Bay: Transformers 3 Getting Rid of "Dorky Comedy"

[Uncompetative]

His first Transformers was the best movie of all time

I'd "REALLY" like to see some evidence for that opinion.

Specifically how it beat certain other "best movies of all time", like Citizen Kane, Psycho, Doctor Strangelove, Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz, Back to the Future, Bladerunner, Casablanca, Star Wars, The Third Man, Taxi Driver, Singing in the Rain, Fight Club, Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark or The Godfather.

I make a separate distinction between Cinema, Film and mere Movie. It also helps that I prefer mindless trash as it gives my brain a rest...

So, ranking by category best to worst (using your choices):

Cinema
Blade Runner
Taxi Driver
Citizen Kane

Film
The Third Man
Fight Club
Psycho
Doctor Strangelove
The Godfather
Casablanca

Movie
Transformers
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Wizard of Oz
Star Wars
Back to the Future
Singing in the Rain
Jaws

Transformers is the ULTIMATE MOVIE as it manages to combine:

- high school romance
- family comedy including a cute dog
- kung-fu
- the President of the United States
- car chases
- the U.S. Military
- cybercrime
- alien invasion
- Arctic exploration
- killer robots
- mysterious "Men in Black"
- breakdancing
- Musical numbers*

With visuals so pervasive and convincing that I totally forgot that I was watching CGI after the first ten minutes.

*Note: Bumblebee communicates through excerpts of songs on the radio.

originally posted: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.114692-Is-cgi-ruining-films?page=2#2102190

Logically, any multi-genre movie is automatically superior than any single genre movie. Every genre in the mix is handled compellingly and the whole thing holds together with an unexpectedly high level of coherence. It should be a mess, but it transcends its disparate parts to become a perfect popcorn, lucrative video game spin-off and merchandising tie-in, blockbuster.

 

[Podunk]

Yeah! Screw those robot twins! They were totally what was wrong with the first two movies! Oh, right, they weren't in the first one, were they? What's Bay's excuse for that p.o.s.? And while we're on the subject, let's be proactive- What will his excuse for this next p.o.s. be?

 

[Raithnor]

I call bullshit.

Bay did the character designs for the transformers before they wrote the script, he also did all of the Robot Action CGI before the story was in place.

The Twins and their resultant voices, mannerisms, and dialouge weren't the result of writers going "What this move is urban ghetto speaking (and badly done at that) robots." it was the result of Michael Bay signing off on the character design.

If they hammer out a script that keeps the needless childless BS to a minimum, great. However two things might happen as a result: Boring padding like the computer hacker plot in TF1, or the forget about this statement and they just rehash all of the goofy crap in TF2.

Either way this whole release stinks of spin control to convince people that TF3 will be worth watching after the mess that was TF2.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

It also helps that I prefer mindless trash as it gives my brain a rest...

Even if you do prefer mindless trash, there are SO many better movies.
Plan 9 from Outer Space, Beyond the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens, The Man with Two Brains, Frankenhooker, Leprechaun in Da Hood, Zombieland, Shaun of the Dead, Charlie's Angels, The Truman Show, Cube, Mysterymen, The X-Men, Wayne's World, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Conan the Barbarian...

Seriously, watch some more movies, I'm begging you.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

People, just because the twins are being put in the grinder doesn't mean we will be getting a better movie. One, remember Michel Bay took a giant robot made out of 5 (or 7, I don't remember which) called Devastator (I think) and had him just dig a hole. People remember him for the balls, but even if you cut those off, he is still just a robot used as a construction crew. Without the horrible comedy, Michel Bay now only has one very wobbly leg to stand on (since the crutch that was the story has been crushed by Earth moving equipment) is the action. Since Bay can't make an action scene have any kind of focus to save his life (really, the climax fight between Optimus and Megatron of the first film we didn't see anything of because every other person was in the way), this is not a good thing.

