Bigest gaming sins
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I can't think of many, honestly. I'm not one to hold a grudge and I'm often willing to overlook something if something else makes up for it.
Nah ok, there's one; shit balance in multiplayer games can really break the game.
Nah ok, there's one; shit balance in multiplayer games can really break the game.
Get your facts straight sir; Steam has a nice offline mode in which you can play all your singleplayer games. And you can still install your games from discs, it's not like Steam forces you to buy digital copies.Vault101 said:
There's nothing badass about ignoring people, thats just rudeBurnhardt said:
also games would be alot more dull if you removed all cutscenes, I love cutscenes as long as they arnt stupid...Like don't have a cut-scene thats overly long and detailing somthing you could do in game
I think the whole realism thing depends on the kind of game your making
sorry I was acctually misunderstood hereCowabungaa said:
I ment that while I'm not a huge fan of steam I still accept it because of its good points and because it gives me the option to play offline
I was comparing it to the completley stupid model that ubisoft used (as in Assins creed 2 there is no offline mode) thats what I was Critizing not steam per'se
though somone did make the comment that since stuff like steam is now accepted in the future we'll all just get used to stuff like ubisoft's way
1) intentionally leaving a game open for a sequal. I hate having to spent like 10 or 12 hours on a game and getting no ending or no closure to this story, this pretty much makes the game pointless in my view.
2) on a similar note. Cheap ways of Stretching a game out. Like when developers make to player re-vist the same levels again, with different enemies. or pointless collecting of certain items before new areas are unlocked.
3) for me games should either be realistic or fun. Games that are a bit of both dont do it for me. The usialy end up being neither fun or realistic.
2) on a similar note. Cheap ways of Stretching a game out. Like when developers make to player re-vist the same levels again, with different enemies. or pointless collecting of certain items before new areas are unlocked.
3) for me games should either be realistic or fun. Games that are a bit of both dont do it for me. The usialy end up being neither fun or realistic.
OP I agree with you on point 3 100%. I've been waiting to get the three last DLC for borderlands lately and in some places it's only £2 more expensive to buy the game of the year edition. Hell, if it's game of the year it only got that way from me buying your fucking game at release, the least you could do is sell the DLC at an acceptable price and not release it all with the original game for the exact same price I paid for the original. Regardless how good it is, it isn't worth an entire game. Same goes for Fallout 3, I missed the last DLC. Fortunately I found point lookout and broken steel preowned for £8... but New Vegas was fucking £15 on sale. I can't deal with the way gaming companies refuses to admit their games lose value so quickly.
I'm not a marketing expert but it makes you wonder what the hell they were thinking in regards to Banjo kazooie, ok so you want to be innovative but this didn't seem the place to do itVeldie said:
first of all if you change the core gameplay the platfroming then the in-built fanbase (best chance of people buying it) will go in a rage foaming at the mouth you'll lose sales there no matter how good your vehchles are
and then you have everyone else who is more than likley going to be turned off by the games "kiddy" image
I think that they should have kept the platforming gameplay and inovated and expaned on that, perhaps make the story seem epic and a little darker (makes me think of epic mickey) then mabye if the game was acctually good others might get interested in the franchise
Vault101 said:
Spongebob is the 8th deadly sin, Followed by Flapjack, Adventure time, and Dancing/Skating with the stars.
the greatest of all gaming sins is fucking up difficulty! everything is TOO EASY now a days.remember when things were hard? remember when you got stuck on that one boss that kept kicking your ass for days but you kept at it till you beat him? didnt that give you such a feeling of accomplishment? how about when you had a LIFE BAR and you could only heal threw medkits or something of the sort,and they werent being given out like candy? or drinking that buff potion that didnt give you god-like status for an entirety of a boss fight? or the very worst SIMULATED DIFFICULTY!!!! as in cheap deaths that you would only figure out after you die so you know ahead of time,or lazy programmers not actually improving the AI of the enemy when you put it on hard instead they just do more dmg but are still complete idiots!
yes,this is the greatest sin of all and every single developer that has done this and not atoned for developing a better game shall feel the wrath of the almighty RNG and he shall the them the most random of all punishments!
yes,this is the greatest sin of all and every single developer that has done this and not atoned for developing a better game shall feel the wrath of the almighty RNG and he shall the them the most random of all punishments!
That whole "Kiddy" Image had ppl insult me and the game while i was in school its like try playing the game it isnt as child looking as you may thinkVault101 said:
The gameplay was to brillent and is still one of my fav plattformers ever made when I got Nuts and bolts i got so decipointed by the lack of anything that made the game what it was sure it retained alot of its humer the series is known for but without the amazing gameplay to back it up it just lost it all I couldnt even finish it it lost all intrist to me.
