Quoted for the truth. Christmas is about as religious as me; that is, not at all.SL33TBL1ND said:Well said, too many Christians fail to realise that their most important holiday has nothing to do with their religion.Sightless Wisdom said:Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity, never did. The pagans made it an the Christans stole and renamed it. Now it's a commercial holiday celebrated by most people regardless of religion. People like getting gifts and spending money, why not celebrate it?
OT: I get presents. That's what Christmas is about, now anyway.
The phrase was coined nearly a millennia ago. At this point it's like complaining about people who call the second day of the week Tuesday but don't worship Týr, the norse god of duels.zehydra said:then they really shouldn't call it Christmas.vivaldiscool said:Likewise, regardless of what it was in the past, it is no longer a strictly Christian holiday either.zehydra said:It's a Christian holiday. Regardless of what it was in the past, it currently is a Christian holiday (over-commercialized, definitely!) The thing that I don't get is why Atheists celebrate "Christ's mass" instead of say, the solstice or some other secular reason around the same time. Even Santa Claus is based off of the patron saint of Charity.
Point taken. But when was the last time you saw a worshipper of Tyr though?vivaldiscool said:The phrase was coined nearly a millennia ago. At this point it's like complaining about people who call the second day of the week Tuesday but don't worship Týr, the norse god of duels.zehydra said:then they really shouldn't call it Christmas.vivaldiscool said:Likewise, regardless of what it was in the past, it is no longer a strictly Christian holiday either.zehydra said:It's a Christian holiday. Regardless of what it was in the past, it currently is a Christian holiday (over-commercialized, definitely!) The thing that I don't get is why Atheists celebrate "Christ's mass" instead of say, the solstice or some other secular reason around the same time. Even Santa Claus is based off of the patron saint of Charity.
Esp. since most of the details surrounding the Christian side of it where arbitrarily decided upon by some council in Rome in about the 10th century or something like that.Sightless Wisdom said:Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity, never did. The pagans made it an the Christans stole and renamed it. Now it's a commercial holiday celebrated by most people regardless of religion. People like getting gifts and spending money, why not celebrate it?
ioxles said:The celebration of christmas in it's proper form, the worship of Christ and his birth, has only every constituted of one thing; going to church on christmas eve (and on christmas day) to pray and celebrate the birth of the human god.
Everything else done is not strictly Christmas, but tradition. That is saying nothing of course about the origins of these traditions but they are no way and in no part a religious celebration.
Saint Nicholas is a Christian Saint, of East European (german?) origin, coloured by Coca Cola and dumped in the North Pole.
Actually, the popular American image of Santa Claus wasn't created by Coca Cola but by the famous political cartoonist Thomas Nast, responsible for other such creations as the Republican elephant, the Democratic donkey, and the modern form of Uncle Sam.Thesreyn said:Coca Cola created Santa Claus as we know him. Don't think for one minute that this is even close to a religious holiday.
again, easter is a holiday celebrated b many cultures and religions. pagans brought the whole rabbit and egg thing, but easter was celebreated by the jewish people as their exodus from egypt, and it was probably given in other places.LadyRhian said:As has been said, Christmas was never Christian, and Jesus was born when Shepherds had their flocks in the fields by night- which is autumn, specifically September or October. Pretty much everything in the holiday comes from Pagans. Decorated trees? Pagan. Giving gifts? Pagan. Holly and the kissing thereunder? Pagan. Even Eggnog is pagan, coming from the North. Also, the idea of the rebirth of the sun and light is pagan. It's Winter Solstice under a "Christian" name. Winter Solstice celebrates the rebirth of the sun and the days getting longer, which it starts to do now.SaneAmongInsane said:I prefer the commercialized version of the holiday, that it's about giving gifts, helping our fellow man, spending time with loved ones, getting wasted on egg nog, and watching holiday movies on the boob-tube. My atheist best friend very much agrees, but also claims he's merely just celebrating the Winter Solstice. Hell I wish we could de-religionize it so everyone could enjoy it.
That being said, I don't celebrate Easter because of the religious reasons. Not that I'm an atheist, I'm agnostic, I just don't feel right celebrating it if my hearts not in the subject matter.
And, Easter is also a pagan holiday, Sacred to the goddess Eostre. And the imagery of that is also pagan. It's a celebration of fertility, thus the imagery of eggs, chicks, and rabbits (rabbits especially having lots of mating, there's a reason it's called "boinking like bunnies").
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm
In some countries, they light fires on Easter (The Netherlands being one of them). This is probably a holdover of the pagan "Jumping of the fire" where a bonfire would be lit and people jump over it.
I started out Christian, went pagan, and am now an atheist (with a steady stream of agnostic- I really just don't care, honestly).