 

[kaiser_what]

Bay raped my childhood because he is trying to do something different with the Transformers franchise

 

[Uncompetative]

It also helps that I prefer mindless trash as it gives my brain a rest...

Even if you do prefer mindless trash, there are SO many better movies.
Plan 9 from Outer Space, Beyond the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens, The Man with Two Brains, Frankenhooker, Leprechaun in Da Hood, Zombieland, Shaun of the Dead, Charlie's Angels, The Truman Show, Cube, Mysterymen, The X-Men, Wayne's World, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Conan the Barbarian...

Seriously, watch some more movies, I'm begging you.

Actually, I've already seen most of those. One big problem: NO ROBOTS.

 

[Caliostro]

Wait... Out of ALL the atrocities both "films" committed, the "dorky humor" (there was humor?) was the part Bay chose to focus on?

I feel the need to quote House:

Dr. Gregory House: You wake up in the morning, your paint's peeling, your curtains are gone, and the water is boiling. Which problem do you deal with first?
Dr. Eric Foreman: House!
Dr. Gregory House: None of them! The building's on fire! "

Same thing here. The whole thing has been one train wreck after another. The "dorky humor" is basically the paint peeling off... Bay, your metaphorical house is on fire... Fix that first.

 

[I Max95]

i hated the comedy and the twins were anoying
the new robots NEED MORE SCREEN TIME
sideswipe was fucking awesome for the FIVE SECONDS he was on screen and why dont they put him in more
oh yeah because he was too busy with the TWINS!
my enjoyment of that movie would have doubled if the twins were replaced with Sideswipe (my favorite one)

 

[F-I-D-O]

YEY! he gets it! although i lied the twins =( they added comedy for me...but aslong as Bumblebee stays and more badass characters are added (Blurr anyone? or Rumble?)

Anyways, this should hopefully be the movie we all want, it will hopefully be better than all the Slag he created last year.

Not until he changes the robot style. Blurr wasn't really ever a human vehicle, and judging by how they changed the color of Ironhide and Ratchet, Blurr might be green.
I just hope he doesn't replace the twins with Sideswipe and Sunstreaker.

The 'comedy' was one of the worst things about the movies (especially the second) in my opinion, but just leaving it out won't magically turn them into good movies... I don't really believe the third one will be any good if the first two sucked so hard.

Still... Damn, Shockwave. Is it a bad thing if I kinda want to go see TF3 now, just because he's gonna be the main villain?

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/DurrHurr/characters/shockwavecomic5qw2.jpg

No. It is perfectly to see it with shockwave. Except his transformation and actual robot design are probably going to hell. Hopefully they do at least his attitude right.

Blech. Bayformers. I LIKE MEGATRON AS A GUN DAMNIT! He blows up all of Times Square with one blast from his arm cannon! But now, lets make him a jet that flies out of Hoover Dam or a tank that runs away...
Plus they killed Jetfire. This is unforgiven.

 

[Sonicron]

I said it about the Nostalgia Critic's review of TMNT and I will say it here.

I don't give a damn how awesome an actor is, if he isn't fit for the role then that is that.

Fine then, I can actually get behind that sort of thinking. Would you care to elaborate on why you think they were mismatched, and who you're talking about in particular?

Whoever that Cheetah guy was annoyed me to no end. I got the toy line first and the show second and when I first heard his voice, I was just baffled at how different it was to how I imagined it.

Ian James Corlett... I agree that Cheetor annoyed me a fair bit at times, but it was usually because of his dialogue, not his voice. Besides, the character was the Cybertronian equivalent of a guy in his late teens or early twenties; considering that I can't say that the voice was mismatched, even though it could get annoying.

 

[zHellas]

"[The Twins are] basically gone."

Good. They ruined the film for me' they got way to much screen time.

I think they should be back in the 3rd film for one scene, then get blown up/die horribly.

 

[Buizel91]

YEY! he gets it! although i lied the twins =( they added comedy for me...but aslong as Bumblebee stays and more badass characters are added (Blurr anyone? or Rumble?)

