Battlefield 4's a "New Form of Cultural Aggression", Says Chinese State Media

StormTheGate

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Oskuro said:
Rainboq said:
This is inevitable when you're making games framed in a modern conflict.
It is not inevitable. You can make a game where you face a real-world country and still not come across as jingoistic.

The problem with these sorts of media (not just games) is not that they pit one nation against other nation, but rather that they demonize one of the contenders.


Want a US vs China game? Sure thing, have a US campaign where China are the bad guys, and a China campaign where the US are the bad guys.

But no, apparently our culture is so in need of validation that "our" side needs to be portrayed as the unjustly attacked underdog that fights the Global Threat of Doom.

And note that I'm not criticising the US specifically. Everyone is somewhat guilty of this, even when the enemies are aliens, the undead, Orcs, or killer turkeys, it is always about agrandazing ourselves via demonization of the "others".
This. Why can't we have a game where we play as the other side and the US are the aggressors? It's not like we haven't completely gone out of our way to go stomp on a country (i.e. Vietnam, Iraq.) I want another game like Spec Ops, one that just makes you feel uncomfortable but you can't seem to take yourself away from it.
 

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Li Mu said:
You can raise 'student suicides' and I could mention 'US school shootings'.
I could also bring up the mass execution and imprisonment of political opponents/dissidents, the occupation of Tibet, treatment of workers etc
 

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martyrdrebel27 said:
Nazi Nazis
How does that work? Is it like Nazi's that are Nazi's to Nazi's or is it more of a super ubermensch Nazi?
Nazi Nazis are two separate types, one is what we would call Orthodox Nazi, that are ubernazis, but they are constantly battling the Nazi Nazis who Nazi(v.) the Nazis. Ubernazis think they are the most Nazi Nazis, so they don't like to be pushed around, but its in the Nature of Nazi Nazis to Nazi the Nazis. Its a complex political landscape in Nazylvania.
 

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amazing.
the government trying to keep tide control over their people. seriously, i went to chine and they treat you like a criminal when crossing the border. checking your passport carefully and still a damn camera in your face and checking every single feature to make sure its really you. still calling over a guy for extra check and asking questions about me what i do here and other personal stuff.
and on the way back they did the same damn thing. im leaving your country and you are still treating me like this like im chinas most wanted.

how come germany doesnt complain about them being the bad guys in games? so many people think nazis is germany.
 

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Metalrocks said:
amazing.
how come germany doesnt complain about them being the bad guys in games? so many people think nazis is germany.
A. Because they have publicly accepted their history.
B. Any game with Nazi references is banned there.
 

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Can't we just have more games where aliens are invading? Seriously, fuck those guys. And as an American, I'd wish we'd stop blowing our load everywhere. Yes, thank you COD and Battlefield, we're awesome I know it. Can you please make a game where the main character ISN'T a part of the USA military? Just for a little fucking variety? Can we go back to the days were we actually played as the British and Russians?
 

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DrRockor said:
Why is it that Homefront is the only modern war game that has used North Korea as the bad guys? We're all in agreement they aren't good and don't really care if they get upset right?
Because this is their navy:
http://www.militarylulz.com/image/militaryfunny/small/1304/win-north-korea-military-funny-1366203181.jpg

And this is their air force:
http://www.memeboat.com/post_image/503103.jpg

It's basically impossible to have a modern war game about the U.S. getting invaded without it being stupid or offensive. It would take several of the most powerful nations in the world working together to even pose a small threat. Even the Soviet Union would have suffered a crushing defeat without the help of nuclear weapons. Personally I'd like the next COD game to be about space Nazis. At least then I don't have to pretend to take their nonsense seriously.
 

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StormTheGate said:
This. Why can't we have a game where we play as the other side and the US are the aggressors? It's not like we haven't completely gone out of our way to go stomp on a country (i.e. Vietnam, Iraq.) I want another game like Spec Ops, one that just makes you feel uncomfortable but you can't seem to take yourself away from it.
There was an article on here (Critical Intel I think?), that covered the insane restrictions the US Military/government puts on movies/tv/videogames if they want to have any kind of access to equipment, advisers, or use their various distinct logos/uniforms/etc in it. With most MMS's shooting for realism, to the point of licensing guns and helicopters, they're probably dipping into that pool, which means you won't see the US Military lose definitively, or various negative portrayals.
 

