Yeah, I think you're going to be entirely alone in your assessment of this debate. Fine enough job by all involved, points won and lost by both sides.
Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread
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I just listened to 3 focus groups who all pretty much said what I just said. I was actually reiterating some of what they stated there, including the guy who said he was very pro life, and the woman who said that she voted for Gary Johnson last time prior to the debate. After the debate, they both said Biden won the debate and went over these exact issues I listed here.
I like to listen to the focus groups because it gives me alternative views. Not a single person in the focus groups thought Trump won. Some thought it was a toss up, but the vast majority said Biden won for the reasons I just listed above.
Some had additional reasons such as Joe's compassion and him genuinely caring about the people or felt he was uniting the "United States" or were concerned with healthcare but they were all generally pretty vocal on those issues.
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Viewers say Joe Biden won the final presidential debate | YouGov
A snap poll of 491 registered voters who watched Thursday's debate finds that 54% believe that Biden won the event, while 35% believe that Trump won.
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Not shitting his pants?
That seems to be the bar Trump(and his cult) have set for him.
Biden Stutters? Dementia.
Trump wanders all over the map and rambles like a drunken hobo about windmills killing birds? Just Trump being Trump.
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With the polls the way they are and millions already voting/voted, Trump needs a slam dunk(either a masterful pitch to all Americans) or Biden to make a super ultra gaffe(Like admitting to eating White Christian Babies or something heinous like that).
A stalemate doesn't help Trump, it just (maybe) keeps him from slipping in the polls anymore. And that's assuming he doesn't jump on twitter and demand the muppets be executed for treason or something(because Ernie is obviously making fun of him by wearing Orangeface) tomorrow.
What is 'mms'?
You underestimate the demographic appeal of 'no you!' in the idiot states of america.
A type of delicious candy filled with chocolate and a hard shell, each about the size of a dime and has an "m" printed on the shell.
At least I assume so, because otherwise he's talking about Multimedia Message Services or Miracle Mineral Supplements or the MMS class British minesweeper.
I personally hope its the Magnetospheric Multiscale Mission which NASA launched in 2015 and is currently studying magnetic reconnection and other such scientific phenomena.
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"Facts First: All of these claims are wrong. It's not true that Biden wants to ignore "the science," or that he has presented any "plan" for a "blanket shutdown," or that, as Trump seemed to suggest in the tweet, that Biden has declared he wants to shut down the country right now. Rather, Biden said in an interview that he would follow the advice of scientists if they advised him to shut down the country if the combination of the coronavirus and the flu created a severe crisis in 2021. "
"TRUMP: “We’re rounding the turn. We’re rounding the corner. It’s going away.”
THE FACTS: No, the coronavirus isn’t going away. It’s coming back. New cases are on the rise toward their summer peak. Deaths have also been increasing.
TRUMP on the toll of COVID-19 in the U.S.: “So as you know 2.2 million people, modeled out, were expected to die.”
THE FACTS: This was his first line in the debate, and it is false. The U.S. death toll from the pandemic was not expected to be that high.
TRUMP, speaking about children who were separated from parents at the U.S.-Mexico border: “They are so well taken care of; they’re in facilities that are so clean.”
THE FACTS: Not so.
TRUMP, on immigrants who are released from custody in the U.S. to wait out their cases being allowed to stay: “They say they come back, less than 1% of the people come back. We have to send ... Border Patrol out to find them.”
THE FACTS: That’s false. There are far fewer no-shows for immigration hearings among those who are released pending their cases. According to Justice Department Statistics, a majority come back for their hearings.
TRUMP: The Paris accord meant “we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars.... They did a great disservice. They were going to take away our business.”
THE FACTS: The Paris accord, an international agreement that aims to halt the rise in global temperatures, is based on voluntary emission reductions. No nation was forced to do anything.
TRUMP: “Joe got $3.5 (million) from Russia. And it came through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow, and it was the the mayor of Moscow’s wife. ... Your family got $3.5 million. Someday you’re going to have to explain why.”
THE FACTS: There is no evidence of this. Trump is falsely characterizing a recent report by Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, who investigated Biden’s son, Hunter, and his business dealings in Ukraine.
The report did not allege that Joe Biden himself got $3.5 million or that Russia President Vladimir Putin had anything to do with such a payment. Nor does the report allege that Hunter Biden pocketed the money himself. The report said the sum went instead to an investment firm he co-founded. Hunter Biden’s lawyer has said in a statement to reporters that his client had no interest in and was not a founder of the firm.
