Australia's Internet Filter Switches On In July

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Korolev

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Again - a filter to stop ONLY CHILD PORN is fine. I have no moral problems with that.

But.... can you guarantee that the government would stop at that? I can't. I don't trust the government, I don't trust business, I don't trust just about anyone in power. Period.

Why make the blocking process secret, so secret that we don't even know who is on the censorship board? Why make EVEN THE CRITERIA for blocking sites secret? Why so much secrecy? Again, of COURSE you don't want to publish the child porn sites to the public, but why can't civil liberties lawyers or regular politicians look at the list?

I'm worried at the fact that there is no accountability, and that Stephen Conroy is a moral control freak. The man has said that he would ban even regular pornography if he could. I don't trust him.

Right now, there is no need to "freak" out. The filter is still voluntary and can be legally bypassed (although, rightfully, visiting child porn sites is still illegal, and always should be). But at the same time.... this could lead to bad things. The Government of Australia has, in the past, banned a lot of things. It was only till recently that the book "Lady Chatterley's Lover" was unbanned here. Yep, you heard that right - until the 19-freaking-80's, a completely tame book about an extra-marital love affair in England was deemed "obscene" enough to be banned completely. Not only that, books MENTIONING the ban were themselves BANNED! They banned all mention of the fact that the book was banned, that's some Orwellian crap right there! Eventually a copy of the book was smuggled into the country and it embarrassed the government enough to reverse the ban.

The Australian government bans a lot of things that are of no harm to anyone. Books discussing euthanasia have been banned as well - not books telling people how to kill themselves, but books discussing the matter AT ALL (except in a negative light). Now, I don't know about you, but I think I have the right to decide when and where I end my life, and I think that Australian society should have a fair discussion on this topic. The Government (both Labour and Liberal, which means conservative down under), think there shouldn't be a debate.

Hell, the previous Conservative (Howard Government) administration tried to ban pornography which starred women with small breasts, under the idea that "if they've got small breasts, they look a little bit like kids and a pedo could get an erection by watching it! Ban it! Ban it, it's evil!". The law didn't pass, because it was incredibly stupid (adult women with small breasts are NOT children for god's sake), but it highlights how warped and stupid our government can be.

It is for those reasons that I don't want the government to implement a filter. I do not trust them to use it responsibly, and I don't like the secrecy attached to it. Mark my words, in the coming months, you'll hear about non-child-porn sites that have been banned by this filter. And, mark my words, the government will do everything in it's power to stamp out any discussion of any potential wrong-doing on its end.
 

SextusMaximus

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MattAn24 said:
SextusMaximus said:
MattAn24 said:
WHY the hell are people so against this? They're blocking CHILD ABUSE/PORN WEBSITES. This is a GOOD THING.

Ugh..
Because it's not going to stop there, the Government will start banning sites that aren't illegal, just not convenient for them.
Bullshit.. People aren't THAT stupid. Why the fuck are people so damn paranoid!? They're targeting REAL dangerous websites. Not everything should be on the internet. Things are STILL illegal. You're not entirely rule-proof... Grow up, guys..
Sir, you've severely underestimated the stupidity of the Government - and don't tell me to grow up when I've said nothing against you whatsoever, that's just plain rude.
 

Rabish Bini

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Phoenixlight said:
Rabish Bini said:
If they block porn as you say, there will be mass rioting, Australia would turn into an anarchism, destroyed buildings etc.

I hope you meant to say 'child porn'

EDIT: Oh, and in case others don't know, in the Aus state I live in, you can be find a hefty sum on the spot for swearing in public.
No I just meant regular porn in general. And there wouldn't be any rioting about it, the few individuals that might stand against it would just be labelled as perverts and looked down upon by everyone else.
Alright, there may not be hufe rioting per se, but there will be a mass outcry against it. You seem to not realise just how many people actually watch porn and don't give a shit who knows it.
 

Dawning Age

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Well i can see the next annon target.
I know that anon is all for an uncensored internet, but we're Australia. Not much happens in Australia and usually we can't be bothered rallying against something that pisses us off, but I suppose not much has happened to actually piss off most of Australia. And even if there is a decent amount of people opposed, it will still happen. Not even the majority of Australia could stop the government sending us to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, does anyone know how much this will slow down internet speed, if any at all, because ISPs are checking what websites you want to go to against their black list. I hope the internet doesn't become as slow as the filtered internet at my school.
 

Alar

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SomethingAmazing said:
Fayathon said:
You know what, fuck this censorship thing. I'm not even Australian and this pisses me off. To any Aussies that are getting hit with this crap I have something for you:

The Tor Project [http://www.torproject.org/]

For those unfamiliar think of it as an uber-proxy, it takes a bit of TLC to get running quite right, and it's slower then regular internet, but it pretty well unblocks anything that you want once you've gotten it down.

For those that do know about Tor, well, I guess I needn't tell you about it.
They really should make this kind of thing illegal if it isn't already.

The government(And organizations like this) should have every right to block websites from user access.
They should also have every right to take books off of shelves that they find offensive, and take down blogs that might be anti-government, and stop peaceful protest rallies that don't agree with the current regime, or maybe they should halt the creation of material that parodies them, or points out their flaws.

EDIT: If you didn't get it, that was me being sarcastic as hell, because what you said seems like you REALLY didn't think it through before you posted it. Yes, I understand you probably meant to direct your comment at these child abuse/child porn websites, but your phrasing makes it so broad that it's basically tantamount to giving them control over the entirety of the internet.
ProfessorLayton said:
Merkavar said:
so its just stopping child porn? thats good so it wont affect me and like everyone else in the country.

wouldnt it be a better idea to not block the websites and just monitor who accesses the site?
I think I would rather get rid of the source rather than punish the guys that enjoy it... yeah, they deserve punishment, but just putting them in jail rather than blocking access seems a bit sadistic...

