There is a difference between buggy game and game that won't play cause card is too awful to play game on. An how are pc's getting blame for 'buggy' games and piracy? Sure pc piracy gets all the attention but that doesn't mean consoles don't have it too. I can't remember last console game I was able to even put in that didn't have a obligatory patch. The advantage that consoles offered with put disc in and play is dead with need for patches to fix buggy games.
Bethesda VP: Developing For PC is a "Headache"
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I have this same issue. It's rather funny when it happens. "You have a Nvidia GTX460 SE graphics card. It might not be able to run counterstrike. Would you like to continue?" Yeah...Kopikatsu said:
Wait; developing to be compatible with an evolving and varied range of computers is more difficult than developing for a standardised ancient gaming-box? REALLY? THIS IS SO SURPRISING!
You know what, making shoes for people wearing different colours is a headache. It just is. Everyone should wear black so that we can make our shoes more compatible.
Love you Bethesda. 2 hours 26 minutes.
You know what, making shoes for people wearing different colours is a headache. It just is. Everyone should wear black so that we can make our shoes more compatible.
Love you Bethesda. 2 hours 26 minutes.
I have the second best video card made by AMD, and it says that to me. I think it's a matter of our cards being too new. Especially because AMD is a steam partner.Kopikatsu said:
Much like your own comment? Console piracy requires modifications to allow for homebrew, which instantly makes it fifty times harder than "download torrent client, profit".stiver said:
OT: I'm not surprised. Thankfully, each component of a PC has two major suppliers (ATI/Nvidia, AMD/Intel, etc). Imagine the headaches that would be caused by four or five popular architectures.
It's pretty easy.Kopikatsu said:
Step One: Take your computer into a parts store and ask them to upgrade it within your price point.
Step Two: YAY!
If you insist on going manual (thus avoiding the store fee), you do the following:
Step One: Select a card. Look up the ATI/Nvidia lineups, and select a more recent card. (I don't know about the ATI lineup, but for Nvidia, pick something in the Geforce 400/500 generation, probably a 480 or 570. The 8000/9000s are old, despite being a higher number.)
Step Two: Google the card and check user reviews/price point. There are tons of hardware enthusiast sites that will tell you if the card is worth it.
Step Two Point Five: If you have a non-standard motherboard, check to make sure that it's compatible. If you have normal hardware/don't know, you can skip this. Also, if you buy a beefier card, make sure your power supply is adequate! If your power supply is less than 600W, try sticking to a less intense 540 or equivalent. The wattage should be on the power supply in your case, it's the big brick thing that hosts the cord you plug into the wall.
Step Three: Buy the card.
Step Four: Follow the pictures in the installation manual. Yes, there are pictures. It's almost impossible to mess up a card swap. For clarity, though, you find and remove the old card (assuming you even have one, it sounds like you use a chipset) by pressing the switches on the side (if there) and pulling out firmly. Take that to a computer graveyard later. Now check the motherboard connector on the side of your card to see which slot it will fit in.
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Connect all the relevant power cables, boot up your computer, and install the software that came on a disk with the card. Congrats, you changed your card quicker than it takes to make coffee.
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...What is this language you're speaking and where can I find a translation to English?lacktheknack said:
No, wait, I'll try to work this out on my own. 'Solder...video card...to motherboard...!'
Well, why didn't you just say so! AFK, going to pick up an arc welder and a video card!
(In all seriousness, I think I'll just pay the store to do it.)
Do you know how hard it is for computer science students to speak layman's English? ;_;Kopikatsu said:
I'll get it one day...
Not to mention that on the programming end the developer only has two API's (Direct X and Open GL) to work with, and can easily find out what cards support what version of each. And with things like the Steam hardware survey it's not hard to figure out what most of the market is capable of running. Figure out what you want to do with the graphics in the game and target the minimum level and above that let's you do that, or decide how much of the market you're willing to cut out and develop with that in mind.ph0b0s123 said:
You could argue that this is still more complicated than developing for consoles, but with consoles you're now dealing with multiple API's if you do a multiplatform title, as well as all of the optimization needed to get games on the 360 and PS3 running at nearly the level that a modern PC can handle. And optimizing for each machine is also going to be completely different.
I agree to some extent that developers exaggerate a bit about how difficult it is to develop for PC. There certainly is more hardware to deal with but the tradeoff is having to know the console hardware inside and out and constantly find ways to squeeze more out of it.
I have seen Xbox pirating first hand. It's annoying because, as people don't want to believe, it's not hard. Also, people who pirate games don't give a damn about a banned Xbox. Only honest people care about that. The fact is,the majority of releases from the last year or so have all leaked early on the consoles. I have seen some PC stuff show up early, but usually there is no crack for that stuff.
