Bethesda VP: Developing For PC is a "Headache"

m72_ar

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Bethesda did okay in porting in most cases. All Elder's Scrolls and Fallout got released in "playable" state for the most part.

Rage is the first absolute technical clusterfuck they ever experienced
 

EHKOS

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Kopikatsu said:
stiver said:
Does no one realize the Xbox is just as easy to pirate for? The whole "cry for us, PC games might be pirated" comes off as a completely ignorant statement.
Much harder, and it can potentially get your Xbox bricked.

For PC, you type ' torrent' and boom. You either have the game or tons of viruses. Or both. Or really nasty porn. Or all three.
Actually no. They use file hosts and it's really easy to download and burn the disc. (NOT THAT I DO THIS MODS I'M JUST EXPLAINING THE PROCESS!)Yes bricking your xbox can happen but people just keep buying them until a mod chip works. It's just as easy.
 

brainslurper

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I guarantee that used games sales top piracy easily.
Edit: Important thing here is that bethesda just blamed PC drivers for "years of hard work coming off as buggy"
 

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HontooNoNeko said:
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Wait, so they got rid of that 250 mod limit that the old gamebryo engine had?

Awesome.

Also, didn't Skyrim get leaked early for the Xbox? Or was that Modern Warfare? I don't know, so many games get leaked early, I'm not sure which one is out early on which platform.
Xbox 360 and PS3 pirated version of Skyrim were leaked about 6 days ago or so. There has yet to be a pirated version for the PC.

The entire idea that it is harder to pirate on consoles is like comparing lifting a feather and a dime. You have to pirate in different ways but it is relatively easy regardless of the platform.

nope...id pick up both with my opposable thumb and nose-picking finger.
 

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amaranth_dru said:
Waaghpowa said:
Kopikatsu said:
Edit: It really is shit, though. My computer has the power to run literally any game on max settings (Except maybe Crysis), but the video card can't even play most indie games. I would buy a new one, but I have no idea how to install a new card or anything.
Trust me when I say it's a no brainer. You literally plug it into the socket and attach a screw plug it into the power supply and you're done.
And you would be surprised how many people have bricked their systems trying to install new hardware because they didn't know the difference between a PCI-E and PCI slot...
Working for DELL I once had a call where a customer bought new RAM for his laptop, found it was just a bit too big for the slot so he busted out a dremel and shaved it down to fit...
As easy as it is for people who know what their doing, I don't recommend uneducated users upgrading their hardware without a professional present to teach them how to do it correctly. Yes it is like building with LEGOs and yes most hardware only fits in certain slots but ignorance + upgrading = brick.
Aha, I have worse. Some guy tried to put his card in but it wouldn't stay in. It was the wrong size. He decided to WELD it on to his mobo. WTF?

The best part is, he welded it on upside down
 

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Waaghpowa said:
stiver said:
Does no one realize the Xbox is just as easy to pirate for? The whole "cry for us, PC games might be pirated" comes off as a completely ignorant statement.
Aside from Gears of War 3, what other console games were leaked early this year? I swear there were others. I'm not calling you out or anything, I really want to know.
Skyrim, COD, Crysis, gears, deus ex I am fairly sure, and maybe batman
 

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I love the way they are saying that developing for the PC is a headache, using reasons that have exited forever.

Hardware variations? The PC has always had varied hardware in comparison to consoles. This has always been the case. In fact it is better now than it used to be. We now have only 2 CPU makers instead of 4. 2 (3 if you have to count Intel) gaming GPU makers, instead of the 5 or 6 previously, each with their own language to talk to their cards.

The truth is today's PC's have, arguably, a lower level of variation than they have had previously.

These are just lame excuses by companies looking to move out of the PC market. Or excuse games that may lack polish due to most of the resources being used to make the console versions.

I understand why companies are doing this. I just wish they would be straight instead using lame excuses and myths, about the PC, to justify their change in focus....
 

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There is a difference between buggy game and game that won't play cause card is too awful to play game on. An how are pc's getting blame for 'buggy' games and piracy? Sure pc piracy gets all the attention but that doesn't mean consoles don't have it too. I can't remember last console game I was able to even put in that didn't have a obligatory patch. The advantage that consoles offered with put disc in and play is dead with need for patches to fix buggy games.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Makes sense. A console is a console. You know exactly what makes it tick and what it's limitations are.

