Australian Government Slows R18+ Rating Process

Fuhjem

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Wait wait wait. So you're telling me that the Australian Government is calling the democratic process of voting for an issue "biased" because it is working the exact way it should?

The MAJORITY of the population wants an 18+ rating. Their government wanted the opinion of that very same majority, and now they're refuting it as a bias?

The Fuck?
 

starhaven

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OH GOD DAM IT

ITS LIKE I AM BEAT MY FACE AGAIST A BRICK WALL

GO TO HELL YOU GOVERNMENT BASTERDS GIVE ME MY LEFT 4 DEAD 2 WITH ALL THE GORE

ok thats out my system now "sigh" i really really cant belive this

i am doing an essay on this for my universty studies and the avg age of the australian gamer is 28 most of us are over 18
 

Yureina

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I'd feel bad for Australian gamers right now, but at the same time I am looking forward to further mudslinging at the Australian government by Yahtzee. At least until that gets old. Bah, even that isnt worth it. I hope that Australian can get their rating system business sorted out soon so they don't have all these worderful games getting banned or censored. :)
 

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PayJ567 said:
[HEADING=1]JUST GIVE THEM THE FUCKING RATING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE[/HEADING]

It's just ridiculous now...
This. As many times as I can say it before my lungs shrivel to black and drop off, this.

In any poll run by a person who has a working brain, the option that got the most majority votes wins, right? No, not this time. These fucking stupid Anti-R18+ rules are the only reason I hate living in Australia.

So, what in the name of God's arse are they fucking doing over there? Are they unaware that the average age for a gamer in Australia is around 25-35? Have they not seen Season 7, Episode 3 or Penn and Teller? How far can your head possibly be in your rectum before you can ignore the opinion of what was said by 98% of the people who voted on a poll that YOU put out in the first place?

This is bullshit. If you're not going to let us have our fucking R18+ rating like every other place in the world (except Germany), then at least lower the price of the plane tickets so I can move to Canada.
 

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I find that a country that had its roots as a prison colony now seems to enjoy even more bureaucracy and censorship than its onetime sovereign state which itself carries a reputation for pompacity and zealous surveillance quite ironic.
If they really want to get everyone's opinion on this and not just from the gamers, why not just put it on a national ballot? It would cost less time and taxpayer dollars. Seriously, this is really getting beyond ridiculous to just being stupid.
It's quite easy:
Should Australia's game rating system include a slot for mature games?
( )Yes
[ ]No

The time for discussion is done. The time to act is now. Anything else is just stonewalling the will of your citizens and wasting your country's resources which can be put to better effect toward other services to the benefit of your country.
 

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"That's right, Australia: You supported the R18+ rating too much. You demanded it and now, you're not going to get it."

This made me crack up so badly for some reason. I'm sorry, I feel for those of you down under but wow. This is getting ridiculous.
 

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I'm glad you can take the high ground and find this amusing, Mr Chalk.

For those of us actually dealing with this process, who are supposed to be represented by this government, it is painful to watch.

It's good to mock the decisions taking place here, but we should keep in mind that not everyone in Parliament is supportive of this undemocratic process: just the major parties. The Greens have mostly been sympathetic with gamers and freedom of information activists on this issue, I note.

It's too bad that the current lobbying force of the campaign for an R18+ rating has been too direct and simple like this; if there had also been political support given to parties supporting the R18+ rating by the campaign, I suspect the government could not take such a straw man stance without a fight.

Until then, gamers may not be clued in on who to vote for to support the rating, which is a clear as day question to answer for those of us who know about politics (unfortunately, I'd say too few).

bigorexia said:
So is Australia not a democracy? If it is how are these folks still holding office?
Make no mistake, the sands of politics are shifting here. The Labor Government lost 14 percent of their lead on the Liberal Party over the past three weeks of polling. The Greens are in a stronger position than they were before, since they've taken several from Labor. Though, this is influenced more by health reform controversies, Internet censorship and the NAPLAN tests forced on schools around the nation, than by gamers, I would say.

There is an election due this year. The sooner and the more related to climate change, the better, because that will be good for gamers as well since that would give the Greens a serious advantage. Some pundits are even predicting that they'll become like the Liberal Democrats of England: a critical third force with the balance of power in hand.
 

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Looking at it from a logical standpoint as opposed to the "OMG censorshipz" standpoint (and to make it clear, I do support an Australian 18+ rating), I can see why they are doing this. Look at it from this perspective. Take out video games and put in another issue. For the sake of argument and relatability I'll use gun control laws.

Now, suppose this was to reform gun control and make it harder to get guns. Now, suppose there was an absolute landslide vote in favour of this particular gun control law because anti-gun organisations rallied their supporters to vote in favour of this. Wouldn't you want the government to step back and go "Wait, this seems like way too large of a margin. Re-open the polls, we need to make sure everybody got their say in on this."

Really, as much as it might not seem it, this is a rather democratic move on Australia's part.
 

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theSovietConnection said:
Now, suppose this was to reform gun control and make it harder to get guns. Now, suppose there was an absolute landslide vote in favour of this particular gun control law because anti-gun organisations rallied their supporters to vote in favour of this. Wouldn't you want the government to step back and go "Wait, this seems like way too large of a margin. Re-open the polls, we need to make sure everybody got their say in on this."

