Ashamed to be part of the gaming community some days (like today).

[Elamdri]

But... when a lot of people come out and attack an employee for being shit at their job, you kinda have to take a look at your employee and realize... they're shit at their job. This has been going on for years, Hamburger is just a bad writer (have you SEEN her book?), and she doesn't belong in her field of work.

Agh, where to begin.

Ok, First, with the Hamburger thing? It's cruel and juvenile, which makes me far less likely to take ANYTHING you have to say about the subject seriously, if at all.

Second, I haven't read her book, so I'll decline to comment, but I have played Dragon Age, and I felt that the writing was perfectly adequate. I have not played SW:TOR but I have watched a good deal of "Lets Plays" and likewise, I have found nothing wholly objectionable.

In fact, I can guarantee you that you will find a plethora of writing worse than anything Bioware creates in the gaming universe. Final Fantasy serves up their yearly dose of awful with a spoonful of CG sugar. I wasn't particularly impressed with Fallout 3 nor Oblivion. Then there is the Trifecta of Modern Warfare/Black Ops, Battlefield and Medal of Honor. Gear of War writing makes me want to cry. I'm not sure to include Bulletstorm in this list because I'm not sure if the writing in that was bad, intentionally bad for comedic effect, or intentionally bad for comedic effect but still so bad that it qualifies as bad.

Regardless, just because a mob of goons on the internet says you're bad at your job doesn't make it so. And just because they say someone is bad at their job doesn't mean that you suddenly have to look at their raving and suddenly agree. I agree with Flynn, all I see is a mob of vicious pillocks.

 

[Axolotl]

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@Everyone: Even though I already commented, I think everyone would want to take a look into this video. The guy even mentions "The Escapist". See for yourselves if you wish.. (I don't see this turning out for the better)

And he's just repeating what the Destructoid article (which I've noted was flawed) with no futher research or factchecking just added some guy getting angry and self-righteous (while taking clips from the Nostalgia Critic for some reason). It's just continueing the spin of it being evil misogynists attacking a brave artist for no reason instead of it just being her responding to critisim by being stupid and crass and the internet showing her that nobody can be more stupid and crass than them. Yes what people said to her was some vile undeserved stuff but it wasn't just hate from out of the blue. Of course he's too late now, the cycle has concluded itself with Bioware asserting that they fully support Hepler (as they should) and assuring their fans that nobody has any real complaints it's just evil trolls from the depths of 4chan.

This is why people spew this hate at Bioware, I don't support the trolls or think their comments were anyhing but disgusting but I do brouse some of the websties that supported this stuff, and I know that this is a prime example. They're tired of every games site more respectable that IGN spewing an almost never-ending stream of praise at Bioware, they're tired of every critism of Bioware's games just being spun into just homophobic, misogynistic trolling and that if you don't like any changes you're blinded by nostalgia. Most of them started as Bioware fans but then got banned from their forums for complaining, then watching Bioware learn nothing, improve nothing, strip down their games more and more, ignore all critisim and have every games journalist lap it up because it's better written than GoW, it gets old, it gets annoying. Their ultimate actions while indefensible are understandable.

Once again I'll note, I in no way support any of the insults thrown at Hepler. I've made no secret of my dislike of Bioware in the past but I have never stooped to personal insults and I have nothing buit contempt for people who do. I dissagree with Hepler on game design but I have no issues with her as a person, or anyone else at Bioware for that matter.

 

[irishda]

"These people should be thicker skinned. Bioware needs to learn to take criticism." :Half the posters in this thread

It's quite ironic that the internet should suggest someone learn to take criticism, when everyone on the internet either RAEGS at people for not "getting what I'm trying to do" or just flat out ignores criticism. The internet (as a collective) refuses to take any criticism itself, as evidenced by the "victims" crying about how a company would dare yell at one of its paying customers.

I can see where they are coming from:

1. You have the option to skip gameplay and read the story, it's called read a fucking book.
2. If you don't like gaming then leave the industry and leave a job spot for someone that likes what the industry does.
3. Saying removing gameplay to leave narrative is like saying you're a song writer and you think songs should remove the music, it stops being a game/song.
3. Not all gamer lacks girlfriends, not all gamers are men, not all gamers want jobs in the gaming industry.
4. She was suprised that the internet trolled her hard after insulting a big hateful group of people, Jennifer I present to you a new concept, the internet, you're welcome.

