Are today's gamers, on average, dumber?

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Ashcrexl

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gamers are dumber today simply because the term gamers encompasses such a greater number of people than ever before, and as we all know, when you start taking averages of the entire human population, instead of simply the top tier, the intelligence of the group does go down.
 

AnAngryMoose

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You're very selective about the examples? You failed to show the fact that there were shooters in the 90s (DOOM, Duke Nukem) and there are plenty of good strategy games these days (Europa Universalis, Starcraft, Total War etc etc). It makes it hard to take your point seriously if you fail to mention important facts like that. Just because someone doesn't play a complex game doesn't mean their an idiot.
 

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Deshara said:
Actually, "smart" games exist still too. You just choose to not aknowledge them. You're cherry-picking, good sir. To your arguments about how gamers are dumber nowadays because of Cod and Cod and Cod, I reply with DOOM, DOOM 2, DOOM 3, Duke nukem, ect. "Stupid" games will, and always will, be made. It's not because they're made for stupid gamers. It's because not everybody goes home from 8 hours of work so that they can sit and be mentally tested again. That shit is draining. Not everybody wants to pay for a second job as a middle-manager for the city's industrial center. [...]Just don't expect us to feel ashamed for having fun.
Thank you! This! A thousand times this!
I'm currently writing my bachelor's thesis and no, for some odd reason I don't feel like doing some real mental labour when I come home. I want to relax. I want to smash things with shiny swords.
 

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Explained by one thing. Pandering to the lowest common denominator. Trying to appeal to as many people as possible. The simple fact of the matter is that less people enjoy cerebral challenges compared to getting to point a gun and shoot stuff.
I'm gunna have to agree...when the consumer stops demanding certain aspects of a medium...it just goes away while the co.'s build new easier games for people who would be less apt to play more complicated games.
 

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sravankb said:
Not this shit again.

People of the internet, get this through your heads - the games and entertainment you choose do not make you who you are. No, that person playing CoD isn't a dumbass. No, that guy who likes Transformers isn't a moron.

And most of all, I mean most of all, NO, you're not a fucking genius just because you played old-school strategy games.

Moreover, how in the world does it matter that people are playing "smart" games? At the end of the day, you're just playing a game, and if your intelligence doesn't contribute to society, then what's the point, really? If you're playing them to raise your IQ, I can guarantee that you're not going about it the right way.
It's not that playing them makes you smarter, it's that if you're smart, playing with a baby's toy is not going to keep you engaged for very long. That's where the problem lies.
 

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sravankb said:
Not this shit again.

People of the internet, get this through your heads - the games and entertainment you choose do not make you who you are. No, that person playing CoD isn't a dumbass. No, that guy who likes Transformers isn't a moron.

And most of all, I mean most of all, NO, you're not a fucking genius just because you played old-school strategy games.

Moreover, how in the world does it matter that people are playing "smart" games? At the end of the day, you're just playing a game, and if your intelligence doesn't contribute to society, then what's the point, really? If you're playing them to raise your IQ, I can guarantee that you're not going about it the right way.
End of thread, you win, can everyone just read this post then this whole thing can be over adn done with a lot quicker
 

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sravankb said:
Not this shit again.

People of the internet, get this through your heads - the games and entertainment you choose do not make you who you are. No, that person playing CoD isn't a dumbass. No, that guy who likes Transformers isn't a moron.

And most of all, I mean most of all, NO, you're not a fucking genius just because you played old-school strategy games.

Moreover, how in the world does it matter that people are playing "smart" games? At the end of the day, you're just playing a game, and if your intelligence doesn't contribute to society, then what's the point, really? If you're playing them to raise your IQ, I can guarantee that you're not going about it the right way.
Thank you for this post. What you said is entirely true and is exactly the type of thinly veiled argument I'd like to avoid in this thread.

Edit: In fact, I'd say there are a lot of interesting and reasonable posts in here and not many of the kind you speak of, which is what I was hoping for.
 

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One thing that is fairly important to remember about video games is that the average age of gamers have gone up and with that age increase, less time can be devoted to mastering and learning the rules of video games. Not to mention the fact that there are so many other distractions that simply didn't exist back in the day. Video games have a hard time competing with those and that means that games need to be easier to understand and learn and quicker to reward the player and make them have fun.

Some developers go for a "give the players a gun and throw enemies at them" while other, however this style has been around since Asteroids and some of the most popular games ever made have basically just been "go forth and kill things". I mean the FPS-genre today is generally hailed as the low point in the medium, but for some reason the people that say this usually grew up playing Contra, Castlevania, Metroid, Mega Man and Mario, which were all basically the same style of games where the only real objective is "Go forth and kill". The games usually rewarded twitchy play styles and lighting reflexes, exactly what FPS games do. They rarely innovated beyond giving the players new weapons and powerups and most were just basically clones of whatever sold the most last year.

The rise of FPS games parallel the fall of platforming games since they were generally played by the same kind of people.
 

Hellfire00

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i have to say they are getting dumber, just on one fact. tht most people use the internet to figure out a puzzle or what to do next, or to get some cheat so they become invicible. i think that is fine if you just want to have some fun but doing that with every game, just to say you 'completed it' just ruins the game experience.
 