Trump: His administration has done "everything" Biden suggested to address COVID-19. "He was way behind us."
We rated a similar claim Pants on Fire.
Biden: "We are in a circumstance where the president still has no plan, no comprehensive plan."
This is largely accurate.
Trump: "There was a spike in Florida. That is gone. There was a spike in Texas. That is gone. There was a spike in Arizona. It is gone."
This is inaccurate.
Trump: "When I closed (travel from China) he said I should not have closed. ... He said this is a terrible thing, you are a xenophobe, I think he called me racist. Now he says I should have closed it earlier."
Mostly False
Trump: "They have 180 million people, families under what he wants to do, which will basically be socialized medicine — you won’t even have a choice — they want to terminate 180 million plans."
Pants on Fire.
Trump: Says Biden called Black Americans "superpredators" when he wrote his 1994 crime bill.
No evidence.
Trump: "Not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I've done for the Black community."
Historians dispute this.
Biden: If Trump ends the payroll tax, "Social Security will be bankrupt by 2023, with no way to make up for it."
This needs context.
Biden: "He thinks wind causes cancer, windmills."
This is basically true.
Trump: "They spied on my campaign."
False."
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"TRUMP: “We’re rounding the turn. We’re rounding the corner. It’s going away.”
THE FACTS: No, the coronavirus isn’t going away. It’s coming back. New cases are on the rise toward their summer peak. Deaths have also been increasing.
TRUMP on the toll of COVID-19 in the U.S.: “So as you know 2.2 million people, modeled out, were expected to die.”
THE FACTS: This was his first line in the debate, and it is false. The U.S. death toll from the pandemic was not expected to be that high.
TRUMP, speaking about children who were separated from parents at the U.S.-Mexico border: “They are so well taken care of; they’re in facilities that are so clean.”
THE FACTS: Not so.
TRUMP, on immigrants who are released from custody in the U.S. to wait out their cases being allowed to stay: “They say they come back, less than 1% of the people come back. We have to send ... Border Patrol out to find them.”
THE FACTS: That’s false. There are far fewer no-shows for immigration hearings among those who are released pending their cases. According to Justice Department Statistics, a majority come back for their hearings.
TRUMP: The Paris accord meant “we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars.... They did a great disservice. They were going to take away our business.”
THE FACTS: The Paris accord, an international agreement that aims to halt the rise in global temperatures, is based on voluntary emission reductions. No nation was forced to do anything.
TRUMP: “Joe got $3.5 (million) from Russia. And it came through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow, and it was the the mayor of Moscow’s wife. ... Your family got $3.5 million. Someday you’re going to have to explain why.”
THE FACTS: There is no evidence of this. Trump is falsely characterizing a recent report by Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, who investigated Biden’s son, Hunter, and his business dealings in Ukraine.
The report did not allege that Joe Biden himself got $3.5 million or that Russia President Vladimir Putin had anything to do with such a payment. Nor does the report allege that Hunter Biden pocketed the money himself. The report said the sum went instead to an investment firm he co-founded. Hunter Biden’s lawyer has said in a statement to reporters that his client had no interest in and was not a founder of the firm.
Trump: His administration has done "everything" Biden suggested to address COVID-19. "He was way behind us."
We rated a similar claim Pants on Fire.
Biden: "We are in a circumstance where the president still has no plan, no comprehensive plan."
This is largely accurate.
Trump: "There was a spike in Florida. That is gone. There was a spike in Texas. That is gone. There was a spike in Arizona. It is gone."
This is inaccurate.
Trump: "When I closed (travel from China) he said I should not have closed. ... He said this is a terrible thing, you are a xenophobe, I think he called me racist. Now he says I should have closed it earlier."
Mostly False
Trump: "They have 180 million people, families under what he wants to do, which will basically be socialized medicine — you won’t even have a choice — they want to terminate 180 million plans."
Pants on Fire.
Trump: Says Biden called Black Americans "superpredators" when he wrote his 1994 crime bill.
No evidence.
Trump: "Not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I've done for the Black community."
Historians dispute this.
Biden: If Trump ends the payroll tax, "Social Security will be bankrupt by 2023, with no way to make up for it."
This needs context.
Biden: "He thinks wind causes cancer, windmills."
This is basically true.
Trump: "They spied on my campaign."
False."
AP FACT CHECK: Falsehoods and fumbles in Trump-Biden debate
WASHINGTON (AP) — The facts took a hit right out of the gate Thursday night. President Donald Trump’s first line of the night, about COVID-19 deaths, was false and set the tone as he and Democratic rival Joe Biden unleashed a torrent of claims in their last presidential debate.