First of all, she recommended skipping combat, not gameplay. Gameplay is not so narrowly defined as combat. I for one love a detective-style game where people analyze/search for clues without forcing us into weird gun-play sequences (Fuck you L.A. Noire). Broaden your definition of how you can play a game and it invalidates your first three points right there. Second, the internet attacked her hard (trolling implies subtlety) before she insulted them, thus they set the tone. Third, no ones surprised the internet insulted someone. People are surprised that the ones insulting others in the first place would get butthurt when someone insulted them back.

The internet: trying to have its cake, and whining when it eats it too.

 

[endtherapture]

Her comeback is vile and atrocious, she nevers everything she gets after that.

1. Not all videogamers are men, in fact, loads are women.
2. I play games and I am perfectly capable of getting a girlfriend. I'm not jealous cos she owns a vagina. In fact, I don't own my girlfriends vagina anyway so that's stupid.
3. I love games, but I don't want to get a job in the games industry. I'd much rather be a rockstar. I'm studying for a science degree anyway so why would I want a job in the videogame industry? Who knows. She's an idiot.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Whether you liked the (insert victims of Islamic terror) or not (I've not been a fan of most of those infidels, period), this level of treatment towards those unbelievers is never warranted, and it should make the Middle East utterly ashamed of itself. This is the kind of behavior that justifies the FOX News stereotype of the desert dwelling, violent towelhead.

Do yourself a favor and stay on topic.

Half-coherent rants about Muslims are kind of the only topic he can do. Even on the Hepler thread.

 

[Kahunaburger]

"These people should be thicker skinned. Bioware needs to learn to take criticism." :Half the posters in this thread

It's quite ironic that the internet should suggest someone learn to take criticism, when everyone on the internet either RAEGS at people for not "getting what I'm trying to do" or just flat out ignores criticism. The internet (as a collective) refuses to take any criticism itself, as evidenced by the "victims" crying about how a company would dare yell at one of its paying customers.

Well, it is true that the Dragon Age 2 team needs thicker skin. Mostly David Gaider, but basically all of them to an extent. Your average /v/irgin/goon/whatever is not getting paid to represent a company, but prominent Bioware designers are and should hold their own behavior to a higher standard.

 

[ResonanceSD]

A gamer on the internet is pissed off and angry at "Hamburger Hepler", going so far as to personally insult her.

Thus, EVERYONE FEEL ASHAMED. RIGHT NOW. Even if you've never heard of anyone involved before today! Because you're gamers, you're guilty!

We're coming for you, Gamers.



I refuse to feel guilty about something I didn't contribute to. I've said in several places that DA2 sucked. I've never insulted this person personally, even though after finding out that she was the lead writer who thinks that combat should be optional in interactive experiences, I probably should have said more previously.

 

[WanderingFool]

A gamer on the internet is pissed off and angry at "Hamburger Hepler", going so far as to personally insult her.

Thus, EVERYONE FEEL ASHAMED. RIGHT NOW. Even if you've never heard of anyone involved before today! Because you're gamers, you're guilty!

We're coming for you, Gamers.



-_- That's pretty much this thread.

Hmm, actually, today was the first time I even heard of this whole deal.

 

[Atlas13]

But... when a lot of people come out and attack an employee for being shit at their job, you kinda have to take a look at your employee and realize... they're shit at their job. This has been going on for years, Hamburger is just a bad writer (have you SEEN her book?), and she doesn't belong in her field of work.

Agh, where to begin.

Ok, First, with the Hamburger thing? It's cruel and juvenile, which makes me far less likely to take ANYTHING you have to say about the subject seriously, if at all.

Second, I haven't read her book, so I'll decline to comment, but I have played Dragon Age, and I felt that the writing was perfectly adequate. I have not played SW:TOR but I have watched a good deal of "Lets Plays" and likewise, I have found nothing wholly objectionable.

In fact, I can guarantee you that you will find a plethora of writing worse than anything Bioware creates in the gaming universe. Final Fantasy serves up their yearly dose of awful with a spoonful of CG sugar. I wasn't particularly impressed with Fallout 3 nor Oblivion. Then there is the Trifecta of Modern Warfare/Black Ops, Battlefield and Medal of Honor. Gear of War writing makes me want to cry. I'm not sure to include Bulletstorm in this list because I'm not sure if the writing in that was bad, intentionally bad for comedic effect, or intentionally bad for comedic effect but still so bad that it qualifies as bad.

Regardless, just because a mob of goons on the internet says you're bad at your job doesn't make it so. And just because they say someone is bad at their job doesn't mean that you suddenly have to look at their raving and suddenly agree. I agree with Flynn, all I see is a mob of vicious pillocks.

