Battlefield Producer Thinks Most Sandbox Games Are "Boring"

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I have to agree and disagree with this guy. Sandbox games tend to disrupt the narrative flow of a storyline, particularly when someone says "Hurry over there to save generic character X" and you spend the next five days dicking around with side quests. There's no sense of urgency or time, and in reality, the only good sandbox game with a plot would be one that molds the story's structure over the character's actions and not trying to shoehorn a plot around all the side quests and exploration a player is going to be doing. Sandbox games are more like the new age parent that says you should be free to express yourself and then gently encourages you to do it this way instead. But sandbox games aren't exactly "boring" in the sense that you can't do anything exciting in them; the benefit of a sandbox is that the enjoyment a player gets out of it is in their hands. They're building the ride instead of just sitting in someone else's. It's a dynamic that has positives and negatives, but, in my opinion, there's too many negatives to this style of game.
 

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Kevon Huggins said:
well there goes 1 pre order
thats one of the reasons we were buying battlefield 3, for the ability to explore the map and choose different ways to attack the enemy thats why we still play battlefield 2 . More like cod black ops and mordern warfare,so its going to be a pile of overpowered weapons killstreaks and over linear gameplay . shit this just gonna play some BFBC 2 until they say it was a joke
...This is referring to Single Player, not Multi Player though?
 

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InfiniteJacuzzi said:
Istvan said:
So battlefield 3 will be a CoD clone? That's all I needed to know about that.
Hardly. Here's how DICE deals with those fucking quickscopers.

Its starting to look more and more like a silly Cod\bad company hybrid, I just want my Battlefield 2\2142 back.
 

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Dr. McD said:
Jumplion said:
It'll be interesting to see what Battlefield will come up with. I hope that it will deliver a better told story overall than most shooters (*coughcoughHomefrontcoughcough*), though I somehow doubt it.
Of course the story will be better than Homefront, it's not very hard to beat John Milius in the story department when Homefront's writing was beneath the core of the earth, Gears of War was more emotional than Homefront.
On the topic of Homefront, I already stated my opinion on it [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.270991-Homefront-Dev-Will-Make-Sequels-Campaign-Longer-if-Fans-Want-It#10423537] (hooray for self promotion!)
 

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Does it really matter?
So long as I can still create a 'new door' in a building or wall rather than being forced to go through the one the builder intended, and can select whether I pile my squad into a tank, jeep, chopper, golf cart etc I consider an FPS to be a sandbox game.

What more do you want?

Its a military-based FPS not an RPG or Adventure game
 

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joebthegreat said:
Korusho said:
Its nice they just spit in the face of most RPG gamers, RTS gamers and everyone else who enjoys a good sandbox experience. I can hope he really is just trying to get the game to sell better, but I doubt it.
What what what what what?

RTS games aren't sandbox AT ALL. Maybe 4X games can be kind of considered sandbox, but your standard RTS puts you in a very limited area with set specific missions, and on completion you simply move to a new limited area, sometimes with time limits. That's as linear as it gets.

And what do you mean you doubt he's just trying to get the game to sell better? Do you think spitting in the face of RPG gamers somehow is more important to him than selling his game?

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Anyway, to all the haters out there, he's not attacking your favorite game necessarily. The heart of the statement is something I'd have to agree with. Sandbox games can often leave a player lost or confused about the progression of the story if not done right. Without linear story to hold the players' hands it is much more difficult to keep the players attention. I can think of several moments where a buggy sandbox game left me confused as to what was the side quest and what was the main quest, and in either case I didn't necessarily know where on the map I was supposed to look.

It doesn't mean your favorite game is bad. It only means that sandbox games in general are harder to make interesting story-wise. The gems out there are so good because they can capture your attention anyway.
You don't know what an RTS is, obviously.
 

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Hmm, you see now I like Sandbox gameplay but I also like Linear set piece gameplay, but which is better?

 

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All games shouldn't have multiplayer either,but EA seems hell bent on half assing that feature into every game
 

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I guess because I'm such a "boring" person, I'll just drop my (theoretical) preorder to Battlefield 3 and grab a (not theoretical) preorder of Skyrim. Honestly, you aren't going to magically get CoD's fanbase this way. You need to make a better game first.
 

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That kind of makes sense. There were a lot of games that tried to be sandbox and didn't really get how it's done. There were a lot that did suceed, though, so I think his commentary is unwarranted.

Even if it's as a means of comparison the last thing a Battlefield fan wants to hear is that it'll be more like CoD. I hope this isn't softening us up for the announcement they'll do away with vehicles. If they do that I might switch to Homefront permanently.
 

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well bfbc2 single player was shit and the call of duty campaigns were always entertaining. (for me)
I have to agree about open worlds. I works beautifully with games like gta but I really didn't like that style in farcry for some reason.
 

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I get the feeling that this article would not have been published if the title were more accurate:

"A Person Feels Like One Style of Gaming is Not For Him"

How is this news?
 

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I don't see anything wrong with what he said. Some games, by the nature of their subject matter just make more or less scene to be a sandbox. War is very structured right up to the point you start shooting, what are they going to do? send you out on recon missions when you... look for someone getting their ass kicked and then help out? that could easily be done in a scripted mission, and for me to consider the game a sandbox it'd have to be a significant portion of the game. I just have a really hard time envisioning a true sandbox war game, not a single player one anyways. Make it a MMO with your quest hubs and it makes scene.

Btw when i think sandbox i think GTA, minecraft, Spiderman 2, Just Cause 2, WoW kinda counts... Assassin's Creed counts as well

Basically i would consider any game with an overworld (preferably persistent)where you spend most of the game with the possible exception of missions, a sandbox game. Not to be confused with games with very non-scripted, yet distinct levels, like your Hitman: Blood Money, and your Thief III (thief doesn't count because there is very little to do in the over-world it's simply the place between missions).
 

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ZeroG131 said:
Why can't game developers just shut the fuck up. God,everyday they either bash another game or go after a part of the community. -_-
Game developers are people who think about, play, and make games. They have strong opinions on games. You know, good for you, you don't care. But I think a GREAT MAJORITY would prefer talkative developers to corporate mouthpieces.
 

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InfiniteJacuzzi said:
Istvan said:
So battlefield 3 will be a CoD clone? That's all I needed to know about that.
Hardly. Here's how DICE deals with those fucking quickscopers.

Uh, let's see here.

Scripted.
Unrealistic.
Linear level.
A minimum of tightly-controlled player input.
But trying hard to be cinematic.
CoD clone.

Battlefield has never been a sandbox game, so I can't really see what his statement could except code for "our maps are going to be tiny and compensate for it with bloom."

But people make good points when they say that BFBC2's SP was crap and can't very well be ruined.