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Gamers haven't gotten dumber, games have gotten more expensive to make. Dauntingly complex games like those in the OP are made for a niche market that is too small cover the development costs of modern games, and no, i'm not saying strategy games are "not contemporary", starcraft 2 would prove otherwise.

The games in the OP are fucking eyesores filled with meters and stats, starcraft looks nice and has appeal outside of hardcore PC number-crunching fetishists. The reason games like Call Of Duty and Killzone are so popular is because they're streamlined and easy to get into.

If gamers are so dumb, how come cerebral games like brain training and portal 2 have sold so well? Easy: they're accessable. They don't throw labrynthine HUDs at you, they welcome you in and then slowly build up the mental challenge to just the right amount while still being enjoyable.

Another thing, all games require strategy of some sort. Call Of Duty's multiplayer (a game which so many write off as dumb and simple) is basically an RPG in disguise. Between gun selections, perks, equipment, killstreaks and then the thought that goes into using all these as well as you can to level up and unlock even more of these, there's a lot of fucking room for strategy in there.
 

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Indie games. Look there. There are some great open source games, that are intelligent and complex.
 

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Adzma said:
Vault101 said:
"gamers" not "games"
Read between the lines good sir. Why must games be dumbed down if the average player is unable to understand and play it if they haven't been "streamlined."

and no an entire group of people who happen to have a certian hobby have not gotten dumber
Fixed that for you. Also I agree. An entire group of people who have a certain hobby have not gotten dumber. Said hobby now attracts a larger player base which includes less than stellar players, because hey, that's how the world works. No two humans are the same. Therefore my point is that the average player has infact become dumber, because there is an even larger playerbase, and that games are no longer a niche thing.
You're implying that just because people aren't good at games they're dumb. You are incorrect in this. You make the same error when you imply that being able to use a computer proficiently is a mark of intellect. Proficiency and intelligence are not equal. I would agree that the playerbase is less technically skilled with computers now, but that doesn't make them dumb.

I have a friend from Romania, he teaches math at the university. Guy couldn't compute his way out of a wet paper bag. The only games I've known him to play were very simple games. He isn't dumb, his talents just lay elsewhere.
 

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Give it another decade or so and we'll have people complaining that games aren't as complex as they were "back in my day" and they'll point to the triple A games of today and say "we should go back to stuff like that" while the newer generation roll their eyes at grandpa and carry on playing their future "dumbed down games"

When those kids grow up they'll do and say the same thing "It was better in my day!" etc. Same as they do with films and music. It's a never ending cycle.
 

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redisforever said:
Indie games. Look there. There are some great open source games, that are intelligent and complex.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
 

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The average game may be more simple, and give more hints to the player, but I don't think the average gamer is less intelligent than gamers of old.
If anything, I'd say they have less patience, and that can be seen as lacking intelligence.

Games haven't gotten less complex if that is what you are trying to argue, they've probably gotten much more complex.
The key difference between games of old compared to the new, is the complexity is now niched; FPS more simple, while RPG and RTS more complex. Also throw in the fact that games actually tend to explain what the fuck everything does, and not leave you guessing, and it would be easy to assume that games are much more dumbed down than they used to be. But they're not.

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sravankb said:
Not this shit again.

People of the internet, get this through your heads - the games and entertainment you choose do not make you who you are. No, that person playing CoD isn't a dumbass. No, that guy who likes Transformers isn't a moron.

And most of all, I mean most of all, NO, you're not a fucking genius just because you played old-school strategy games.

Moreover, how in the world does it matter that people are playing "smart" games? At the end of the day, you're just playing a game, and if your intelligence doesn't contribute to society, then what's the point, really? If you're playing them to raise your IQ, I can guarantee that you're not going about it the right way.
^ This.
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Lenin211

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I could put up a picture of Doom and compare it to Shogun 2 Total War and say, "Are games getting smarter??"
 

blackcapedmanx

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It's not that gamers are getting dumber, but rather, as more of the general population overlaps with the gaming population, dumber people are playing video games. It seems like there're fewer "smart" games out there now, but really there's probably even more, they simply don't get the kind of face time (and don't have decades of small but vocal groups of people singing their praises, by simple virtue of not having been around as long,) as the major players do. The composition has shifted, but that is true of any creative industry as the market value goes up.

That would be like looking at early cinema: Kurosawa, Orsen Welles, French New Wave, and putting it against Michael Bay and saying, "are movie-goers getting dumber?" Which, well, yes, (and as more shitty movies make bank, there's more incentive to make shitty movies, and thus more saturation and conditioning of the public to appreciate that kind of thing,) but the "creative intelligentsia" will always be able to thrive off the leftovers of the larger industrial beast and fantastic and brilliant new material will continually come into light as long as there is variation in the population of the species (finding the best of it though, will always require a conscientious effort on the consumer, and most likely an intentional refining and adjustment of taste. The best works are often quite difficult to digest, and the challenge of doing so is implicit in the reward.)
 

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Transport Tycoon Deluxe (second image) is still receiving new content and has an active community under the name OpenTTD.