And the funny thing is people acting like the internet shouldn't be censored... we're talking about blocking child porn here. I don't care how anti-censorship you are, that's simply illegal and sick. If you really think that "personal freedom" should be so sacred that we allow child pornography to be shown anywhere then your morals are completely off.
The problem is, blocking the website is not the source. Finding the sick sons of bitches who actually make the porn is the source. Those are the ones you hang, and hopefully reduce the amount of child porn that exists.
 

ProfessorLayton

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Alar said:
The problem is, blocking the website is not the source. Finding the sick sons of bitches who actually make the porn is the source. Those are the ones you hang, and hopefully reduce the amount of child porn that exists.
True, but it's a first step.
 

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QuadFish said:
SillyBear said:
As I said earlier, my Father has made hundreds of arrests over it.
Your dad has arrested hundreds of people for being unable to ignore their biological impulses as far as quasi-legal crimes who are too afraid to seek professional help because people want to wipe them off the face of the Earth the moment they hear 'potential paedophilic tendencies'?

Wow, big man. What new respect I have for your father.

NB I'm not defending convicted sex offenders. I'm saying a lot of the time these cases are seriously borderline. Have you thought for a moment what it must be like to be demonised for having thoughts? No one can go public about that or try to get help since their lives are basically threatened the moment anyone hears about it.
Wow, what an enlightened opinion! My life in two paragraphs.

Seriously, I think this is the first time ever that I read a post like this, that's writer doesn't want to torture, mutilate, and murder me with all sincerity of his hearth, for having this thing in my brain.

Even if I never even watched any porn with real life underage children involved, and didn't actually HARM anyone, and of course I'm not even thinking about doing anything IRL, I have to spend my days reading about how society plans to hunt down me, the monster.

Though I guess now you will only be seen as the guy whose thinking is approved by the pedo freak, so my praise didn't exactly reach it's intention, sorry about that, but still.
 

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Hey look, Australia is clearly the most progressive, liberal-minded and free place in the developed world. I can't POSSIBLY think of a less restrictive place on this planet! [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SarcasmMode]

I think I just hurt myself.
 

tofulove

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i hate child abuse as much as the next rational guy in the world, but this is a slippery slope. today its the child abuse sick shit, tomorrow its the legal albeit sick shit, than its the normal porn, than its any thing the isp/government finds to be indecent, than its any thing they don't like.

as i said, child abuse is wrong, and it should be fought at the source, but as blanket censorship controlled by the few in power is not the answer, if it were controlled by the people it would still be scary, but much less so.
 

Someonetookmyname

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Lulzsec, i summon thee!

I mean seriously how long time will it take before anonymous or lulzsec hears about this, hacks it, and p*isses on the Australian governments body? (At least thecyber part of the government).
 

sumanoskae

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They do realize that this could come to resemble Fascism, correct?.

As for blocking the Child Porn sites, that's great in theory, but in practice, it's not going to help that much, not only for the reasons stated, but because you can't stop an industry, however discreet and depraved, by blocking one stream of revenue, they'll find others.

What this really does, unfortunately, is open the door for other people to complain and begin censoring things they consider obscene.

On this fucked up little rock called earth, there do exist people who are crazy enough, ignorant enough, dishonest enough, and self centered enough, to state that Call of Duty is just as obscene as child molestation.

The general populace is stupid enough to believe them, and the governments are greedy enough to exploit their stupidity.

This isn't going to stop child pornography, all it's going to do is license the powers that be.
 

guntotingtomcat

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Is this even fucking allowed?!?!
Child porn is fair game, but I reckon this organisation has only just got one toe in the door, ready to barge in.
 

Chibz

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Blitzwing said:
Then you aren?t thinking hard enough. Again why are people against this? All it?s doing is blocking illegal websites just because something might be abused doesn?t mean it will be abused.
Mostly because it's kicking the door wide open FOR abuse. What, they promised NOT to abuse such a feature? Yeah. I REALLY believe them.
 

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fundayz said:
SomethingAmazing said:
Rainboq said:
So they should have the right to censor their opposition from speaking?
Of course.

If the government had the ability to stop criminals from communicating with each other, organized crime would be a thing of the past. And any other crime would be relatively manageable. So yeah, I don't see what is wrong with hindering organized crime.
I tried to /facepalm but the fail in this post was so much that it got to me and I missed my face.

Seriously though, your ignorance is almost impressive.

Opposition =/= organized crime. 'The opposition' is a term referring to political parties, usually with a different political viewpoint than the ruling party.

On Topic: I don't understand how Australians aren't up in arms about this. If this happened here in Canada I'd be out rioting.
Better make sure to put on some goggles to protect yourself from tear gas. :p
 

samaugsch

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Jerram Fahey said:
Phoenixlight said:
No I just meant regular porn in general. And there wouldn't be any rioting about it, the few individuals that might stand against it would just be labelled as perverts and looked down upon by everyone else.
There may not be "rioting" but there'd without a doubt be a MASSIVE uproar and protests over it. The "perverts" likely outnumber the "non-perverts" ten to one, and while some of those "perverts" may not attend protests out of fear of being labelled a pervert, they will certainly sign petitions and make their voice heard anonymously.
Luckily, the politicians are likely too invested in porn to ever willingly outlaw it.
But back on topic, does anyone know what the two smaller ISPs mentioned are?
I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a "non-pervert".
 

NoeL

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samaugsch said:
I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a "non-pervert".
Well, there's no evidence of their existence, but it's the hypothetical opposite of a pervert. Someone lacking perversion.