Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Invades Sales Charts

[aegios187]

The game is really fun online, they definitely need to take some things back from BF2 series though. EA Online continues to be a shit stain on the overall experience. Lag in game isn't really bad at all. Organization CAN trump Skill but only if a large enough part of the team is organized to make it work.

Few changes that would of made things better aside from the EAOnline interfacing is


#1 Make the underneath nade launch a "gadget" and take a slot and not be integrated on most of the assault rifles. Every assault has this damn thing and it is so cheesy at times, only time it works OK is when FF = On.

#2 Make an explicit Squad Leader role and let someone assume it, if not filled. Have SL/Command XP and unlocks (like 2142) or SL only "gadgets" that a person can equip.

#3 Bring back the Commander Role and give some benefit of having a formal command structure. Use the bid system of BF2.

#4 Allow Squad leaders to talk to other SLs and the Commander in VOIP. VOIP being restricted to individual squads makes little sense.

 

[Simriel]

We thought we were buying shares in BBC2. What a low dirst trick DICE!

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

(Snip)

You're missing the obvious. During the MW2 dedicated servers controversy DICE revealed that BBC2 would have dedicated servers. That the game was also a Battlefield game, a series well-known for great big multiplayer battles (something, again, MW2 doesn't have), couldn't hurt.

Ultimately, DICE advertised BBC2 as the smart PC gamer's alternative to MW2 and seems to be succeeding. And good on them, I say.

Perfectly rational, even if it isn't to your tastes.

 

[DrEmo]

Well, pardon me if I completely disagree.
See when I played BF:BC2, I played as a soldier at first, because I figured it would be good for medium range combat (Assault rifle, after all). And I got my ass handed to me again and again by every other class. So I switched to an engineer, since they seemed to have much better luck at killing me then everyone else. And guess what? I slaughtered everything. I was taking out tanks, helicopters, people, and blowing up crates left right and center.

You would think that, in a class based game, the guy who is made for anti-vehicle combat, and vehicle repair, would be less effective in straight up infantry combat then the guy who is only good for infantry combat. But no, the soldier class is useless

Well, maybe you're just not good at the game. I thought the assault class was great, if not a bit overpowered, against infantry.

 

[cabalistics]

I don't really care unless it helps Dice make Mirrors Edge 2

 

[Aanorith]

Personally, I'm not very fond of the Cod:mw games. I liked the singleplayer more then online. Not to mention i'm not a big fan of FPS in general. But I really enjoy playing Bad company with friends over skype. Like Viruzzo said it's

You know, I played the demo for a while, and I can't disagree more. Apparently I'm the only person not drooling over this ho-hum release, but nothing about this game says 'the thinking man's FPS'. At all.

And I don't get this 'Modern Warfare is for frat-boys' (and thus implying it to be a 'not thinking' FPS) mentality. It's faster paced, you certainly got that right, but 'frat-boy-esque'? I fail to see how the game is designed that way.

Basically put down: Battlefield games are strategic and rely less on the "skill" of the single player. If you play in a decently organized and coherent team, you will obtain incomparably better results, while in MW2 (and most other non-class-based) FPSs it's more about being able to shoot people better than they can shoot you.
As all games that privilege skill over teamwork (in loose terms), it caters more to those who strive to achieve mere superiority over their peers, to achieve a sort of "alpha status", that is, the "fratboy" kind of people.

Personally, I'm not very fond of the Cod:mw games. I liked the singleplayer more then online. Not to mention i'm not a big fan of FPS in general. But I really enjoy playing Bad company with friends over skype. Like Viruzzo said it has team work. The tanks, boats, helicopter, different classes and skills, great game modes. Rush is my favorite

 

[Radelaide]

I see... I'm dumbfounded by this.

MW2 was a complete disappointment, so everyone decides to buy a game with basically the exact same premise? I just... What? Modern Warfare 2 earns in a crap ton of money, everyone hates it, and now BBC2 earns a crap ton of money. Guess what's going to happen in a few weeks?

Think about it this way: MW2 was a complete disappointment because it was a completely irreverent sequel that was over-hyped and that was completely undeserved.

This was made by people who realise what a good thing they've got their hands on and continued to make an excellent game (from what I've seen/heard).

Does that help?

 

[bassdrum]

Yep, I quite like this game. I'd be playing it right now if I wasn't thousands of miles from home... but instead, I get to converse with you people. It's almost a passable substitute.

Moral of this story: interactions with real people are far less rewarding than those with digital characters.

 

[Caliostro]

I've had several friends buy BC2, play for a day, quit and then invite me into MW2. I can't see into other people's minds or anything but I take it that this game might not be all that good on the PC.

Wait... BC2 might not be all that good on the PC, but MW2 is? Backwards logic is backwards?

BC2 is quite awesome on the PC, fyi.

I have to admit, the Gameplay trailers look good - does it have dedicated server support for the PC? Not repeating my MW2 mistake of giving it a chance.

Yes, yes it does.

I see... I'm dumbfounded by this.

MW2 was a complete disappointment, so everyone decides to buy a game with basically the exact same premise? I just... What? Modern Warfare 2 earns in a crap ton of money, everyone hates it, and now BBC2 earns a crap ton of money. Guess what's going to happen in a few weeks?

A diamond is a rock. Pebbles are also rocks. Pebbles are not diamonds. See what I'm getting at here?

BC2 uses the same "modern warfare" setup, but does it right. What I dislike in MW2 isn't the modern combat setting, I was actually looking forward to it based on that setup, but the fact that it manages to repeat every mistake from the previous iteration, then trash all the things it actually did well, and add some more mistakes for good measure...