About once every other month I will load up Banjo-kazooie or Tooie and play a solid day of it I never get bored with it.
Some of these may have been mentioned, but...
1. Allowing the player the ability to break in-game laws, but instantly alerting local authority (not literally, but it certainly fucking felt like it) just about every time they do; that is to say, psychic guards. (see Oblivion)
2. Pulling a bunch of random bullshit for the player to deal with and assuming they'll go along with it without question, as seen
It's probably just as bad when people actually go along with it. "this makes no sense, but I'm too lazy and/or apathetic to ask questions, so fuck it, onto the crazy train we go!" Do preposterous, unexplained impediments not bother anyone else?
3. Escort missions. I can't remember ever having fun with these outside of Dead Rising, where one could sometimes just carry someone to safety rather than waiting on their stupid asses. The Damned have a harder time grabbing Frank and Chuck when they're carrying a person, so I could run through the zombies shouting "INVINCIBLE!!"
4. Assuming having multiplayer means you don't have to do much for the singleplayer game, or have one at all. (Shadowrun, I think)
5. Stalling for time when developing a story. You know, going on and on about "something" but never giving much of a clue as to what the fuck's going on, practically attaching a big neon sign to the credits saying "Maybe we'll tell you next game." The Metal Gear series did this, I think, but redeemed itself in the end by explaing everything it could about damn near everything not covered in previous games. It wrapped up well, assuming you were one of apparenly few able to pay attention through the (no joke) roughly 8 hours of cutscene.
6. Having 8 hours of cutscene in your game. I was fine with it in MGS4, but to most this is apparently like root canal.
1. Allowing the player the ability to break in-game laws, but instantly alerting local authority (not literally, but it certainly fucking felt like it) just about every time they do; that is to say, psychic guards. (see Oblivion)
2. Pulling a bunch of random bullshit for the player to deal with and assuming they'll go along with it without question, as seen
in Uncharted 2 where the "yetis" turn out to be savages on magic roids in halloween costumes that make kevlar look like tissue paper, a more ridiculous version of Scooby Doo's thing. Turns out the blue freaks are roughly as resilient without the suits and are killed in one hit by crossbows, not a billion bullets.
Then there's AC: brotherhood and the acrobatic-fetishist "gods," demanding that you quite literally jump through hoops to open a fucking door or two at the end, then hop around on fancy space dominoes to reach the apple. I'm aware deities in games have always been against practicality, but where the fuck are their priorities, here? "Save the earth, but first jump around like a tard because we tell you to." The climbing and shit was just a way to get around in the first game, but I'm starting to worry they'll base the series around it. On that note, what's with all the fucking "instant-fail-if-detected" stealth missions in what I'm fairly certain is not a stealth game? (yeah, yeah, "assassins," not butchers, I guess.)
Finally, in fallout 3 some of the DLC just exists to insult your intelligence, mostly point lookout. At one point psychotic tribesmen burst through doors, simple, pre-war, wooden doors, by breaking them down with force. The player cannot do this. Ever. You can fire a dozen mini nukes, but if it isn't scripted, doors might as well be made of pure Beskar. (obscure reference, but it's the only thing that seems to fit) "Oh, but if you could break down doors and smash open boxes, lockpicking would be useless!" Yes, that's because it is useless unless you wanted to be stealthy, but if you don't, why the fuck should you play nice with the old, decrepit locks of the world? You can break locks (which amounts to permanently locking them) by forcing them, but even if the door has holes in it, you have to pretend it's inpenetrable, find a key, hack a terminal, (and no, the Han Solo method doesn't open those, either) or pick the lock like a sucker. In The Pitt, if you try to charge in guns blazing, (which is where the fucking thing always ends anyway) you will be held in place by an invisible, unmentioned forcefeild and told to believe that you wanted to stand there like a twat while raiders with iron pipes, pitiful, tier-1 weapons, beat you unconcious and take all your stuff. It's that or submit to slavery and have them take all your stuff. I've taken on a room of deathclaws, power-armored soldiers with lasers, and super mutant behemoths, but a few fucking raiders (upon whom I've commited genocide) are above my combat ability until it tells me otherwise? This, in tabletop gaming, is called railroading the player.
