pick up a copy of the newest ME comic, about TIM and you'll see a turian female. Or google it. If your wondering. I'm a work so most photo sharing sights are blocked or i'd post one. (If i had one here that is. LOL)Souplex said:
Awful Characters Find Their Way Into ME3
- Thread starter DeadSpaced
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Couldn't disagree more with the entire premise of the thread. There are plenty of Kaiden/Ashley fans.
And finally taking the time to actually investigate all of the characters dialogue trees and what not, I don't think Ash/Kaiden are as flat or annoying as people claim they are. All of the characters presented you a "front" that you found wasn't the whole picture when you talked to them more.
Wrex --> Krogan with a heart of Gold
Garrus --> Secret Renegade
Ash --> Tough girl recites poetry
Kaiden --> Secret bad ass killed people with bare hands
And so on, etc.
Maybe YOU still found them awful. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c]
Doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the game.
And finally taking the time to actually investigate all of the characters dialogue trees and what not, I don't think Ash/Kaiden are as flat or annoying as people claim they are. All of the characters presented you a "front" that you found wasn't the whole picture when you talked to them more.
Wrex --> Krogan with a heart of Gold
Garrus --> Secret Renegade
Ash --> Tough girl recites poetry
Kaiden --> Secret bad ass killed people with bare hands
And so on, etc.
Maybe YOU still found them awful. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c]
Doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the game.
But surely they would have some sort of feminine characteristics, like I remember Garrus discussing him getting it on with a fellow female Turian in his combat training, but if there was/were female Turains encountered, then I would expect they have some kind of feminine characteristic that defines them differently (different tone of voice, different body shape p.s. I don't need to see breasts the size of melons to realize it's a female but considering this bollywood look-a-like the OP has posted is Bioware's doing I'm glad I can be the sanctimonious little shit)Souplex said:
Don't be silly. Ashley wouldn't be caught dead at a Terra Firma rally.DeadSpaced said:
Anyway, I don't think they're really as bad as people say. Kaiden's just boring and people blow Ashley's patriotism way out of proportion (and ya, she's a little racist, but since it's against non-humans she's still less racist than a lot of people I know).
I'm more sad about Thane, he was awesome and he probably won't be in 3
Though Garrus and Wrex, hells yeah can't wait!
Though Garrus and Wrex, hells yeah can't wait!
It never ceases to amaze me just how much hate a Bioware character can earn by being humanly flawed. Apparently the worst thing you can ever do is try to tell someone about your problems, as no matter how justified you are, you will be labelled a whiner.
I ask Kaiden about himself and he tells me that he was (possibly intentionally) exposed to element zero as a kid, and then sent off to a brutal boot camp? What an emo!
Alistair, literally everyone you know and love is either dead or dying over the course of Dragon Age: Origins! That's no excuse to complain about it to the only person you could now consider a friend!
Jack, you were abducted and experimented on as a kid. Then once you escaped you had to survive as a child amongst the worst and most dangerous scum the galaxy has to offer. What possible reason could you have not to likable person?
Ashley, you're cautious around an entire galaxy full of sentient species that humanity has only just discovered because you believe they'll look out for themselves first just like humans do? This totally puts on par with the KKK, despite how you reject the Terra Firma party and Cerberus.
Ashley: Oh yes, I read poetry. Tennyson, and so on. You know, the classics.
Jack: Yeah, well I'm like, writing from the inside, y'know? It comes right from my soul. My tortured, tortured soul.
Ashley: Um... You haven't read the classics?
Jack: The stuff I read? It's like, so cutting edge you properly haven't even heard of them. You know, independent stuff.
Ashley: Oh yeah? Well Liara let me read some of your stuff on her network. Can't say I'm too impressed, baldy.
Jack: YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD, *****!
Either that or:
Ashley: Do you like poetry?
Jack: I fucking love poetry!
*Magical poetry power forever*
I ask Kaiden about himself and he tells me that he was (possibly intentionally) exposed to element zero as a kid, and then sent off to a brutal boot camp? What an emo!
Alistair, literally everyone you know and love is either dead or dying over the course of Dragon Age: Origins! That's no excuse to complain about it to the only person you could now consider a friend!
Jack, you were abducted and experimented on as a kid. Then once you escaped you had to survive as a child amongst the worst and most dangerous scum the galaxy has to offer. What possible reason could you have not to likable person?
Ashley, you're cautious around an entire galaxy full of sentient species that humanity has only just discovered because you believe they'll look out for themselves first just like humans do? This totally puts on par with the KKK, despite how you reject the Terra Firma party and Cerberus.
Jack writes her own, as you find out in the Shadow Broker DLC. There's two ways this may play out in Mass Effect 3:Uszi said:
Ashley: Oh yes, I read poetry. Tennyson, and so on. You know, the classics.
Jack: Yeah, well I'm like, writing from the inside, y'know? It comes right from my soul. My tortured, tortured soul.
Ashley: Um... You haven't read the classics?
Jack: The stuff I read? It's like, so cutting edge you properly haven't even heard of them. You know, independent stuff.
Ashley: Oh yeah? Well Liara let me read some of your stuff on her network. Can't say I'm too impressed, baldy.
Jack: YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD, *****!
Either that or:
Ashley: Do you like poetry?
Jack: I fucking love poetry!
*Magical poetry power forever*
That's like, your opinion man.
Seriously, you don't like the characters, that's fine. Whatever. But what about the people who did like them? They don't get the characters they like because they have a bit of depth? And they do have depth. Kaiden has legitimate reasons to have some grumblings and Ashley, though while a bit racist, isn't some bible-thumper hillbilly who hates people because they're different from them. I mean Kaiden isn't constantly whining on missions and Ashley doesn't complain when she's fighting alongside the Xenos in the group.
And what's this about it being lazy to bring back in established characters? So are they just supposed to add new characters each time? I mean, using old characters is so lazy. Why don't they make a new protagonist and antagonist too. I mean reusing Shepard and the Reapers is just the easy way to make Mass Effect 3.
And as for Mass Effect 2 characters coming back I'd imagine any that survive will make it back for ME 3. I know that they've already guaranteed a couple of them, so I'm guessing practically all of them will be returning (except for maybe Zaeed and Kasumi, being DLC characters and all). And if you lost them you lost them. Suck it up, you could have done better. I mean, it's not like you can't go back and redo the mission...
Seriously, you don't like the characters, that's fine. Whatever. But what about the people who did like them? They don't get the characters they like because they have a bit of depth? And they do have depth. Kaiden has legitimate reasons to have some grumblings and Ashley, though while a bit racist, isn't some bible-thumper hillbilly who hates people because they're different from them. I mean Kaiden isn't constantly whining on missions and Ashley doesn't complain when she's fighting alongside the Xenos in the group.
And what's this about it being lazy to bring back in established characters? So are they just supposed to add new characters each time? I mean, using old characters is so lazy. Why don't they make a new protagonist and antagonist too. I mean reusing Shepard and the Reapers is just the easy way to make Mass Effect 3.
And as for Mass Effect 2 characters coming back I'd imagine any that survive will make it back for ME 3. I know that they've already guaranteed a couple of them, so I'm guessing practically all of them will be returning (except for maybe Zaeed and Kasumi, being DLC characters and all). And if you lost them you lost them. Suck it up, you could have done better. I mean, it's not like you can't go back and redo the mission...
Moronic topic. Tonnes of people wanted Kaidan and Ashley back. They were romance options. Just because you didn't like them doesn't mean that they're worthless as characters.
I liked both Kaidan and Ashley, and I really don't think they were 'awful characters' so basically I disagree with you on the most basic level of your argument, and I'm sure a lot of people do as well.
But let's take it as if you are correct, and that Kaidan is an 'emo, who never ceased to complain about his bio-implants.' If you play through to the end of the game it's made pretty clear that he's mostly over his issues. Talking to him about BAaT right to the end reveals that he really is over his issues. The thirty second snapshot of him in ME2 isn't enough to profile him by of course but it looks like he's completely moved on and is now a pretty succesful commander.
Ashley is apparently disturbingly racist/xenophobic. Again, by the end of the game she acknowledges she was wrong in her assumptions, and you can even take her to the Terra Firma party rally and hear her say nice things about her alien crewmates, showing definitively that she is pretty much completely over her xenophobia.
Did you actually talk to these characters? Or play them? Have you played Mass Effect at all in fact? I don't know who you're describing, but it's not Kaidan and Ashley.
But let's take it as if you are correct, and that Kaidan is an 'emo, who never ceased to complain about his bio-implants.' If you play through to the end of the game it's made pretty clear that he's mostly over his issues. Talking to him about BAaT right to the end reveals that he really is over his issues. The thirty second snapshot of him in ME2 isn't enough to profile him by of course but it looks like he's completely moved on and is now a pretty succesful commander.
Ashley is apparently disturbingly racist/xenophobic. Again, by the end of the game she acknowledges she was wrong in her assumptions, and you can even take her to the Terra Firma party rally and hear her say nice things about her alien crewmates, showing definitively that she is pretty much completely over her xenophobia.
Did you actually talk to these characters? Or play them? Have you played Mass Effect at all in fact? I don't know who you're describing, but it's not Kaidan and Ashley.
I think you should learn to read and think a little better (not trolling by the way)DeadSpaced said:
They were major players in ME1, and some people liked them (I like kaidan, shut up) so its nice to have them back during the final struggle.
Plus ME2 characters ARE coming back, Garrus is coming and i have a funny feeling legion will to
I'm just gonna be sad cuz Mordin died at the end of ME2 for me and he was like the best dude, but you can't pursue a relationship with him for whatever reason, which is disappointing.
Yeah that resolved itself too easily if you ask me. Maybe my paragon pesuasion skills were just too high. I was expecting to have to shoot one of them or something. I didn't get that same feeling of tension like I did in the original when I had to talk Wrex down.DeadSpaced said:
Opinions, though.
Believe it or not, every character is liked by someone and every character is disliked by someone. Presumably more people like these characters than dislike them. If having either Ashley or Kaidan return is seriously enough to ruin an entire game for a person before they've even played it then wow, THAT is what I would call over emotional.
Personally, I don't have strong feelings regarding either Ashley or Kaidan, but it's not going to ruin ME3 for me if my favourite character isn't in it, or if my least favourite character is. Besides, ME2 made me like Liara after I hated her. Maybe you'll find the character has gotten a personality overhaul in the ensuing (however many years since ME1).
Believe it or not, every character is liked by someone and every character is disliked by someone. Presumably more people like these characters than dislike them. If having either Ashley or Kaidan return is seriously enough to ruin an entire game for a person before they've even played it then wow, THAT is what I would call over emotional.
Personally, I don't have strong feelings regarding either Ashley or Kaidan, but it's not going to ruin ME3 for me if my favourite character isn't in it, or if my least favourite character is. Besides, ME2 made me like Liara after I hated her. Maybe you'll find the character has gotten a personality overhaul in the ensuing (however many years since ME1).
This 100%. It's realistic to have people with opposing views to you. You know, like real life and all.Programmed_For_Damage said: