Basement Dweller

[Jofe]

Man, all this straw being flung around. If I was a mule, I'd be eating like a king.

Silly goose, mules don't eat straw

But seriously, I have no idea what's going on here, so that (horrible) joke's all I've got.

Here's what I've gathered: some guy wanted to hold a rally/panel/get-together/seminar/whatever so that he could spread his belief that rape should be legal while in/on private property. Backlash ensued, naturally, and the rally/panel/get-together/seminar/whatever was cancelled.

Apparently this situation has caused everyone to once again shit their pants and start barking at one another.

That's partially the case from what I've gathered. He was holding meetings all over the world but there's no way he was actually going to be present at all of them (or any of them if he really expected this backlash), the reason for the meetings being some vague explanation along the lines of building a closer community (but nothing to indicate he'd be talking about the legalize rape thing). The media blew the whole thing out of proportion with equally vague, poorly cited articles that and led people to draw all sorts of wild conclusions and incited backlash from around the world along with possible threats of violence. Roosh, "fearing for the safety" of his site's members, cancelled the meetings. He was eventually found at his mother's where the daily mail said he was living, but then retracted the statement because they actually didn't know where he was living.

His official story is that he does not want to legalize rape and the article in question was satire, and the rape accusations are from an out of context passage in a book, and that much of what was described was fictionalized bravado that doesn't properly reflect the situation that occurred.

Common speculation is that he's backpedaling and full of shit. I personally think that, even if he were telling the truth, he still promotes rape with his pick up tactics and has likely employed them at some point, so he's still a rape-advocate and has likely raped someone himself.

The whole thing about a massive amount of gatherings around the world was nothing more than fear mongering. There wasn't going to be any type of make rape legal discussion at that size (Can't attest to the one where he was present though, but I doubt it) or any kind of gathering at all. The whole thing about legalizing rape seems to be more related as a counter argument against the feminist idea of "teach men not to rape" with him wanting women to be more accountable of their own safety. Now don't get me wrong, seeing some of his statements I too think the guy is a giant asshole, but this is only another example of the usual feminist trend of making things look worse than they are.

 

[RJ 17]

Snip.

Ah, so it's basically a bunch of people braying at one another when no one really knows what they're talking about with regards to the situation.

Sounds about par for the course in terms of internet controversies.

 

[DEAD34345]

Ok. This guy has some horrible opinions about women... What's the joke? That he's depicted as a facehugger? That his mum might be angry?

I don't get it, maybe I'm missing something?

 

[Leg End]

Ok. This guy has some horrible opinions about women... What's the joke? That he's depicted as a facehugger? That his mum might be angry?

I don't get it, maybe I'm missing something?

Apparently it's more of a reference to a previous panel but even then the joke just doesn't really seem... there.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Ok. This guy has some horrible opinions about women... What's the joke? That he's depicted as a facehugger? That his mum might be angry?

I don't get it, maybe I'm missing something?

The context being that some newspaper found him in his mom's basement. Originally they reported he was living there (later they retracted it because they weren't sure he was in fact living there)

 

[DayDark]

I really really don't understand the appeal of this neo-masculinity bullshit, not only is it restricting what a woman could be, but also what men could be. Return of Kings really needs to widen their perspective, I understand they really really want the 30's back, but their not coming back.

 

[PhiMed]

Great. So when are you going to create a comic about radical feminists?

"I feel that man-hating is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them. Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor"

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig. Andrea Dworkin"

"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men. Sharon Stone"

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future ? If There Is One ? Is Female"

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience. Catherine Comins"

And I will await the inevitable "Those aren't real feminists" and the "Those are just taken out of context" or "Those are just jokes", because only women get to decide who is for what when it suits them.

Oh, no. They are real feminists.

And they are wrong.

Just like this guy is wrong.

There is a difference between the Followers of a Movement and the Fringes of a movement.

On the Base, Feminists want equal rights.

Then you go to the different levels of Feminists. Some think that the Patriarchy needs to be subverted for the Matriarchy. Some think all men are rapists waiting to happen. Some want equal pay for equal work (the fiends!). The message STARTED as Equal rights between Genders. And certain fractions took the idea and amped it up or dialed it down. With every movement.

I'll be very, very honest... I'm not really sure what the movement this Roosh guy is a subsect of. But I'm sure there are people more militant than he is. And I'm sure there are people in the same movement who thinks he is extreme.

So, my point is thus; Picking people who are inherently wrong to compare to another person who is inherently wrong doesn't disprove or prove anything. It just deadlocks the issue. To say all of a movement is encapsulated by those we vehemently abhor ignores the truth about humanity that there is no black or white, but every perceivable type of grey imaginable.

Brush off the loud haters, talk moderately with those who will listen, move on with life.

None of those people he listed were on the fringe of Feminism. None of those quotes were outliers. This is the core of Feminist doctrine.

 

[Edl01]

Roosh V wants media attention. The more he gets the more...you know what I think I've said this enough time before that I may as well give up on a lot of people realizing this.

The phrase no publicity is bad publicity exists for a reason and Roosh V knows this, for every 1,000 people who read this and laugh there will be 1 crazy enough to read his dogma and agree with him. People are literally(unintentionally) promoting his cult.

 

[monkeymangler]

Great. So when are you going to create a comic about radical feminists?

"I feel that man-hating is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them. Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor"

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig. Andrea Dworkin"

"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men. Sharon Stone"

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future ? If There Is One ? Is Female"

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience. Catherine Comins"

And I will await the inevitable "Those aren't real feminists" and the "Those are just taken out of context" or "Those are just jokes", because only women get to decide who is for what when it suits them.

Oh, no. They are real feminists.

And they are wrong.

Just like this guy is wrong.

There is a difference between the Followers of a Movement and the Fringes of a movement.

On the Base, Feminists want equal rights.

Then you go to the different levels of Feminists. Some think that the Patriarchy needs to be subverted for the Matriarchy. Some think all men are rapists waiting to happen. Some want equal pay for equal work (the fiends!). The message STARTED as Equal rights between Genders. And certain fractions took the idea and amped it up or dialed it down. With every movement.

I'll be very, very honest... I'm not really sure what the movement this Roosh guy is a subsect of. But I'm sure there are people more militant than he is. And I'm sure there are people in the same movement who thinks he is extreme.

So, my point is thus; Picking people who are inherently wrong to compare to another person who is inherently wrong doesn't disprove or prove anything. It just deadlocks the issue. To say all of a movement is encapsulated by those we vehemently abhor ignores the truth about humanity that there is no black or white, but every perceivable type of grey imaginable.

Brush off the loud haters, talk moderately with those who will listen, move on with life.

None of those people he listed were on the fringe of Feminism. None of those quotes were outliers. This is the core of Feminist doctrine.

CITATION NEEDED

Do you have any proof that those aren't just fringe members? Every movement has crazy people in it. Roosh is a good example of a crazy in the men right's movement (even if he claims he doesn't represent them, apparently), but no one is making that claim that he represents the entire MRA movement. He's a loon with scary views, just as the women you quoted are.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Apparently you care enough to type a bunch of posts. ;p

If Roosh and the KKK get to voice their opinions, what's wrong with others voicing (or in the case of the comic Drawing) their opinions about them?
Seems pretty even to me.

Well, I'm not interested in discussing some guy I'm supposed to hate, but when people go "WHAT?!" over me not being interested, that's pretty hilarious.
No, there's nothing wrong with opinions, as is nothing wrong with stepping aside and not discussing a thing.

A fair enough attitude to have, but it doesn't really match with your actions. You did chose to join the conversation.

That said though, I don't think the issue people are having with you is that you don't want to talk about some guy you're suppose to hate, so much as your comment about them demonizing Roosh over his opinions (and actions) suggests to others that you don't find his opinions or actions worthy of such offence.

That isn't what you said, and may not even be what you actually mean, but that is a implication that could be drawn from what you typed. The fact that we're all typing instead of talking in-person makes the risk of such implications even worse when we are brief with each other.

Basically, people think you think that Roosh's believes or actions don't warrant public scorn. You saying you don't want to be a part of the conversation doesn't actually mean you think that, but people can draw that conclusion.

And Honestly, I'd say someone saying things like "women are inherently inferior to men", or "rape should be legal on private property" are indeed worthy of being mocked or criticized.

Spoiler: If them doing so leads them to be demonized. Well...

(Let me know if it does more than second 6-9. Only wanted that bit, but sometimes the code doesn't work.)

 

[monkeymangler]

Roosh V wants media attention. The more he gets the more...you know what I think I've said this enough time before that I may as well give up on a lot of people realizing this.

The phrase no publicity is bad publicity exists for a reason and Roosh V knows this, for every 1,000 people who read this and laugh there will be 1 crazy enough to read his dogma and agree with him. People are literally(unintentionally) promoting his cult.

That said, a lot of this thread has been educating people on who he is. For every person he snares for his cult, ten more can warn others when his name comes up in conversation. People didn't start tuning out the WBC until enough people knew that they were a group of monsters rather than an actual church.

 

[Edl01]

Roosh V wants media attention. The more he gets the more...you know what I think I've said this enough time before that I may as well give up on a lot of people realizing this.

The phrase no publicity is bad publicity exists for a reason and Roosh V knows this, for every 1,000 people who read this and laugh there will be 1 crazy enough to read his dogma and agree with him. People are literally(unintentionally) promoting his cult.

