Biden still locks kids in cages

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What are we on, day 40? Biden has calcified many of Trump's changes to immigration as well as not lifted a finger against the terrible conditions imposed on immigrants from the last time he was in the White House.
 

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Um, excuse me with your fake news! Why are you spreading lies and slander about Biden and this policy?

It is now Unaccompanied Minors in Overflow Facilities. Way different than kids in cages.

Please keep your Nothing Burger Fake News Lamestream Media BS out of the forum. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
 

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I mean, he did say nothing would change.

As I understand it, the main difference is that he's not a prolific Twitter user. Though that account pretending to be his dogs just needs to stop. Dying of second-hand embarrassment here.
 
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Because keeping unaccompanied minors in a special, safe facility until their legal guardians can be located is absolutely the same thing as separating families as a cruel deterrent to immigration in general.
 

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Because keeping unaccompanied minors in a special, safe facility until their legal guardians can be located is absolutely the same thing as separating families as a cruel deterrent to immigration in general.
Jacobin mag throwing context and details out the window to bash on a liberal policy and pretend its identical to Republican-brand conservatism? Well I never...
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Have a debate that features this.
 

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Jacobin mag throwing context and details out the window to bash on a liberal policy and pretend its identical to Republican-brand conservatism? Well I never...
Centrists not reading the article and going off half-cocked? Wholda thunk?

The White House press secretary Jennifer Psaki categorically denied the putting “kids in cages” charge. What’s your response specifically to that?

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There’s no reason that the Biden administration needs to detain asylum seekers and migrants. Continuing to detain noncitizens, and especially migrant children, is continuing to put people in cages. The administration announced that it plans to end long-term family detention, which is positive, but they haven’t closed the facilities altogether. Activists and critics are pushing Biden, and rightfully so, to live up to his word and to shift the focus away from enforcement — to not double down on the harmful policies of the past.
 
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Just reunite them with their families, and give them DACCA status. Now granted I believe in open borders so if I were the head of state I would implement much more equalitarian policies But it's Wait in line Biden we are taking about.

While kids are getting shot at by gangs, and cartels, and their friends and or family are dying let's let them wait in line. Great idea.
 

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Because keeping unaccompanied minors in a special, safe facility until their legal guardians can be located is absolutely the same thing as separating families as a cruel deterrent to immigration in general.
Jacobin mag throwing context and details out the window to bash on a liberal policy and pretend its identical to Republican-brand conservatism? Well I never...
If I called literal dog shit a juicy cheesburger, would both of you proceed to eat it? All they have done is change what they call it and both of you are actually falling for it?
 

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Because keeping unaccompanied minors in a special, safe facility until their legal guardians can be located is absolutely the same thing as separating families as a cruel deterrent to immigration in general.
So you'd rather the kids just end up in the same camps as their parents?
 

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So you'd rather the kids just end up in the same camps as their parents?
It is generally better to not split up families if at all possible, yes. As shitty and unacceptable at Obama's and Biden's concentration camps are, they aren't specifically doing that as a measure of "preventative" policy.
 
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Because keeping unaccompanied minors in a special, safe facility until their legal guardians can be located is absolutely the same thing as separating families as a cruel deterrent to immigration in general.
If their legal guardians are located, are they allowed to leave?
 

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It is generally better to not split up families if at all possible, yes. As shitty and unacceptable at Obama's and Biden's concentration camps are, they aren't specifically doing that as a measure of "preventative" policy.
I dunno kids in the same facilities as adults who are total strangers. Seems like it could cause some troubles.
 

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If I called literal dog shit a juicy cheesburger, would both of you proceed to eat it? All they have done is change what they call it and both of you are actually falling for it?
It is this total inability to either consider or understand nuance that makes the current political discourse such a total shit show. If one is unwilling or unable to see that there's a difference in deliberately separating children from their families and keeping children already separated from their families safe while those families are located, then there's not much that can be done. At a superficial glance it is all "secured facilities" but the reason why and the actual conditions inside said facilities matter.
 
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I dunno kids in the same facilities as adults who are total strangers. Seems like it could cause some troubles.
I think the idea is to not seperate the kids from their parents, who could then presumably do what parents should do and watch their kids?

Also, putting the kids in seperate facilities does not inherently keep them safe from total stranger adults.
 

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I think the idea is to not seperate the kids from their parents, who could then presumably do what parents should do and watch their kids?

Also, putting the kids in seperate facilities does not inherently keep them safe from total stranger adults.
As far as I've heard... it somewhat did. Because jailers did little to feed, cloth, wash or change nappies. It was left to the other jailed kids to look after each other
 

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As far as I've heard... it somewhat did. Because jailers did little to feed, cloth, wash or change nappies. It was left to the other jailed kids to look after each other
It also "somewhat" exposed them to being victims of human trafficking and abuse(also from other kids), because of the lack of parental oversight, and guards either not caring, or participating in the abuses themselves.
 

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It also "somewhat" exposed them to being victims of human trafficking and abuse(also from other kids), because of the lack of parental oversight, and guards either not caring, or participating in the abuses themselves.
Well, I never said it was a good thing
 

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It is this total inability to either consider or understand nuance that makes the current political discourse such a total shit show. If one is unwilling or unable to see that there's a difference in deliberately separating children from their families and keeping children already separated from their families safe while those families are located, then there's not much that can be done. At a superficial glance it is all "secured facilities" but the reason why and the actual conditions inside said facilities matter.
Agreed. The optics look bad no matter what, but considering what the Biden administration has to work with it's unavoidable.
 
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