Is it rampant on the PC? You bet. Is it rampant on the consoles? Hell yeah it is. As it stands, since no one knows how much any game has actually been pirated, no one can safely say it happens more on the PC than the PS3/360/Wii. It's just an excuse these people like to use. I mean, when was the last time Bethesda released a game that wasn't developed for the console first? If anything, it's hard because they have teams devoted to the consoles, and teams only for porting to the PC. That is harder than programming for the PC from the ground up. As people fail to see, the issue is not different graphic cards or different hardware configuration. That stuff can be problematic, but by and large a company simply has to know how to program for DirectX and OpenGL. And then they use the features they wish to use from those options.
Also, not to harp on Bethesda (even though they are the ones making this stupid statement this time), but I recall the PC version of New Vegas being playable on release, and the consoles being completely broken. Good job working on your primary platform.
Is it rampant on the PC? You bet. Is it rampant on the consoles? Hell yeah it is. As it stands, since no one knows how much any game has actually been pirated, no one can safely say it happens more on the PC than the PS3/360/Wii. It's just an excuse these people like to use. I mean, when was the last time Bethesda released a game that wasn't developed for the console first? If anything, it's hard because they have teams devoted to the consoles, and teams only for porting to the PC. That is harder than programming for the PC from the ground up. As people fail to see, the issue is not different graphic cards or different hardware configuration. That stuff can be problematic, but by and large a company simply has to know how to program for DirectX and OpenGL. And then they use the features they wish to use from those options.
Also, not to harp on Bethesda (even though they are the ones making this stupid statement this time), but I recall the PC version of New Vegas being playable on release, and the consoles being completely broken. Good job working on your primary platform.
Heh... some guys I know have their Multiplayer Xboxs for when they want some online play and their softmodded Xboxs for everything else, so unless there's some game they really want to use for multiplayer they mostly pirate everything. Not even like they paid much for their 'never take online' xboxs either, they just bought banned ones for bugger all (I think the most any of them paid was like AU$80) and had a mate who softmods consoles as a backyard business do the firmware hacks.Baresark said:
The worst part was I accidentally gave them the idea of having a second xbox that was softmodded when I mentioned if I was going to get a console I'd buy a cheap as fuck banned console because I don't give a shit about online gaming. Their fucking eyes lit up. I never take that as a good sign at the pub.
If you read the estimations that include handhelds you see numbers that put the combined PC and home console piracy numbers to shame.
Wait, what was the issue with RAGE? From what I understood it was an entire companies range of graphic cards that had the problem because they had an unreleased, heavily edited, driver for their own testing but didn't test on the "consumer" driver to see what it would look like (And it wasn't an "obscure" collection of hardware that made the problem).
I kinda wish that Bethesda would suck it up and actually make the unofficial patches an official patch for the consoles. To "pay" the guys who made those fixes I'm sure they would be ecstatic if they offered to update the credit reel to include their names in the "Special Thanks" section (And the fact that their work has been officially recognized and permanently put into the game)Waaghpowa said:
I have the same problem, kind of. I haven't bought anything off Steam yet or really even used it, but my laptop has Intel HD graphics card that has like 1.5GB Video RAM and can run most games I have on max settings, but when I go to that website that checks your hardware to see if you can play it they never say I can because they don't recognize my video card. It said I couldn't play Sims 2 on MINIMUM settings because of my video card only, then I look at the details and it meets literally every requirement (video RAM, speed, what-the-hell-ever) for MAX settings.Kopikatsu said:
So far the only game I've tried playing that didn't work on Max was Unreal 3.
Makes absolute sense! I mean, with the consoles' standardized hardware, now Bethesda is able to make bug-free games on all platforms except for the PC!
Oh wait, no they don't, and gamers usually end up using community-made patches because modders and their ilks are demigods who can program for 2 whole different APIs.
Oh wait, no they don't, and gamers usually end up using community-made patches because modders and their ilks are demigods who can program for 2 whole different APIs.
It's easy to pirate on the 360 - Christ I often see 360 versions of games available of torrent sites faster than the PC version! Yep, it can result in your machine getting banned from XBL but it's not ridiculous to think that the sort of gamer who will buy a "life killer" like Skyrim is less likely to be heavily reliant on multiplayer. Out of the core console gamers I know - just under half of them have a massive collection of pirated games running on their consoles.
Before the flaming starts I buy my 360 games as I like MP (my laptop won't play anything more demanding than Dark Crusade - which I own - so it's not an issue).
The varied hardware side of the argument is perfectly valid however.
Before the flaming starts I buy my 360 games as I like MP (my laptop won't play anything more demanding than Dark Crusade - which I own - so it's not an issue).
The varied hardware side of the argument is perfectly valid however.
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Hopefully!Kopikatsu said: