Baby Tea said:
Well, pardon me if I completely disagree.
See when I played BF:BC2, I played as a soldier at first, because I figured it would be good for medium range combat (Assault rifle, after all). And I got my ass handed to me again and again by every other class. So I switched to an engineer, since they seemed to have much better luck at killing me then everyone else. And guess what? I slaughtered everything. I was taking out tanks, helicopters, people, and blowing up crates left right and center.
You would think that, in a class based game, the guy who is made for anti-vehicle combat, and vehicle repair, would be less effective in straight up infantry combat then the guy who is only good for infantry combat. But no, the soldier class is useless.
Interesting, almost every time I've faced Engie as Assault I've owned them. I think you were on the wrong end of a good player and bad luck.
But let's say that I just didn't use the soldier class effectively. Let's just say that my play-style isn't suited to the soldier class, and someone else can use the soldier class to great and proper effect.
The problem with your argument is that you assume that since BF:BC2 has set classes, that teamwork will automatically play more of a role then in MW2. Well after months of playing the first Bad Company online, and months of playing CoD:4 and MW2 online (And years of playing FPS games online since Quake), allow me to respectfully disagree.
That's not why I would say it has more teamwork.
I'll disagree because nobody in my time playing either Bad Company 1 or the demo for Bad Company 2 played as a team. I don't really know how you could anyways, since you can only talk to up to 3 people because of the 'wonderful' squad system, but nobody played as a team.
Just half an hour ago, I wasn't even communicating with my squad, but the four of us stuck it out in a house, helped each other out with the tools specifically designed for squad play (ammo boxes, medkits, defibs, etc.), and owned all comers. BC2 allows for and
rewards squad play far more effectively than CoD.
Sure, everyone was going for the crates, but that's hardly playing as a team. Everyone in every other FPS is going to kill the other team, but that doesn't mean you're 'playing as a team'. It means you share goals. Even IF you share goals, since on multiple occasions I saw guys just driving vehicles in circles, or hovering around the spawn-point for a vehicle in order to get the 'good' tank or helicopter first.
People will be people.
Yeah, fantastic team work.
And before you say 'well you have to get the right people', then let me say right now that you can do the same thing in MW2. Teamwork gets you far in any points-based, team game (FPS or not). Yeah, MW2 is faster paced, with tighter maps, no vehicles, and no set class system,. but I have a group of guys that I play with in MW2 who work as a team, and we slaughter a team of randoms. Why? Teamwork.
You don't have to get the right people so much as not get the wrong people. I'd say from my experience that most people are willing to play at least loosely as a squad.
There is nothing about Battlefield that makes it to more prone to teamwork then MW2, or any other FPS for that matter.
1. Equipment specifically for squad play; repair tools etc.
2. Rewards for good squad play. In CoD, an assist is almost a negative. In BC2, it's got it's own scoring system based on how much damage you did and whether the final killer was in your squad or not. rewards for repairing a teammates' vehicle, healing a teammate/squadmate, resupplying a teammate/squadmate.
Nothing. Working together? You'll do better. Not working together? Then you're only as good as your best player. There is only one FPS I've ever played that forces team-work on people, and that's Left 4 Dead. Otherwise, this idea that Battlefield is the pinnacle of team-based FPS games is a farce.
I wouldn't call it the pinnacle yet. I'd say it's much better than CoD. I'd say I love it. I'd hazard a guess that you came into this game with preconceptions and didn't stick with it long. Your loss, in my humble opinion.