Assassin's Creed Devs Don't Hate the British

[Amnestic]

Connor is half amerindian and half english. So no this game is not anti British.

Depends who he's killing, really. As has been noted the marketing stuff for this has been distinctly 'Anti-British' insomuch as they're bigging up the American heritage (see: last page with the flag) and having him murder almost solely Redcoats.

Obviously the game itself might be different, but considering Ubisoft's past flubs not only with Assassin's Creed PR but as a company as a whole, we haven't been given much reason thus far to believe they will focus on Assassins vs. Templar instead of Evil Britain and the REAL AMERICAN FREEDOM LOVING ASSASSINS.

 

[Secret world leader (shhh)]

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I'll be sure to leave those guys alone when i can fhen though i'm sure they'll only be like 2/3 character models for the enemies unless the scottish are made into the "big, burly bastard" specialist class of enemy

EDIT: Just watched the developer walkthrough, i totally called it.

 

[Something Amyss]

On the other hand, given that Connor is partially Native American, he might not have all that much loyalty or fondness for the colonists that oppressed and murdered that side of his family.

It's not quite that simple. Unless, of course, I've missed a portion of his backtory that was specific to this.

While the Mohawk tended to be pro-British, there were a few pro-colonist Mohawk, including a couple of prominent ones. A good chunk of the atrocities against the Mohawk also happened after the Revolutionary War.

Also, being half-Mohawk (half-Natives represent!), he could be pulled in multiple directions or himself feel no specific ties to any side.

 

[Jon Shannow]

And here I thought you guys did want it back. You know that whole...incident in 1812. Then you guys realized it just wasn't worth it with the whole Napoleon thing.

The War of 1812 was America trying and failing to take Canada.

 

[Spygon]

I am not bothered about playing connor and killing Brits.I am more concerned that the Templar vs Assassin war is in the shadows and you can never tell which side they were on.

So if suddenly the Templars and Assassin end up mostly on one side of the war then i feel that it has lost alot of the mystery and whole the Templars are everywhere feeling.

That in my view would damage the universe of Assassin Creeds concept

 

[Krantos]

If we really wanted to keep America, we would have

Wasn't worth the loses though.

Wise decision all around. We're not sure we want it any more.

Maybe Canada Will buy it...

 

[Frankster]

Oh yeh how dare you shoot at people of my country *shakes fist*

Now i know how it feels to be russian or muslim....

 

[Bill Nye the Zombie]

See in 'Merica, we gots this here principle of citizenship called Jus soli: If he's born here, he's OURS.

"The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in pertinent part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Its wording was initially interpreted to exclude many Native Americans because they were not considered "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States and, thus, were not American citizens. Congress declared it policy to extend citizenship to all Aboriginal peoples in the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924." - Wikipedia on Jus Soli

Native Americans weren't necessarily considered American Citizens until 1924.

If he becomes a citizen of the U.S. before the ratification of the Constitution, then he would be a full American citizen, with the ability to run and be elected President if he wanted to. Thats how Alexander Hamilton became a citizen.

 

[Jimmy T. Malice]

I don't really see what the controversy is about. In the first Assassin's Creed you killed lots of English soldiers and nobody batted an eye.

 

[The Funslinger]

To be fair, though, you were kind of the bad guys.

And you needed the french to win.

We'd rather lose than ally with them.

See? Latent historical resentment. I knew it!

We weren't the bad guys, though. There's nothing necessarily evil about conquest. If anyone was evil there it was the factions that formed the basis of America going around claiming they had right of God, forming pact after pact with the Indians and shafting them over and over just to strong arm them into another even more slanted pact.

The British weren't the good guys or the bad guys. We were just... the guys.

Edit: I know this is all meant in good humor, but this has always been a historical nitpick for me.

 

[Susurrus]

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That's massively disingenuous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats

The Liberal party, from which the Liberal Democrats partially sprung, had nothing to do with the liberals you refer to, being formed 129 years ago.

Unless you're referring to political ideology. But then the implication of your comment is that every political party claiming roughly to be "liberals" and roughly to be "right" of today are essentially the same.

And unless you'd lump, say, Obama, in the same dish as Communism, you'd probably want to rethink that.

 

[woodaba]

Here's the thing, guys. George Washington is going to be the final boss. Calling it now. The guy was a freaking stonemason! They can't let that pass them by!

 

[Chairman Miaow]

I already knew that considering in one of the interviews at E3 when asked "Is the AI smarter?" the guy being interviewed said, "well, they're British, so I hope so."

 

[Chairman Miaow]

Well, I'm English, but I don't find it offensive that they are killing my ancestors....

As a Templar however....

 

[Blind Sight]

In regards to the Native Americans thing: isn't Connor supposed to be part Mohawk? Like, the Mohawk who were part of the Iroquois Confederacy, who were allied with the British? And wasn't one of the major early complaints of the colonists about the creation of an Indian territory by the British, effectively curbing the growth of the Thirteen Colonies? Which American settlers then ignored and settled anyway?

Just seems like Connor's ethnic background would make him a British ally, not an American one.

 

[John Funk]

I'm kind of saddened that nobody seems to have picked up that my "latent historical resentment" referred to the French and English. I was hoping to get some soccer flame wars going

 

[Amnestic]

See in 'Merica, we gots this here principle of citizenship called Jus soli: If he's born here, he's OURS.

"The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in pertinent part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Its wording was initially interpreted to exclude many Native Americans because they were not considered "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States and, thus, were not American citizens. Congress declared it policy to extend citizenship to all Aboriginal peoples in the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924." - Wikipedia on Jus Soli

Native Americans weren't necessarily considered American Citizens until 1924.

If he becomes a citizen of the U.S. before the ratification of the Constitution, then he would be a full American citizen, with the ability to run and be elected President if he wanted to. Thats how Alexander Hamilton became a citizen.

Yeah, but the "becoming a full American citizen" bit has no relation to the concept of Jus Soli that was mentioned since, as noted, it was called into question whether they (Native Americans) were considered 'subject to the jurisdiction of' the US.

He could be an American citizen, but he doesn't get it automatically.

 

[jkvoller]

Seriously, has nobody watched the trailer for the AC3 Vita version. There's loads of colonists being assassinated there.

I would put the pro-American stance mainly down to where the adverts are being shown. They are mostly trailers for the American, so naturally, marketing companies don't want to show a lot of Americans being killed. Plus, we've only seen about 15mins of gameplay and trailers, and if the game is as big as Ubisoft says it is, that's likely to be 3% of the final content, possibly less. So don't panic, my fellow countrymen, there's probably a lot more colonist assassinating than we are currently been shown, let's just be glad that the daily mail hasn't gotten its hands on any of the footage.

 

[SirCannonFodder]

To be fair, though, you were kind of the bad guys.

And you needed the french to win.

We'd rather lose than ally with them.

World War one and two say otherwise.

We might have been allied with them, but that still didn't stop us killing about 1300 of them and sinking a few of their ships [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Catapult].

 

[rbstewart7263]

Why do the brits have to not be the bad guys for this to not be anti british?? thats history got something bad that your ancestors did well tough tit most people do.