Really, as much as it might not seem it, this is a rather democratic move on Australia's part.
Except Australia didn't get public consultation when the Howard govt introduced our draconian gun control laws.
 

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theSovietConnection said:
Looking at it from a logical standpoint as opposed to the "OMG censorshipz" standpoint (and to make it clear, I do support an Australian 18+ rating), I can see why they are doing this. Look at it from this perspective. Take out video games and put in another issue. For the sake of argument and relatability I'll use gun control laws.

Now, suppose this was to reform gun control and make it harder to get guns. Now, suppose there was an absolute landslide vote in favour of this particular gun control law because anti-gun organisations rallied their supporters to vote in favour of this. Wouldn't you want the government to step back and go "Wait, this seems like way too large of a margin. Re-open the polls, we need to make sure everybody got their say in on this."

Really, as much as it might not seem it, this is a rather democratic move on Australia's part.
When Barack Obama slaughtered McCain, and with ~96% of the black vote, they didn't re-open the polls to make sure this is really what everyone wanted because of the high numbers. On the contrary, he won because of the high numbers. The gov't didn't force some bullshit review on the country to make sure this is really what we wanted. The Australian gov't just didn't get the answer they wanted, so now they are going to attempt some fuzzy math to try to skew the numbers (I mean since when is 86% considered a minority?). What you are saying is democracy, is the exact opposite of democracy. The peoples voice was not heard.
 

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obisean said:
When Barack Obama slaughtered McCain, and with ~96% of the black vote, they didn't re-open the polls to make sure this is really what everyone wanted because of the high numbers. On the contrary, he won because of the high numbers. The gov't didn't force some bullshit review on the country to make sure this is really what we wanted. The Australian gov't just didn't get the answer they wanted, so now they are going to attempt some fuzzy math to try to skew the numbers (I mean since when is 86% considered a minority?). What you are saying is democracy, is the exact opposite of democracy. The peoples voice was not heard.
And what if this vote really only represents a minority of Australians? 59,000 hardly represents the entire Australian population. What if it turned up that the majority really wanted no R18 rating whatsoever? Would it be democratic then? Or would that merely be a situation where suddenly dictatorship by minority became acceptable?
 

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xanith02100 said:
Yahtzee, your countrymen seem to have a few screws loose down there.
Yahtzee is British, hence he doesn't speak with an Australian accent.

Wait, you actually thought thats what Australians sounded like? o_O
 

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Andy, you're suck a jerk. We're suffering here!

OT: If they consider Family First a valid point of view I'm going to go No Russian in this country soon. I've waited too long for Left 4 Dead 2 to be uncensored, I'm actually starting to get twitchy and have delirious dreams where I'm strangling Atkinson with his own intestines.
 

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theSovietConnection said:
And what if this vote really only represents a minority of Australians? 59,000 hardly represents the entire Australian population. What if it turned up that the majority really wanted no R18 rating whatsoever? Would it be democratic then? Or would that merely be a situation where suddenly dictatorship by minority became acceptable?
Well, when you don't turn up to vote in an election, guess what happens? Your voice is not heard. Its sad but true. In 2000, there were ~105.6m votes cast for U.S. President. How many people were living in the country at that time? 281,421,906. If those numbers are to be believed, over 1/2 of the people living in the United States at the time did not vote. In most cases, unless you live in Australia at the moment, over 1/2 is considered a majority, therefore the polls should be reopened? No, sorry, if you really cared, you'd have made sure to make it down to the voting booth at the time of the election.
 

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I don't know what kind of response they were expecting to get but really, wouldn't they have at least expected something like this?

Goddammit.
 

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Well, i want a new country. This is the stupidest thing yet in this R18+ saga, it doesn't make any sense to not have an R18+ rating, and even less sense to say you cant have it because so many of you want it. i am disappoint
 

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Federal Election year. Govt polling poorly, ATM.

Yeah, they're gonna drag this out unless someone manages to turn it into an Issue... which considering all the issues already lined up isn't very likely.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Whatever the case, keep up the great work, Australia. I normally have to pay for this kind of entertainment.
While I don't appreciate comments made about my country being a laughing stock, (the people who were voted in were NOT voted in by the generation they should be aiming at now) this whole thing is just becoming more and more of a choke hold on the country. They took two steps forward, by showing that they're willing to think about it, and now they've taken 50 steps back.

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ENKC said:
p.s. who precisely are these 'experts' with whom they will be consulting and why on earth should 'church groups' have any say in the process? We have a thing called separation of Church and State here guys.
Except the current government and the opposition are both Christian Conservative instead of Labour and Liberal. I was watching an ad for Abbott, then an ad for K-Rudd came on and I thought, "Oh wow, dumb and dumber." They're two sides of the same coin.

This is why the <a href=http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/policies>Australian Sex Party will be getting my vote.

Sex party policies said:
Censorship

* Bring about the establishment of a truly national classification scheme which includes a uniform non-violent erotica rating for explicit adult material for all jurisdictions and through all media including the Internet and computer games.

* Introduce an R and X rating for computer games

* To overturn mandatory ISP filtering of the Internet and return Internet censorship to parents and individuals.
I'm all for secular politics. Why should politics cater to religious people who are probably in the minority?