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Triple G

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Gralian said:
Ah, gender roles and equality, where double standard is the king with budding compatriots social compliance and confirmation bias.

I've seen and heard a lot of people say fight for a women's rights and show she's not just a subservient housewife, and yet never once have i heard anyone fight for male rights. That we're not all MANLY MASCULINE MEN WHO DO MAN STUFF. You know, not the kind of guy who's automatically good at DIY, doesn't enjoy sport, and yes - is the emotional, sensitive type. You know what's even more bigoted than this? The supposed belief that anyone fitting this description is also a homosexual. I don't know if that's just exclusive to where i was brought up, but that's the assumption - if you don't do MANLY MAN things, you're too soft, too girly and probably gay because you're not enough of a MANLY MAN. How nice.

I really hate the term "be a man", even if it is just a 'figure of speech', because i can tell you now whether it's meant to be taken as a literal term or not it's just as damning as saying 'you're too girly / sensitive / some other variant'. It implies that there's still a gender divide because hey, MANLY MEN control the world right? And that women are somehow lesser because - oh look, they can't "be a man". Even if, again, they could "metaphorically" it's still pretty damn offensive. It'd be better if people said "toughen up" or something similar. Aside from that, it's complete blatant ignorance of the other party's feelings and neglects the fact that, actually, maybe there is something wrong that can't be overcome just by pounding one's chest like a fucking ape.

The fact "be a man" is still such a prevalent phrase in today's society shows gender equality still has a loooong way to go. For both genders. And let's not even talk about the rampant xenophobia and other equality issues That's another topic for another time.
Sorry to disagree with you and call me "Captain Conservative", but I really think that the genders are different, not only in terms of anatomy. YES, it's best to keep the rights equal, BUT I think the metal differences between and women are there for a reason. Even if those kinds of different behavior ARE society-bound.

I really heavily dislike society, but I believe, that having differences between the genders is a good thing. I know it's all just a society convention that women have to look good and feminine, and men have to be strong. The unisex concept is a little bit wrong IMHO, because if we all turn totally equal and same, life will be robbed of it's beauty, at least a fraction of it will be lost forever.

The genders have to be opposed, because that's the only way they can coexist really. We are all people with emotions and needs, and we need to fulfill them. I started dumping peer pressure and social acceptance early on, and now most people I know dislike/hate me, because I'm not normal. But even in my deep asocial existence, I couldn't imagine myself without mental and sort of physical strength.

As a man, you need to be strong in todays world, it's an "elbow-society", if you're not ready to "fight" for yourself, your loved ones, your dreams, then "you just lost the game", to say it in a meme. And really, if I would wake up in a world where all women have become muscular, unclean and unattractive, while men became whiny pussies who can't stand for themselves, I would look for other people like me, and if that failed, kill myself. I wouldn't even bother to kill anyone, because IMHO they would be punished enough as it would be.

Sorry for the "ignorant" and "sexist" rant at the end, I just had to say this. I hope yyou understand my point and get where I'm coming from with this opinion, aand can understand and respect my beliefs.
Thank you.
 

Paksenarrion

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Snotnarok said:
Paksenarrion said:
Snotnarok said:

All I can think of is this when I hear it
Damn, ninja'd.

I agree, though. To be a man, you must be swift as a coursing river, with all the force of a great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon.
No joke I ninja'd like 10 people. There should be a badge for a c-c-combo breaker like that.
I'm surprised there isn't a "ninja'd" badge!
 

ender214

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If you really think posting about your feeling on the Internet is the best way to get support, you probably deserve the abuse for being a retard. Really, I couldn't care less, and I don't want to hear about it. Go talk to a psychiatrist or something.
 

enriel

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All emotions that are experienced by humans on a day to day basis are equal, and though people would like to say otherwise, there is no 'true' emotion. Being happy is simply a pleasant experience, which makes it feel more 'right' to the ever pleasure-seeking human mind, as opposed to sadness. However, sadness serves its own purpose, in that, without it, happiness would have no frame of reference and therefore be a moot point as an emotion.

That being said...no seriously, be a man! Or get back to the kitchen!
(for the easily offended I feel the need to note the sarcastically veiled feminism)
 

Comrade Mateo

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RadioActiveChimp said:
Watch Gurren Lagann and you'll learn what manly is.

Pshaw, he isn't manly. Just look at him! Those glasses are totally pink! I could easil-[neck snapped]
 

Comrade Mateo

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Comrade Mateo said:
RadioActiveChimp said:
Watch Gurren Lagann and you'll learn what manly is.

Pshaw, he isn't manly. Just look at him! Those glasses are totally pink! I could easil-[neck snapped]
OT: I find the whole 'be a man' thing more of a running joke than anything.
 

Nouw

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It's an expression.

Suitable:
Crying when watching a sad movie.

Unsuitable:
Crying because your friend beat you for a job.
 

Wardnath

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As someone currently suffering from depression, I have four words to say to those holier than thou:

Shut. The fuck. Up.

It's really none of your fucking business what I sob over, so get the fuck over yourselves.

