not agree did so for theological reasons, but in practice actually has more stringent rules than the charter itself). If you have not read the Charter I invite you to read it, at least the preamble. http://www.usccb.org/ocyp/charter.pdf

3.) As recently as May the Vatican released its own guidelines that different bishop conferences should use in developing their own rules about how to deal with priest abuse cases. Please keep in mind that if you read this, that the Church is writing the guidelines to fit all countries and Catholics world wide. There are still some countries where being a Catholic is still illegal. This document is found here: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20110503_abuso-minori_en.html

4.) The Church operates in two spheres both civil and ecclessial, so the Church has to operate in both civil and Canon Law. With regard to a priest accused (whether guilty or not) there needs to be justice for both the victim and the accused. Justice here means not punishment, but giving what is owed to a party. A victim of abuse should be given support and all the help that they need to find healing. A priest who is guilty should be taken out of public ministry. A priest who is accused and is not guilty should not be permanently taken out of ministry because of a false accusation - It is sad to say that this does happen at times.

5.) The Church has the obligation to witness and teach the truth. Chaput, other bishops, priests all have this obligation. Whether it be about Pro-Life issues, healthcare, whatever the topic. If the topic touches upon young people, we know that the scandal will be brought up. Regardless we will teach what we believe is the truth.

6.) On a personal note: the scandals are harsh. I have been a priest for two years in Massachusetts. I have seen the hurt that it has caused and I have seen the effect. If I am wearing my collar down the street or in the mall, I have seen parents move to the other side of them as though they are afraid of me because I am a priest. I have been yelled and cursed at for crimes that I personally did not commit. I don't blame people for doing this. This was caused by a small number of very sick individuals and the Church did fail in protecting people from them. I entered into priesthood knowing this was the case. I can only witness to the truth that I know, and love those that God has placed in my life.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or comments.
Fr. Peter
 

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Ranchcroutons said:
Wheres the button where i can "report" the author for making offensive statements against Catholics?

Thats seriously just getting offensive
#1 It is a fact

#2 It is relevant

#3 The church is not religion. It is not the people. It is entirely possible that an organisation can be corrupt, yet the communion still be good people with good values.

The teachings of Catholicism are not in question (on this issue at least (pro-homosexuality/abortion issues MAY be anti-catholic)), it is how the Church itself has not followed their own interpretations of scripture that they themselves assert are absolute, from GOD, not from themselves.

Look, when an Archbishop says something to do with children - unlike when any punter says something - he is banking on the reputation of the organisation he is a leading member of. A reputation that has been utterly tarnished by the organisation's utterly hypocritical conduct.

How can this Archbishop say his perspective on the church opposing children being "poisoned" by violent media when the organisation coveted these crimes against children for DECADES!

You know what I read in this context? I see that the organisation - ultimately - doesn't give a damn about children, they give a damn about OPEN flouting of morality, they are prepared to excuse the most horrific sex crimes as long at it can be covered up with no attempt at penitence or EARNING forgiveness.

And that I take as 100% bullshit covering-their-own-ass.

My point here is when it comes to the ordinary plebs, Catholic Priests have always told criminals that they can ONLY have absolution by confessing their crimes to the police, accept their punishment and repent their sins. But when their own members commit sex crimes, they cover it up, even intimidating the victims to silence with no attempt at justice, penitence or forgiveness. The church abuses their power as arbiters of their faith to "absolve" them for political convenience.
 

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"Admittedly, Chaput does acknowledge that he doesn't think all games are bad, but he does note his problem with the fact that the recent decision "extends and elevates the individual's right to free expression - or in this case, a corporation's right to make a healthy profit - at the expense of family sovereignty, the natural rights of parents and the intent of the Constitution's authors.""

It's already been stated there's " about fifty things wrong with this," but....

-It actually doesn't extend anything, this was a decision on whether or not California could expand the definition of " obscenity."
-Corporations would readily make a healthy profit without this ruling. It does nothing to it.
-There is no expense to family sovereignty. Parents can still tell their kids they can't buy a violent video game, even if the stores can legally sell them. Which they can, but tend not to. Ditto the rights of parents, since it's basically the same thing. The ruling hardly states " You must allow your kids to play GTA."
-If the Constitution's authors had intended limits on free speech, they would have included them. Many of the founding fathers spoke up in defense of speech that people are foaming at the mouth about now.

Further, the Constitutional framers didn't see fit to recognise women or blacks as people worthy of equal rights and protection. I consider the Catholic Church to be a rather date institution, but I doubt even they would go so far as to complain that we have elevated women's rights against the intents of of founding fathers. Or blacks. Or any other group. Well, maybe gays, but only because it's still considered culturally okay to speak out against gays. In 50 years, it will be as taboo as saying blacks should be property.

But on that note, the bible says one should remove the speck from your eye before attempting to remove the one in your neighbour's eye. I would appreciate it if the RCC would spend more time trying to improve its own flaws before complaining about the morality of others.
 

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That last paragraph? Beautiful, it was a zinger and these butthurt tears are delicious. What can I say? People in glass houses etc.
 

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I bet he has no issues with television. But in his days television was what video games are today. Television was Satanized by the radio and newspapers. And things on TV poisoned kids back then. Idiot.