Which DA? Cause the only part she had in Origins was some dwarf romance thing. Also, I make fun of other series' too, doesn't mean I can't make fun of her writing.

And it's not just a mob of goons, it's been going on for years now, from a lot of people, who just now decided to attack her all at once because of the whole twitter thing.

 

[irishda]

"These people should be thicker skinned. Bioware needs to learn to take criticism." :Half the posters in this thread

It's quite ironic that the internet should suggest someone learn to take criticism, when everyone on the internet either RAEGS at people for not "getting what I'm trying to do" or just flat out ignores criticism. The internet (as a collective) refuses to take any criticism itself, as evidenced by the "victims" crying about how a company would dare yell at one of its paying customers.

Well, it is true that the Dragon Age 2 team needs thicker skin. Mostly David Gaider, but basically all of them to an extent. Your average /v/irgin/goon/whatever is not getting paid to represent a company, but prominent Bioware designers are and should hold their own behavior to a higher standard.

But they did, so now this places us in the classic "respect the customer" business quandry. At what point does a customer's vitriolic behavior become unacceptable for a company to tolerate? Personally I'd never have responded were I in Bioware's situation. But then if anyone told me a writer I employed (whose work has to be approved by however many other people) was single-handedly bringing down my company, I'd definitely think he was a fucking moron too.

 

[Kahunaburger]

"These people should be thicker skinned. Bioware needs to learn to take criticism." :Half the posters in this thread

It's quite ironic that the internet should suggest someone learn to take criticism, when everyone on the internet either RAEGS at people for not "getting what I'm trying to do" or just flat out ignores criticism. The internet (as a collective) refuses to take any criticism itself, as evidenced by the "victims" crying about how a company would dare yell at one of its paying customers.

Well, it is true that the Dragon Age 2 team needs thicker skin. Mostly David Gaider, but basically all of them to an extent. Your average /v/irgin/goon/whatever is not getting paid to represent a company, but prominent Bioware designers are and should hold their own behavior to a higher standard.

But they did, so now this places us in the classic "respect the customer" business quandry. At what point does a customer's vitriolic behavior become unacceptable for a company to tolerate? Personally I'd never have responded were I in Bioware's situation. But then if anyone told me a writer I employed (whose work has to be approved by however many other people) was single-handedly bringing down my company, I'd definitely think he was a fucking moron too.

I think it's more the point that people representing their company shouldn't do so by getting into arguments on the BSN/twitter/whatever. They should take the high road and not engage.

 

[Axolotl]

Btw. she also claimed that she had better ideas than Tolkien and George R. R. Martin at some point, and she's responsible for the Gay Anders thing in Dragon Age 2.

The thing is I'm fairly sure that the quote about writing better fantasy than those old white men and more like Meyer/Rowling was fabricated, at least I haven't seen any evidence she said it (and trust me the places I hang out they'd be on that quote like from now until the end of time).

 

[Vault101]

snip.

a quick lession

1. Bioware are going down the drain
2. EA are the anti-chirst and Bioware are their little helper
3. ME2 was a steaming pile of CRAP
4. DA2 THE WORST FUCKING ABOMINATION KNOWN TO MAN
5. ME3 is going to be the worst game in the existant of videogames
6. Bioware SUCK and have murded your gramdmother and pissed on her grave
7. that screen shot of a possible new Bioware game is from a COD style FPS with a horrile story and wrting with HORRBIEL charachters that will be worse than DA2 and ME3 combined..(no dont argue with me I KNOW this I can tell from the colour they used)

Oh God, the ignorance levels are so high on this one.

You know what, though? Having a vagina and an industry job is a pretty sweet two-punch. I'm pretty jealous myself.

To be honest, I want those things as well.

I was just joking, somone said they foudn Biowares writing excelent so I figured I "educate" them on how we are suposed to feel about Bioware on this site

*shrug* ok sure peoples criticizm of Bioware can be valid and all, I just find that rabid hate they get (especially after the DA2 mess) annoying, its not right to tell peopel to stop haitng things i like...but FUCK ME I think peopel should calm down (though Im impressed with the lack of M3 venom at the moment)

and the fact that I think the words "shooter" and "brown" were thrown around after they unveiled that screenshit...god damn

EDIT: I also foudn her comeback pretty funny

 

[ResonanceSD]

"Gamers incensed by interactivity being taken out of games, are told that "paying $90 for some cutscenes strung together by walking about to different corridors is as-good if not better". said gamers are then shouted down by bioware and @JimSterling because of one dumbass who can't seem to control his impulses.