I'm willing to bet that I'm older than half of these freaks who think some things can just be snapped out of.
 

enriel

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esin said:
What is a man?
A MAN is someone (generally male) who partakes in an activity that is MANLY.
MANLY activities are things that are generally high in both STUPID and AWESOME.

Example: WRESTLING A BEAR. YYYEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH.
 

esin

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enriel said:
esin said:
What is a man?
A MAN is someone (generally male) who partakes in an activity that is MANLY.
MANLY activities are things that are generally high in both STUPID and AWESOME.

Example: WRESTLING A BEAR. YYYEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH.
[http://media.photobucket.com/image/dracula castlevania/Reddeath444/castlevania-dracula.jpg?o=5]
Foolish mortal.
 

digipinky75910

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esin said:
What is a man?
Thanks, I couldn't have asked for a better introduction-

What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world, the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust?

Shakespeare covered the very question here, imo, best in "The Scottish Play" - http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacBeth

When the main character is told all he has to do is murder the king to become king himself, and then starts having second thoughts about it, his wife goes into this lengthy tirade about if he doesn't go through with it he cannot call himself a man.

Later, by contrast, along the way Macbeth has murdered a man named Macduff's entire family because it was prophecized he would be a threat to him. Macduff's friends break the bad news to him and try to cheer him up:

MALCOLM: Dispute it like a man. (Man up. Go kill the man who murdered your family.)

MACDUFF: I shall do so;
But I must also feel it as a man.
 

enriel

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esin said:
enriel said:
esin said:
What is a man?
A MAN is someone (generally male) who partakes in an activity that is MANLY.
MANLY activities are things that are generally high in both STUPID and AWESOME.

Example: WRESTLING A BEAR. YYYEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH.
[http://media.photobucket.com/image/dracula castlevania/Reddeath444/castlevania-dracula.jpg?o=5]
Foolish mortal.
Disapprove.
 

esin

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pinky75910 said:
esin said:
What is a man?
Shakespeare covered the very question here, imo, best in "The Scottish Play" - http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacBeth

When the main character is told all he has to do is murder the king to become king himself, and then starts having second thoughts about it, his wife goes into this length tirade about if he doesn't go through with it he cannot call himself a man.

Later, by contrast, along the way Macbeth has murdered a man named Macduff's entire family because it was prophecized he would be a threat to him. Macduff's friends break the bad news to him and try to cheer him up:

MALCOLM: Dispute it like a man. (Man up. Go kill the man who murdered your family.)

MACDUFF: I shall do so;
But I must also feel it as a man.
Damn!, never crossed my mind how apropos Macbeth would be for this. And God was the Lady far, far more terrifying than any man in that play.
 

Korolev

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People who are clinically diagnosed with depression should not be told to "man up". In quite a few cases, a chemical imbalance (Yes Tom cruise, they are real) can cause depression and there is literally nothing the sufferer can do about it. They can fake being happy, they can hide their depression, but they can't stop feeling depressed. Telling these people to "man up" is wrong, because apart from medication, there is nothing they can do. I know a guy (won't say what his name is obviously), who has no real problems with his life. He is moderately wealthy, his career is solid, he has a loving family - and yet, he has a serious case of depression. He can't explain it, no one can - until he went to a doctor and got diagnosed. He started taking supplementary serotonin, and now he's fine. He doesn't take much, but he's back to normal.

But not all cases of depression are medical in nature. Some are, but some aren't. Some people DO need to be more mature, or need to change their life circumstances.

Depression as a MEDICAL condition doesn't have a lifestyle cause. If you feel depressed because you lost your job, or your wife/husband left you, or you're financially stressed, or because someone died, that's not "medical" depression, but merely sadness, which can be cured by either getting over the issue, or by changing your life.

But for those who are actually suffering from depression from a MEDICAL standpoint, all you can do is direct them to a doctor. Not a psychiatrist, psychiatrists are charlatans and are generally full of psycho-babble nonsense (generally that is - there are a few good psychiatrists out there, but they're rare). Direct them to a DOCTOR.
 

SageRuffin

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What does it mean to "be a man"? What does it mean to not "be a man"? What does it mean to be a woman, for that matter? Has common society skewed everyone's viewpoints so dramatically that it's paramount that a person should act a certain way, believe a certain, have a certain mindset?

So my answer would be... at this point in my life, I don't even know what the hell the question means.
 

Winfrid

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

Lots of language, if you dont like it, theme of video applies
 

Lullabye

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SageRuffin said:
What does it mean to "be a man"? What does it mean to not "be a man"? What does it mean to be a woman, for that matter? Has common society skewed everyone's viewpoints so dramatically that it's paramount that a person should act a certain way, believe a certain, have a certain mindset?

So my answer would be... at this point in my life, I don't even know what the hell the question means.
Um, what he said.
I can't tell half the time if people are joking or being serious, which kinda scares me.
All I know, is that when someone says that line, all I can think of is this:
 

jamesworkshop

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Stuntkid said:
jamesworkshop said:
Gralian said:
Ah, gender roles and equality, where double standard is the king with budding compatriots social compliance and confirmation bias.