Then there are people who literally build their PC from scratch. Hell, Steam kept spamming me with pop-ups saying 'WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR VIDEO CARD IS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SHIT. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. STOP PLAYING OUR GAMES.'
I have this same issue. It's rather funny when it happens. "You have a Nvidia GTX460 SE graphics card. It might not be able to run counterstrike. Would you like to continue?" Yeah...
 

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Wait; developing to be compatible with an evolving and varied range of computers is more difficult than developing for a standardised ancient gaming-box? REALLY? THIS IS SO SURPRISING!

You know what, making shoes for people wearing different colours is a headache. It just is. Everyone should wear black so that we can make our shoes more compatible.

Love you Bethesda. 2 hours 26 minutes.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
SidingWithTheEnemy said:
Kopikatsu said:
Hell, Steam kept spamming me with pop-ups saying 'WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR VIDEO CARD IS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SHIT. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. STOP PLAYING OUR GAMES.'
Really??? This would be one of the few things that I would take personally if Steam would say that to me...
No, it didn't really say that last part. It does have me submit the information on my video card every month or so, though. They keep promising to update their database, but they never do! Panda Rage!

Edit: It really is shit, though. My computer has the power to run literally any game on max settings (Except maybe Crysis), but the video card can't even play most indie games. I would buy a new one, but I have no idea how to install a new card or anything.
I have the second best video card made by AMD, and it says that to me. I think it's a matter of our cards being too new. Especially because AMD is a steam partner.
 

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stiver said:
Does no one realize the Xbox is just as easy to pirate for? The whole "cry for us, PC games might be pirated" comes off as a completely ignorant statement.
Much like your own comment? Console piracy requires modifications to allow for homebrew, which instantly makes it fifty times harder than "download torrent client, profit".

OT: I'm not surprised. Thankfully, each component of a PC has two major suppliers (ATI/Nvidia, AMD/Intel, etc). Imagine the headaches that would be caused by four or five popular architectures.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Edit: It really is shit, though. My computer has the power to run literally any game on max settings (Except maybe Crysis), but the video card can't even play most indie games. I would buy a new one, but I have no idea how to install a new card or anything.
It's pretty easy.

Step One: Take your computer into a parts store and ask them to upgrade it within your price point.

Step Two: YAY!

If you insist on going manual (thus avoiding the store fee), you do the following:

Step One: Select a card. Look up the ATI/Nvidia lineups, and select a more recent card. (I don't know about the ATI lineup, but for Nvidia, pick something in the Geforce 400/500 generation, probably a 480 or 570. The 8000/9000s are old, despite being a higher number.)

Step Two: Google the card and check user reviews/price point. There are tons of hardware enthusiast sites that will tell you if the card is worth it.

Step Two Point Five: If you have a non-standard motherboard, check to make sure that it's compatible. If you have normal hardware/don't know, you can skip this. Also, if you buy a beefier card, make sure your power supply is adequate! If your power supply is less than 600W, try sticking to a less intense 540 or equivalent. The wattage should be on the power supply in your case, it's the big brick thing that hosts the cord you plug into the wall.

Step Three: Buy the card.

Step Four: Follow the pictures in the installation manual. Yes, there are pictures. It's almost impossible to mess up a card swap. For clarity, though, you find and remove the old card (assuming you even have one, it sounds like you use a chipset) by pressing the switches on the side (if there) and pulling out firmly. Take that to a computer graveyard later. Now check the motherboard connector on the side of your card to see which slot it will fit in.

http://thingsfinder.com/files/img/1/35/G_83.jpg

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Connect all the relevant power cables, boot up your computer, and install the software that came on a disk with the card. Congrats, you changed your card quicker than it takes to make coffee.

PM me if you have questions or need help.
 

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lacktheknack said:
...What is this language you're speaking and where can I find a translation to English?

No, wait, I'll try to work this out on my own. 'Solder...video card...to motherboard...!'

Well, why didn't you just say so! AFK, going to pick up an arc welder and a video card!

(In all seriousness, I think I'll just pay the store to do it.)
 

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Kopikatsu said:
lacktheknack said:
...What is this language you're speaking and where can I find a translation to English?

No, wait, I'll try to do this on my own. 'Solder...video card...to motherboard...!'

Well, why didn't you just say so! AFK, going to pick up an arc welder and a video card!

(In all seriousness, I think I'll just pay the store to do it.)
Do you know how hard it is for computer science students to speak layman's English? ;_;

I'll get it one day...
 

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Wait, Beth is taking a shot at the PC market? The hoards of fans that are drooling for Skyrim because of its endless mod potential?