And I don't get this 'Modern Warfare is for frat-boys' (and thus implying it to be a 'not thinking' FPS) mentality. It's faster paced, you certainly got that right, but 'frat-boy-esque'? I fail to see how the game is designed that way.

Because if it was any more dumbed down it would only use one key?

Between the 2/3-bullets-kill-everything-with-stopping-power, "invici-shield", instant-kill-thrown-knives, and the absurd kill streak rewards (why would you give such high advantages to someone technically already owning everyone is beyond me... And a literal "I win button"? Really?) the game actively rewards anti-game tactics: camping, "turtling" with the shield, and "tag"/meatgrinder mechanics (i.e.: first to come across the other wins, respawn, jump back in). Notice how I didn't even go into lag and limitations created by the lack of dedicated servers.

Now, I hate the expression "thinking man's fps", but there's definately a hell of a lot more tactical "requirements" to be good in BC2 than in MW2.

 

[Doug]

I have to admit, the Gameplay trailers look good - does it have dedicated server support for the PC? Not repeating my MW2 mistake of giving it a chance.

Yes, yes it does.

Excellent. Question is, can I be arsed to go to the shop and buy it, or do I pay alittle more for the steam version. Well, I say alittle more, with current petrol prices, its probably works out the same

 

[ratix2]

See, this is what happens when you don't royally piss off your fans buy removing something that has been a staple of PC gaming since it started. That and actually releasing a balanced game. No dual shotguns here!

I've been wanting to get this, but im not sure whether to get it on PC or Xbox. I have the first Bad Company on Xbox, and so it was relatively easy to find twats online. However, only 16% of copies of B:BC2 were bought on PC, so there might not be many full servers with low ping on PC.
Does anyone have any recommendations?

despite the pc version having sold fewer copies than either console version dice has said that the pc version has more people playing online than both the ps3 and the 360 versions COMBINED.

I'm guessing pirates are the cause of that...

problem is that with dedicated servers, unlike listen servers, pirates are forced to use hacked servers which in many cases dont show up in server browsers and are not counted by statistics. theres also the fact that pc games tend to have more people play online than console games. only about half of those on xbox live are gold members, and silver members cant play online (the exception being cross platform mp games and thats only because of gfwl is free), and then not all of those gold subscribers dont play mp games. psn is similar as well. but that still doesent change the fact that the pc has more online players than both console versions combined, and my comment was made in response to someone who was curious about the player base of the pc version.

 

[hypern]

I have got to love that game.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

The enjoyable digs at other games that my friend pointed out were, more than enjoyable.

 

[Mozza444]

For me the beta on the PS3 was terrible.. but maybe in a months time and a few youtube video reviews watched... i may just pick it up from the shelves.

 

[Tankenstein]

I love this game but it is very buggy server wise. I mean like half of the people who bought it cant play the multiplayer.

You may want to lookup the definition of "bug (computer science)". If you would read the article:

Demand for the game was so high across the board that all three versions had technological issues created by overloaded servers. According to a post on the Battlefield blog [http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2010/03/07/battlefield-bad-company-2-server-update-2010-03-07.aspx##], producer Gordon Van Dyke said that developer DICE was allocating further resources to help lighten the load.

I'm sorry, but...what?

Have you played a Battlefield game? While, yes, they are both FPS' set in modern times, the two games are completely different at their core. MW2 is all about fast-paced, arena-style combat, BC2's battles take place with tanks, helicopters, HMMWVs and an assortment of vehicles all at the players' command across some pretty big damn maps.

Modern Warfare 2 is a game designed for the twitchy, frat boy-esque, Counter-Strike crowd whilst BC2 is more of a thinking man's "blow the shit out of everything" shooter. That's not even counting destructible environments, no killstreak rewards, no perks, etc.

Exactly. BTW CS is a lot more strategic than MW2, maybe Quake is a better term for comparison?

I don't want to hate on mw 2, i have it, i totally agree, exept that quake is better.

 

[Tankenstein]

Ugh....why does the derivative crap always sell so well? MW2 and now BBC2. Why do people continue to buy this generic, shoddily controlling crap?

Are people really that thick?

Bad company 2 is not generic, go to hell, fanboy.

 

[Irridium]

Ugh....why does the derivative crap always sell so well? MW2 and now BBC2. Why do people continue to buy this generic, shoddily controlling crap?

Are people really that thick?

Bad company 2 is not generic, go to hell, fanboy.

Compared the the lighthearted and fun story of Bad Company 1, it seems its more genaric. Instead of funny characters in a light-hearted story about gold, you have "grr, serious" characters in a gritty story about war.

See, this is what happens when you don't royally piss off your fans buy removing something that has been a staple of PC gaming since it started. That and actually releasing a balanced game. No dual shotguns here!

I've been wanting to get this, but im not sure whether to get it on PC or Xbox. I have the first Bad Company on Xbox, and so it was relatively easy to find twats online. However, only 16% of copies of B:BC2 were bought on PC, so there might not be many full servers with low ping on PC.
Does anyone have any recommendations?

despite the pc version having sold fewer copies than either console version dice has said that the pc version has more people playing online than both the ps3 and the 360 versions COMBINED.

I'm guessing pirates are the cause of that...

problem is that with dedicated servers, unlike listen servers, pirates are forced to use hacked servers which in many cases dont show up in server browsers and are not counted by statistics. theres also the fact that pc games tend to have more people play online than console games. only about half of those on xbox live are gold members, and silver members cant play online (the exception being cross platform mp games and thats only because of gfwl is free), and then not all of those gold subscribers dont play mp games. psn is similar as well. but that still doesent change the fact that the pc has more online players than both console versions combined, and my comment was made in response to someone who was curious about the player base of the pc version.

I see, my mistake then.