I've seen and heard a lot of people say fight for a women's rights and show she's not just a subservient housewife, and yet never once have i heard anyone fight for male rights. That we're not all MANLY MASCULINE MEN WHO DO MAN STUFF. You know, not the kind of guy who's automatically good at DIY, doesn't enjoy sport, and yes - is the emotional, sensitive type. You know what's even more bigoted than this? The supposed belief that anyone fitting this description is also a homosexual. I don't know if that's just exclusive to where i was brought up, but that's the assumption - if you don't do MANLY MAN things, you're too soft, too girly and probably gay because you're not enough of a MANLY MAN. How nice.

I really hate the term "be a man", even if it is just a 'figure of speech', because i can tell you now whether it's meant to be taken as a literal term or not it's just as damning as saying 'you're too girly / sensitive / some other variant'. It implies that there's still a gender divide because hey, MANLY MEN control the world right? And that women are somehow lesser because - oh look, they can't "be a man". Even if, again, they could "metaphorically" it's still pretty damn offensive. It'd be better if people said "toughen up" or something similar. Aside from that, it's complete blatant ignorance of the other party's feelings and neglects the fact that, actually, maybe there is something wrong that can't be overcome just by pounding one's chest like a fucking ape.

The fact "be a man" is still such a prevalent phrase in today's society shows gender equality still has a loooong way to go. For both genders. And let's not even talk about the rampant xenophobia and other equality issues That's another topic for another time.
would it help if man was from the latin word manus meaning hand which is being used poetically to repressent having control, the word manufacture does not mean a bloke made it means it was created by humans the man in mankind for instance is also the signifyer of hu"man"ity as something which has a hand.

same with all the other words like handyman a person skilled with hands on work or manpower as in having all hands on deck.

It has zero to do with gender

beside toughen up isn't advice its please shut up about your problems because I don't want to hear them is the actually meaning of those phrases.

Not showing emotions is public is not reguarded as weakness but as social politness to not burden other by bringing down the general atmosphere, offloading your problems onto other that have no wish to be shared with is impolite and selfish
I don't completely agree with that. My fucked up way of thinking derived from the constant physical and verbal abuse of those who think the gender role of a man is one who is hardened inside and out. It's retarded, it's wrong, and it should be exterminated. Though I pretty much think you're right, there are still people who think of it as a gender-role term and use it as such.

Women are naturally more emotional than men so people think of toughened as a trait of the male gender. I've seen countless accounts of women using physical and verbal attack as a way to "shapen up" men or "put them in their place"(just like men do, sometimes) but if you're a man you can't do it to them, and they know this and abuse this athoratative immunity. That also goes with the gender role of women being more fragile physically and emotionally (which obviously isn't true. Iv'e seen alot of hard women.) And at the same time, these same women are active in women's rights and equality. This baffles me.

Is the title like an assessory to flaunt around? I know it's not just women, it's universal; but GODDAMN, get off my porch you fuckin girl scouts; I dont want your damn cookies. Just like everything else, if a certain thing recieves a mass change you can't go back to the way things were. Basically what I'm saying is YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You can't eat both Rock Pops and Diet Coke or else you'll explode, and it'll get everywhere, and someone else would clean it up, and it would smell up the joint.

Most of this gender-role shit comes from the media. This is one of the reason why I don't watch TV anymore. These jack-offs from the ironically named "reality TV" giving us common morons an idea how to act like (even though these jack-offs mostly are us common morons.)Now get me my medicated sandwich.

Sorry, I was trying to find my marbles. But anyway, it's not just reality tv, or tv in general. What's dipicted as "right" is whatever the writer thinks is right. How can you trust them? When you read something you should have a mind of your own and access and juxtapose their information with yours. Or better yet, kill them all; your girlfriend would never know what hit them.

I'm falling off the topic here, let me climb back on. It should not be a gender thing, but it is anyway and there's no way any of us can change it. Unless everyone decides to do it at once which is impossible; seriously, why would you think that? It's stupid. Don't ever think that again. Of a matter of fact Im angry now that you thought of that I'm ending this right now! Pch! Everyone changing at once, that's stupid.

Oh, and mass murder is stupid too. You have a twisted sense of humor, you. I have my eyes on you. I'm not saying where I'm watching you, but I am. And Im not in your closet.
My humor is twisted but personally I never been one for the whole sociology angle of contructed abstract gender roles, too many cultures too many individual variences.
People do what they want when they want and genrally don't care for those in the way.

As for toughness thats really an emotion all to itself fear for instance is what should stop you from falling off the mountain not whats causing you to drag your feet at the base.


Or better yet, kill them all; your girlfriend would never know what hit them
Oh, and mass murder is stupid too. You have a twisted sense of humor, you. I have my eyes on you. I'm not saying where I'm watching you, but I am. And Im not in your closet.

Might wanna keep those crazy eyes focused in a mirror