Anyways, this should hopefully be the movie we all want, it will hopefully be better than all the Slag he created last year.

Not until he changes the robot style. Blurr wasn't really ever a human vehicle, and judging by how they changed the color of Ironhide and Ratchet, Blurr might be green.
I just hope he doesn't replace the twins with Sideswipe and Sunstreaker.

The 'comedy' was one of the worst things about the movies (especially the second) in my opinion, but just leaving it out won't magically turn them into good movies... I don't really believe the third one will be any good if the first two sucked so hard.

Still... Damn, Shockwave. Is it a bad thing if I kinda want to go see TF3 now, just because he's gonna be the main villain?

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/DurrHurr/characters/shockwavecomic5qw2.jpg

No. It is perfectly to see it with shockwave. Except his transformation and actual robot design are probably going to hell. Hopefully they do at least his attitude right.

Blech. Bayformers. I LIKE MEGATRON AS A GUN DAMNIT! He blows up all of Times Square with one blast from his arm cannon! But now, lets make him a jet that flies out of Hoover Dam or a tank that runs away...
Plus they killed Jetfire. This is unforgiven.

He still has his arm cannon, or something like it, you saw it at the end of the first one when he shot Optimus into a building, but it's like all the other guns now, they need to transform their arm to use any weapon they have. =\ but yeh, he should turn into a gun, or maybe the cannon when he was Galvatron?

 

[Yelchor]

The humor in Revenge of the Fallen was unpleasant and quite disturbing to say the least, certainly not very fitting to an epic story of ancient machines battling throughout the galaxy with Humanity in danger of being squished inbetween.

Taking that factor away alone would likely be a considerable improvement from the way I see it.

I still ponder on how Michael Bay lowered himself to such levels. He made one of my favourite movies, The Rock, where american patrioism actually fitted in to the atmosphere while being able to give an interesting perspective on the morality of goverments and soldiers alike.

Maybe it would just be simpler to have him stick with those things, and let someone who understands the Transformers franschise to a greater extent work on these movies.

 

[BlueHighwind]

Now, remind me again, why would I care what Michael Bay does to a franchise I've always hated and will never watch again?

if you didnt care you wouldnt have read or posted...

Oh yes, you saw right through me. I'm actually madly in love with the Transformers series, but unfortunately she is a cruel woman; she refuses to take my advances. Alas, her heart is another's... Shia Labeouf. Oh Transformers, my darling! Let my lips press up against yours so that we can be man and woman forever! Let us not worry about the world at dawn and give in the fiery PASSION!!

 

[Atmos Duality]

Sorry Michael Bay. But you already showcased everything that is wrong with modern cinema in your financially successful cockup of a movie.

You might be learning what you did was wrong, and you might not have even been the creator of some of that nonsense.

But as director, it's still ultimately you who says what goes into YOUR movie.
You thought that walking racist stereotypes, unfunny bullshit humor, and dogs fucking [twice!] were necessary in your already long film.

I hate to break this to you, but your actions speak louder than your words, Bay.

But who am I to judge? You proved that the cinematic equivalent of burning sewage will sell as long as your marketing is good enough.

Still, you will never get another ticket sale out of me.

 

[MrGFunk]

"[The Twins are] basically gone."

Good. They ruined the film for me' they got way to much screen time.

I totally forgot about the twins. Eurgh! So bad. A low point of a film of low points, all it needed was a song with a choreographed dance rountine with transformers and humans.

 

[Ninjamedic]

He just needs to learn when to cut out unnecessary scenes. And he is starting to get it.

Fucking this.

That whole stupid scene in the 2nd movie when Sam's mom ate hash brownies was so pointless. Grrr. Stupid Micheal Bay.

The best example of what im talking about.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Well, as much as I doubt that this wil turn out well and Bay's movies are generally bad (except for Bad Boys 1 and 2. Especially 2.), it's good to see he's listening to people's complaints.