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Fact check: Trump falsely describes Biden's comment on coronavirus shutdowns
President Donald Trump keeps wrongly describing what his Democratic opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden, said about the idea of imposing a "shutdown" to combat the coronavirus.
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Fact-checking Donald Trump and Joe Biden's final debate
The final presidential debate between former Vice President Joe Biden and President Donald Trump may have had fewer inte
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Or something very illegal. I'd not be massively surprised if the voter suppression hits exciting new highs.
I only tuned in for about 5-10 minutes, and caught the little undignified back-and-forth with the two candidates accusing eachother of being in the thrall of foreign money.
Biden claimed (unconvincingly) that he's never received a penny from another country. But on the other hand, almost everything Trump said was a lie: the 3.5 million Biden supposedly received from Putin, the ludicrous drivel about "pre-paying" tens of millions in tax, and repeated line about not being able to show his tax returns because of the fucking audit.
Biden claimed (unconvincingly) that he's never received a penny from another country. But on the other hand, almost everything Trump said was a lie: the 3.5 million Biden supposedly received from Putin, the ludicrous drivel about "pre-paying" tens of millions in tax, and repeated line about not being able to show his tax returns because of the fucking audit.
There's only one presidential candidate who has accepted money from foreign sources:
There’s only one presidential candidate who we know accepts money from foreign sources
It’s Donald Trump.
Also the claim about Hunter was false, Hunter never received $3.5 Million, the report alleged it went to a firm Hunter was not a founder of or had interests in. The worst part of Trump's allegations of Biden on Crimea was Trumps actual campaign chair was on Russia's payroll and literally helped get the man elected who GAVE Russia Crimea. It just another one of those cases where Trump is accusing others of what he actually did as usual. He has a long habit of doing that.
How Paul Manafort Helped Elect Russia’s Man in Ukraine
Donald Trump's onetime campaign chairman played an instrumental role in helping a pro-Kremlin party take power
AP Exclusive: Manafort firm received Ukraine ledger payout
WASHINGTON (AP) — Last August, a handwritten ledger surfaced in Ukraine with dollar amounts and dates next to the name of Paul Manafort, who was then Donald Trump's campaign chairman. Ukrainian investigators called it evidence of off-the-books payments from a pro-Russian political party — and...
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Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief (Published 2016)
An examination of the activities of Paul Manafort shows how he benefited from powerful interests that are now under scrutiny.
Putin: Russia helped Yanukovych to flee Ukraine
Vladimir Putin says for the first time that Russia helped Ukraine's ex-President Viktor Yanukovych to flee after he was ousted in February.
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Ukraine’s Ex-President Is Convicted of Treason (Published 2019)
Viktor Yanukovych fled the country after being ousted in 2014. The case focused on his effort to hold onto power by asking Vladimir Putin to intervene militarily on his behalf.
What did ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort really do in Ukraine?
Trump's former campaign chief worked for an anti-NATO party and a politician who fled the country amid charges of corruption and collusion with Russia.
Trump is always specific to say " He didn't collude with Russia" Members of his campaign certainly did.
Apparently she's there to appeal to people who like their candy sexy.
She's supposed to clean what now?!
No, I don't want to know who those people are.
On a similar note, There's the skinny cow mascot but we already know who that's supposed to appeal to.
This tangent just got really wierd, actually.
I swear the Marketing departments for these companies have a lot of explaining to do. I get sex sells but......I'd also mention, Dairy Air:
Seriously, people, this is how we get Minotaurs!
Oh, I suspect they're trying. Though the turnout numbers right now would suggest they're not doing very well.
Well, they are selling products made from milk, milk comes from the cows udders, and the West has a breast fetish, so...
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's unrelated, but seems weird when I stop to think about it.
EDIT: If you google for that logo, seemingly half the results are furry sites. Nothing against furries or anything, but your advertising is probably not working the way you want if that's the case.
I'd like to think so, it's going to be a long few weeks until we know for sure.
That's the charitable way to think of it. The alternative, of course, is "Hey, doesn't that cow look sexy? Look at dat ass!"
Yep.
Remember the stunt Roger Stone pulled though to attempt to declare tampering in an office they never actually broke in to in order to give the election to Bush. You can be sure Trump and the GOP are going to deploy every underhanded dirty trick they can to do the same here. I worry they will be able to do more damage this time if he calls on the Proud Boys and militias and such as well.
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