Australia's Internet Filter Switches On In July

[kasperbbs]

If i got blocked out of a legal website that i wanted to visit i would ditch that ISP, hopefully thats not gonna happen. And isn't taking care of child abuse a job for the cops?

 

[Madara XIII]

Give control of the internet to corporations and corrupt and/or extremist politicians? What [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran] could [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China] go [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia] wrong [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea]?

LMAO Soooooo won. Thank you for bringing up my spirits

 

[Murais]

Huh. I think we just found the newest target for LulzSec and/or Anonymous.

 

[silverleaf81]

Please Lulz security and Anon: KILL THIS BEAST! Destroy the firewall!

 

[triggrhappy94]

I'm now exporting both video games and porn from America, if any Austrialians want to buy.

Actually I'm pretty sure they'll both get stopped in customs.

 

[SillyBear]

but the fact that their Censorship is so steep just makes the idea unbearable.

Australia overall actually doesn't have much censorship at all. You'll see the f bomb, the c bomb and quite often full frontal nudity on free to air television at prime time viewing slots. Their ideas on religion, cursing and sex are all incredibly laid back and it's rare to find an Australian who really takes offense to any of that.

The US is the exact opposite.

You are right, there is censorship in Australia - but there is just as much censorship in the USA. It's just a different kind of censorship. Australia's video game censorship is down to the fact they don't have an 18+ rating, which will change very soon. It's not really about "Oh my God we are offended by this horrible violence in Mortal Kombat! Let's ban it!" it's simply about not having a high enough rating system to classify it. As I said, that looks very likely to change.

So yeah, Australia isn't really the censorship capital of the world like so many Americans on this website think it is. I've been to both Australia and the US and trust me, the US has a much, much, much stricter culture. "God damn" gets censored on television in the USA. And in the South especially, "Christian values" censor everything from text books to art.

None of that happens in Australia. Personally, I'd prefer to live in a censorship culture like Australia than the US. This internet legislation is so incredibly overblown it's hilarious. No one will even notice the difference, all that will change is a few dodgy websites will be inaccessible.

It seems really trendy on this website to use slippery slope fallacy and to stand up for "FREEEDOM!". I've even heard some amazing quotes such as "no one has the right to take someone else's freedom away" (LOL) and "Once you start censoring criminal websites, you impact all of us". Nonsense.

News flash guys, many people have the right to take your freedom away. If you are a criminal you don't have the freedom to access your criminal websites and Australia is actually doing something about it. Sure we can all question just how effective this will be, sure we can all say "The paedophiles will just change websites and make it even harder to find them" well, so what? Who cares? If there is a website that traffics thousands of data of criminal activity, it should be fucking censored and blacklisted. I don't care if the criminals who use the website have to go somewhere else. If there was a park in my city where hundreds of thugs met up and caused havoc, and safety restrictions and precautions were install in the park - I would be happy. I wouldn't say like a smug wanker "Ehhh well the thugs will just go to another park... so who cares".

Paedophiles quite often only have one safe haven where they can spread their illegal images: It's the internet. Any action that makes it harder for them to share and upload those images should be supported by all of us. Real people are being hurt by these people. Paedophiles have the same rights as we do. They don't have the right to do illegal things.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

Comparing Australia to China? Please. They are censoring a few child pornography sites to prevent people from stumbling upon them. They aren't going to start censoring whatever the fuck they want, and they aren't going to turn into crazy dictators. All of you are using the slippery slope argument.

You cannot accidentally stumble upon a site with child pornography.

Yes, yes you can. My Father is a UK Police Officer who was worked in child crimes for over 25 years and over sees internet operations every few weeks. I know for a fact you can and many do. Most of it is unknowingly child porn.

Anyway, the rest of your post was just nasty and snidey so I'll just leave that out.

No. Just no.

*faceplam*

People who make child pornography don't go around making it easy to "stumble upon". One doesn't just Google "best ski resorts" and find a kiddy porn ring. In fact, the makers have many legal reasons (being devoid of empathy, the creatures they are) to make it very, very, very hard to find. You think these people make their crap easy to find? That they just set up a forum and start trading? Lol. You better tell all those computer technicians working with the police they aren't needed -- any Joe Blow can just use Google to find it. XD

Go ahead. Google something. I bet you $5000 you will not "stumble upon" anything akin to that. Try it.

