Australian Government Slows R18+ Rating Process
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He's not the problem anymore. It's the idiocy he left in his wake that's the issue at the moment.zpfanatic81195 said:
I've been pondering how to describe the R18+ fiasco, but I think I finally found something.
Gumperson's Law:
The probability of anything happening is in inverse ratio to its desirability.
Gumperson's Law:
The probability of anything happening is in inverse ratio to its desirability.
"Ok we're gonna consult the public to see whether or not you want an R18 rating."
("Wait what!? They WANT it?! Crap ...")
"Hmm, ok that didn't work, we're gonna try something different now."
("Damn them, get me some people who DON'T want it ... yeah I don't care, FIND them!")
And massive lolling ensues, except for the fact that I'm actually IN this horrendously backward country. Seriously people? Freedom and progressive future is THAT WAY, you're headed toward the middle ages at the moment.
("Wait what!? They WANT it?! Crap ...")
"Hmm, ok that didn't work, we're gonna try something different now."
("Damn them, get me some people who DON'T want it ... yeah I don't care, FIND them!")
And massive lolling ensues, except for the fact that I'm actually IN this horrendously backward country. Seriously people? Freedom and progressive future is THAT WAY, you're headed toward the middle ages at the moment.
This eloquently summed up my thoughts on this, so I'm going to steal itRelexCryo said:
It's pretty much what I thought back when Atkinson mentioned that only gamers would respond. Of course gamers are going to be the most vocal, they're the only people who care about this farce of a rating system anyway. It's like asking me whether certain operas should be allowed. I don't give 2 shits about opera, but that doesn't mean I don't want other people to enjoy it.
Hahahaha, well said, well said I can't wait to drag myself out of the sorry hole that this country is becoming. That or we could get a government that REPRESENTED THE PEOPLE AND THEIR WISHES perhaps? Maybe we could become a ... wait for it ... wait for it ... a ... DEMOCRACY perhaps?
I can't wait to drag myself out of the sorry hole that this country is becoming. That or we could get a government that REPRESENTED THE PEOPLE AND THEIR WISHES perhaps? Maybe we could become a ... wait for it ... wait for it ... a ... DEMOCRACY perhaps?
Right with you. Well, except about hating my country - I just loathe the actions of the hypocrites in charge of censorship. The government should have remembered never to conduct a consultation when they didn't know what the response would be. That's just sloppy work.Adzma said:
Honestly, how much of the opposition is coming from anyone with a remotely relevant opinion? Parents groups, I could understand - although I'd argue that they are simply trying to shirk what should be their own responsibilities. But the actual people dissenting are the ones with the least actual knowledge. They're the type of people who believed the hype about Mass Effect being a virtual porn director's studio.
Heaven forbid that anyone should be able to play a game involving complex moral themes, blood and guts or (shock horror!) anything remotely resembling a sex scene. I understand the concern that so many of the responses came from organised campaigns by EB and Grow Up Australia. Even after taking out the responses from EB, submissions in favour STILL outnumber submissions against by three to one - and that's allowing for the naysayers to organise collectively while denying it to those in favour!
Of course, it *does* get worse for us Aussies (and potentially more amusing for the rest of the world). The opposition party would be even more likely to refuse to introduce an R18+ classification for gaming, since they're even more socially conservative and are led by a conservative Catholic (Tony Abbott) who believes in abstinence as sex education.
I suppose the best option for now is to import PC games from overseas, then. You're SOL as a mature console gamer in Australia.
He stepped down as one of the state Attorneys-General. This was a national consultation. Unfortunately, it's the same political party that's making the decision.JWAN said:
This.FargoDog said:
Seriously... This basically sums up my thoughts on this whole thing, especially that last line. :S
*drawn-out sigh*
Oh Australia, when will you learn to trust people.
Really, this is just stupid reasoning. You released a survey to gauge opinion, and weren't satisfied with the results? Too many people supported it and the rest don't care?
This is just a big loop of self-fulfilling prophecy: They don't allow 18+ because they don't expect people to care about ratings, they don't listen to uproar because the amount that really don't care didn't vote. They just need to give up on their dated whims of censorship and protecting the children and just let people make decisions for themselves.
Really, this is just stupid reasoning. You released a survey to gauge opinion, and weren't satisfied with the results? Too many people supported it and the rest don't care?
This is just a big loop of self-fulfilling prophecy: They don't allow 18+ because they don't expect people to care about ratings, they don't listen to uproar because the amount that really don't care didn't vote. They just need to give up on their dated whims of censorship and protecting the children and just let people make decisions for themselves.
Guys, you have to understand this in the broader context of Australian politics at present. The government is trying to introduce an 'internet filter' which is causing a massive, ongoing controversy.
We will also have a federal election within the next year, and the government's approval rating has just plummeted. They are in no hurry to introduce an R18+ rating as any widespread discussion (ie in the general, non hardcore gaming community) may prove to be another distraction they could do without.
Seriously though, I'm just glad we're rid of South Australian Attorney General Michael Atkinson. For one man (out of 21 million of us) to have power of veto over a vote on this matter and the ability to suppress reports and studies at his discretion was a massive abuse of the system and not the way those powers were ever intended to be used.
p.s. who precisely are these 'experts' with whom they will be consulting and why on earth should 'church groups' have any say in the process? We have a thing called separation of Church and State here guys.
We will also have a federal election within the next year, and the government's approval rating has just plummeted. They are in no hurry to introduce an R18+ rating as any widespread discussion (ie in the general, non hardcore gaming community) may prove to be another distraction they could do without.
Seriously though, I'm just glad we're rid of South Australian Attorney General Michael Atkinson. For one man (out of 21 million of us) to have power of veto over a vote on this matter and the ability to suppress reports and studies at his discretion was a massive abuse of the system and not the way those powers were ever intended to be used.
p.s. who precisely are these 'experts' with whom they will be consulting and why on earth should 'church groups' have any say in the process? We have a thing called separation of Church and State here guys.
Considering we are still in the process of simplifying our on tax system (over 10 years, i've lost count), i can understand why this will take awhile.