That said, a lot of this thread has been educating people on who he is. For every person he snares for his cult, ten more can warn others when his name comes up in conversation. People didn't start tuning out the WBC until enough people knew that they were a group of monsters rather than an actual church.

Fair enough point. Roosh for me is a bit of a sore spot cos he was on the TV a couple weeks back on a BBC documentary, and while they criticized him they still broadcasted footage of one of his crazy speeches nationwide.
Hilariously enough I actually thought the documentary was fake when I first heard him speaking, then it actually cut to Roosh V and I was all, "aw hell nah".

 

[FFHAuthor]

Return of Kings?

All I can ever think of when I hear about this...whatever the hell they are...is that it's the title of another upcoming Joe Ledger novel.

 

[Jofe]

CITATION NEEDED

Do you have any proof that those aren't just fringe members? Every movement has crazy people in it. Roosh is a good example of a crazy in the men right's movement (even if he claims he doesn't represent them, apparently), but no one is making that claim that he represents the entire MRA movement. He's a loon with scary views, just as the women you quoted are.

Roosh V. isn't part of the men's rights movement. He hates the MRA and the MRA's don't like him either and is well documented on his site what he thinks of the movement. If he's an advocate of anything is his own perceived right to one night stands. MRA's most probably have crazy people among them, but Roosh V. isn't one of them.

On the feminsts quotes

Robin Morgan
Since the early 1960s she has been a key radical feminist member of the American Women's Movement, and a leader in the international feminist movement. Her 1970 anthology Sisterhood is Powerful has been widely credited with helping to start the contemporary feminist movement in the US, and was cited by the New York Public Library as "One of the 100 Most Influential Books of the 20th Century [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Morgan]

Andrea Dworkin
Dworkin authored ten books of radical feminist theory and numerous speeches and articles, each designed to assert the presence of and denounce institutionalized and normalized harm against women. She became one of the most influential writers and spokeswomen of American radical feminism during the late 1970s and the 1980s [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin#Legacy_and_controversy]

Sally Miller Gearhart
Sally Miller Gearhart (born April 15, 1931) is an American teacher, feminist, science fiction writer, and political activist.[1] In 1973 she became the first open lesbian to obtain a tenure-track faculty position when she was hired by San Francisco State University, where she helped establish one of the first women and gender study programs in the country.[2] She later became a nationally known gay rights activist. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Miller_Gearhart]

I will say that these 3 women aren't just fringe members and are recognized on academic circles.

On Catherine Comins I couldn't find a wikipedia page, which is the easy way to show this info, but found one Time article that shows that quote and it says Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar [http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,157165,00.html]. So while maybe not as influential as the previous women, she held (holds?) a significant position at a College.

Sharon Stone is hard to say as her acting career gives her influence but it might not really give her the same reach.

Also, those are just some examples, there's a lot of main stream feminists who have said things in the same vein against men and some of them even are part of the curriculum for Women's Studies courses in the U.S.

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

Should be an interesting 'discussion'.

Though I would ask which is the bigger 'zing' - that shot at Return of Kings, or the fact that something so supposedly 'unimportant' (according to so many folks around here) is still getting attention.

Er, zing.

Is getting attention as a laughing stock some kind of win?

Well, it's working for the Kardashians.

 

[Mikeybb]

Mrs Xenomorph looks like a strong, independent classy lady who did her best to raise her brood in adverse circumstances.

I don't hold her at fault for one bad egg.

 

[Deathfish15]

I hate the dude-bro not only for his views against women, but how he also thinks that all men should be "strong, masculine heterosexuals". Basically he's homophobic as well as anti-women. And well...that pisses me off. He's just one hate against any other human characterizing collective from being a Nazi.

 

[CaitSeith]

Apparently you care enough to type a bunch of posts. ;p

If Roosh and the KKK get to voice their opinions, what's wrong with others voicing (or in the case of the comic Drawing) their opinions about them?
Seems pretty even to me.

Well, I'm not interested in discussing some guy I'm supposed to hate, but when people go "WHAT?!" over me not being interested, that's pretty hilarious.
No, there's nothing wrong with opinions, as is nothing wrong with stepping aside and not discussing a thing.

slo, right?

Let me write it in my list, so I don't fall for it again.

...and done. Let us know when you want to actually discuss something. Bye!

 

[marioandsonic]

Is this about that Return of Kings guy, or whatever?

I don't understand why people are giving him attention. If you just ignore him, he'll go away.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Wait, if the Aliens procreate by the Face-Huggers implanting an egg in a host, and then the Alien Drone bursts from the host, wouldn't that make the Face Hugger the dad (or mom) of the big alien?