5-15% of the content on some internet porn sites depict minors you nong. The police work with that. When I say child porn I'm not talking obscene paedophilia, I'm talking about 13-15 year old girls who most people don't even know are minors. If you bothered to do research on the issue, you'd know the Australian government are especially concerned with it. They're also concerned with people over the age of 18 who are deliberately made to look like minors. As I said earlier, my Father has made hundreds of arrests over it. And yes, you can quite easily stumble upon this.

I'll take your 5 grand now then?

You see the word child pornography and you automatically think I'm talking about under 10. I'm not. The huge majority of child porn is done with post-pubescent girls.

You win the bet by pulling a statistic out of the air, offering no references or proof and asserting facts? Lol. No.

 

[OutforEC]

Oh enough with the damn slippery slop arguments all this will do is block site that you shouldn?t even be looking that to begin with.

Says who? Unless there's transparency in which organizations are creating the list, what the reasons are for adding them, and the methodology taken in determining what to add, and unless an appeals process is added, who knows what websites will slip in unannounced?

 

[QuadFish]

As I said earlier, my Father has made hundreds of arrests over it.

Your dad has arrested hundreds of people for being unable to ignore their biological impulses as far as quasi-legal crimes who are too afraid to seek professional help because people want to wipe them off the face of the Earth the moment they hear 'potential paedophilic tendencies'?

Wow, big man. What new respect I have for your father.

NB I'm not defending convicted sex offenders. I'm saying a lot of the time these cases are seriously borderline. Have you thought for a moment what it must be like to be demonised for having thoughts? No one can go public about that or try to get help since their lives are basically threatened the moment anyone hears about it.

While I was pretty enraged at the time, SillyBear was understandably pretty offended by me slandering her dad, so I replied with an apology. I still don't agree with her and I'm glad for the discussion value that came from what I said, but I still don't think this came out the way I intended and I don't like it, even if some of her claims are pretty bit bold.

(PS Someone apologising on an internet forum? It's weird, even to me.)

 

[Formica Archonis]

I fell in love with your statement.... I truly did!!

Glad you liked it.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Thank goodness.

After a while I hope we can get this in the U.S. too so that we can phase out internet pornography

But then what do I have left to do when I'm home alone on a Friday night?

OT:

The more Australia does this sort of thing, the more I am ashamed that Australian Labor is connected to Socialism by its international affiliations.

 

[mrmash]

The more Australia does this sort of thing, the more I am ashamed that Australian Labor is connected to Socialism by its international affiliations.

That doesn't even make sense. The Labor Party isn't officially associated with any international left-wing group or movement. Labor are centre-left, not liberal left wing softies. They're on the left on many social issues, but the ALP has a massive catholic right-of-left wing that has supported it since the days of anti-conscription campaigns.

 

[mrmash]

Also, I'd like to point out this little detail, which a lot of people have missed.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FILTER. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO APPLY ANY FILTER THEY WANT.

CORPORATIONS are the ones who have decided to implement this filter.

 

[PUR3_GAM3R33]

Hey lulzsec, I got one last job for you.

^this

Well i can see the next annon target.

^and this

TBH,I really don't see this ending well even if Annon and Lulzsec step in or not =/

It will be a whole lot more entertaining if they do though.

definitely X)

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The more Australia does this sort of thing, the more I am ashamed that Australian Labor is connected to Socialism by its international affiliations.

That doesn't even make sense. The Labor Party isn't officially associated with any international left-wing group or movement. Labor are centre-left, not liberal left wing softies. They're on the left on many social issues, but the ALP has a massive catholic right-of-left wing that has supported it since the days of anti-conscription campaigns.

It is affiliated to Socialist International...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor

 

[JET1971]

Australia, the same country that's trying to ban swearing in public - have they MET an Australian? I'd offer my opinions on that, but it'd just get blocked...

I have alllot of AU friends... and they swear so much they would make an american biker blush.

And Oh god NO dont make that ileagle! no more kevin bloody wilson!!!!

Yeah i have had tons of conversations about this filter and I hope Anon does start a massive protest against it.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/internet-filter

latest news... "Conroy not dropping internet filter".

Shadow Innovation Minister Sophie Mirabella told the audience that the Coalition wouldn't support the policy because it wouldn't work ? particularly as it was unable to block peer-to-peer traffic.

It wont work to stop child porn, so why is this being pushed so hard? oh wait....

Tony Abbott out at Rooty Hill, of course, said that he would do whatever he could to stop people looking at filth," she said.

What does Tony consider filth? And why is his concept of filth being forced upon every Australian that just may enjoy that "filth" such as milf or gilf porn, lesbian or gay porn, S&M porn, male and female adults missionary style boring porn. or maybe the filth he is thinking about is horror movies? Sorry but no man or government should be allowed to filter anything just because they think its filth. one man/womans filth is not all man/womans filth.

This is not about child porn, its about blocking things they dont like!

Under the plan, internet providers like Telstra and Optus would be forced to block access to web pages containing RC material.

RC stands for "refused classification".

Thats half of youtube. thats escapist magazine because it has articles pertaining to games that are RC, after the filter is up and some government jerkoff sees an article here thats about an RC game.... guess what just got added to the filter!

 

[Madara XIII]

but the fact that their Censorship is so steep just makes the idea unbearable.

Australia overall actually doesn't have much censorship at all. You'll see the f bomb, the c bomb and quite often full frontal nudity on free to air television at prime time viewing slots. Their ideas on religion, cursing and sex are all incredibly laid back and it's rare to find an Australian who really takes offense to any of that.

The US is the exact opposite.

You are right, there is censorship in Australia - but there is just as much censorship in the USA. It's just a different kind of censorship. Australia's video game censorship is down to the fact they don't have an 18+ rating, which will change very soon. It's not really about "Oh my God we are offended by this horrible violence in Mortal Kombat! Let's ban it!" it's simply about not having a high enough rating system to classify it. As I said, that looks very likely to change.

So yeah, Australia isn't really the censorship capital of the world like so many Americans on this website think it is. I've been to both Australia and the US and trust me, the US has a much, much, much stricter culture. "God damn" gets censored on television in the USA. And in the South especially, "Christian values" censor everything from text books to art.

None of that happens in Australia. Personally, I'd prefer to live in a censorship culture like Australia than the US. This internet legislation is so incredibly overblown it's hilarious. No one will even notice the difference, all that will change is a few dodgy websites will be inaccessible.

It seems really trendy on this website to use slippery slope fallacy and to stand up for "FREEEDOM!". I've even heard some amazing quotes such as "no one has the right to take someone else's freedom away" (LOL) and "Once you start censoring criminal websites, you impact all of us". Nonsense.

News flash guys, many people have the right to take your freedom away. If you are a criminal you don't have the freedom to access your criminal websites and Australia is actually doing something about it. Sure we can all question just how effective this will be, sure we can all say "The paedophiles will just change websites and make it even harder to find them" well, so what? Who cares? If there is a website that traffics thousands of data of criminal activity, it should be fucking censored and blacklisted. I don't care if the criminals who use the website have to go somewhere else. If there was a park in my city where hundreds of thugs met up and caused havoc, and safety restrictions and precautions were install in the park - I would be happy. I wouldn't say like a smug wanker "Ehhh well the thugs will just go to another park... so who cares".

Paedophiles quite often only have one safe haven where they can spread their illegal images: It's the internet. Any action that makes it harder for them to share and upload those images should be supported by all of us. Real people are being hurt by these people. Paedophiles have the same rights as we do. They don't have the right to do illegal things.

Dude no need to inform me about the processing of criminals. I'm well aware of their rights being taken away. It's necessary and I accept that.

No I was just going on some insane Fanboy Tangent about the whole Mortal Kombat thing getting banned.

Secondly, Now that you mention it, you are right that the US censorship is much worse. I just didn't stop and think about it too well. Either way thanks for correcting me.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Child abuse, bad. Violation of children's rights.

Censorship, even worse. Violation of everybody's rights.

Living in a family that has been on the blunt end of child abuse, I cannot stand for the free spread of pedophile content anywhere. But I am so anti-censorship, for all the goodwill this has in it, and for all the kudos of stopping the motherfuckers who distribute child porn, that I can NOT be anything but outraged by this horrible, horrible movement.

I am sick to death of organizations taking the law into their own hands and doing a downright sloppy job with it.

 

[InsertEvilLaugh]

I highly doubt it will last long, but if it does, it will set a very nasty precedent, not much will stop them from blocking other sites that they feel aren't worth it. Net Neutrality FTW!