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DrRockor said:
Why is it that Homefront is the only modern war game that has used North Korea as the bad guys? We're all in agreement they aren't good and don't really care if they get upset right?
Well, the first Mercenaries game used North Korea. And it was at least a little bit more plausible, because between the South Koreans, the Allied peacekeepers, the Chinese and the Russian Mafia faction(I did say a little bit more plausible), North Korea was really just the trigger for the conflict, and bounty target/punching bag for the other factions for most of the game.

Mind you that was a PS2 game though, I suppose the point does still stand.
 

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Ma Zhengang said, stomping on a Tibetan's face.

Not having played BF4 yet, I can only offer two opinions: A) I extremely doubt the entire Chinese nation is demonized as a global threat and B) we really need to get back to WW2 games, ideally from the Axis perspective.
 

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Wait...

There's a STORY to Battlefield? And... A SINGLE PLAYER mode?!

HOLY FUCK, HOW DID I NEVER NOTICE TH- Okay, I can't keep this up.

I'm not surprised the reaction is as such and being aware of the story now thanks to the earlier post, it really does show how that guy is more concerned with 'image' than 'truth'.

Can't really say I care. Fiction is fiction. 2142 had USA and EU against the China/Russian alliance, middle easterns were painted as the bad dudes for a while in BF2 and various Russians and PMC's are often targets for these villain roles too.

Get over it dude, it's not like the game is painting the entirety of china as some fucking evil soulless slave state or some bullshit. And if it IS, it's not like anyone actually CARES about the story in BF campaigns. They complete it to unlock the stupid crap in it and then never look back after getting into multiplayer.
 

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Metalrocks said:
the government trying to keep tide control over their people. seriously, i went to chine and they treat you like a criminal when crossing the border. checking your passport carefully and still a damn camera in your face and checking every single feature to make sure its really you. still calling over a guy for extra check and asking questions about me what i do here and other personal stuff.
and on the way back they did the same damn thing. im leaving your country and you are still treating me like this like im chinas most wanted.
Amazing indeed, it sounds just like going through a US airport! Every serious government wants control in one fashion or another, however I think that the US' is the most despicable because they're playing the 'patronize me' game while constantly vilifying other countries(which either have oil or refuse to accept the dollar as their reserve currency) as O MA GAD, TERRORISTS! Your government are your frigging terrorists for constantly terrifying you with nukes and chemical weapons!
 

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Besides declaring war on the US does the game do anything to actually "demonize" China?

While I can see how a politician who doesn't play video games would think this, I never really considered that just because X country is the enemy of US the game is automatically makes it racist or propaganda.

This reminds me of the time when Venezuela (I think it was Hugo Chavez) claimed that Mercenaries II was part of the US's plan to wage psychological warfare against the country.

jackpipsam said:
Metalrocks said:
amazing.
how come germany doesnt complain about them being the bad guys in games? so many people think nazis is germany.
A. Because they have publicly accepted their history.
B. Any game with Nazi references is banned there.
I think it has more to do with contemporary politics. Currently, Germany doesn't really have any political beef with the US. While relations between the US and China are better than say relation Between US and USSR during the Cold War, every year there seems to be some political issue that causes friction between the US and China. The recent spat between China and Japan over those islands is evident of the contention between the US and China. Therefore anything that portrays China in a negative light can be seen by them as a form of political slander and/or propaganda (whether its intentional or not).

erttheking said:
Just for a little fucking variety? Can we go back to the days were we actually played as the British and Russians?
How far back are we talking? All Modern Warfare games had you play as British or Russian soldiers for half the campaign and the British Solders were always the main characters. Battlefield 3 had you play as Russian soldiers for some of the missions (granted they weren't MCs). And didn't Medal of Honor: Warfighter have you play as soldiers from multiple countries?
 

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I can't really blame them. Especially since the entire world knows that America is actually the bad guy that keeps invading other countries for oil and other riches under the guise of "protecting the democracy". It's ridiculous. That military and gun culture has got to stop. It's not healthy.