Then there's AC: brotherhood and the acrobatic-fetishist "gods," demanding that you quite literally jump through hoops to open a fucking door or two at the end, then hop around on fancy space dominoes to reach the apple. I'm aware deities in games have always been against practicality, but where the fuck are their priorities, here? "Save the earth, but first jump around like a tard because we tell you to." The climbing and shit was just a way to get around in the first game, but I'm starting to worry they'll base the series around it. On that note, what's with all the fucking "instant-fail-if-detected" stealth missions in what I'm fairly certain is not a stealth game? (yeah, yeah, "assassins," not butchers, I guess.)
Finally, in fallout 3 some of the DLC just exists to insult your intelligence, mostly point lookout. At one point psychotic tribesmen burst through doors, simple, pre-war, wooden doors, by breaking them down with force. The player cannot do this. Ever. You can fire a dozen mini nukes, but if it isn't scripted, doors might as well be made of pure Beskar. (obscure reference, but it's the only thing that seems to fit) "Oh, but if you could break down doors and smash open boxes, lockpicking would be useless!" Yes, that's because it is useless unless you wanted to be stealthy, but if you don't, why the fuck should you play nice with the old, decrepit locks of the world? You can break locks (which amounts to permanently locking them) by forcing them, but even if the door has holes in it, you have to pretend it's inpenetrable, find a key, hack a terminal, (and no, the Han Solo method doesn't open those, either) or pick the lock like a sucker. In The Pitt, if you try to charge in guns blazing, (which is where the fucking thing always ends anyway) you will be held in place by an invisible, unmentioned forcefeild and told to believe that you wanted to stand there like a twat while raiders with iron pipes, pitiful, tier-1 weapons, beat you unconcious and take all your stuff. It's that or submit to slavery and have them take all your stuff. I've taken on a room of deathclaws, power-armored soldiers with lasers, and super mutant behemoths, but a few fucking raiders (upon whom I've commited genocide) are above my combat ability until it tells me otherwise? This, in tabletop gaming, is called railroading the player.
It's probably just as bad when people actually go along with it. "this makes no sense, but I'm too lazy and/or apathetic to ask questions, so fuck it, onto the crazy train we go!" Do preposterous, unexplained impediments not bother anyone else?
3. Escort missions. I can't remember ever having fun with these outside of Dead Rising, where one could sometimes just carry someone to safety rather than waiting on their stupid asses. The Damned have a harder time grabbing Frank and Chuck when they're carrying a person, so I could run through the zombies shouting "INVINCIBLE!!"
4. Assuming having multiplayer means you don't have to do much for the singleplayer game, or have one at all. (Shadowrun, I think)
5. Stalling for time when developing a story. You know, going on and on about "something" but never giving much of a clue as to what the fuck's going on, practically attaching a big neon sign to the credits saying "Maybe we'll tell you next game." The Metal Gear series did this, I think, but redeemed itself in the end by explaing everything it could about damn near everything not covered in previous games. It wrapped up well, assuming you were one of apparenly few able to pay attention through the (no joke) roughly 8 hours of cutscene.
6. Having 8 hours of cutscene in your game. I was fine with it in MGS4, but to most this is apparently like root canal.
Not too sure about your last point, there's been quite a backlash against Ubisoft's DRM system. Spore got that as well.Vault101 said:
The only reason that Steam is accepted is because it doesn't really treat the customer as a criminal. There's nothing wrong with protecting your products against copying, it's just that lots of games do that in an asinine way. Steam circumvents most, if not all, major problems that make other DRM systems so awful.
As a Sniper I beg to differ. Wrangling Engineers are pretty much my favourite targets and even easier than Heavies. All it takes is an approach from the right angle (if they're clever enough to hide behind the shield), and there's pretty much always one available.ciortas1 said:
By the way, the sentry has another weakness, well technical weakness; it locks on a target until it's dead. Doesn't sound all that bad but it does it with ubered targets as well. Just let the Medic go in first and the Heavy/Soldier/Demoman/Pyro can destroy the sentry relatively easily.
I know the series isn't "kiddy" in a stupid way. Its got great off beat humour but to the average gamer who isnt a fan of the series it looks kiddy and thats off putting (if I knew nothing about the series and saw it on a shelf I wouldn't take a second glance sad but true)Veldie said:
unfortunatly also the fact that it got released on xbox 360 as opased to wii hurt it as well because of this its a shame back in the day Rare used ot be great developers of both mature and light hearted games
games being too short
short unskippable cutscenes before a tough fight or sequence that you have to watch EVERY time you die (I'm looking at you Force Unleashed)
the ability to jump in combat, now I'm not against the jump function being in FPS's I know it can be useful, but playing some games of MW2 or Reach online its like your enemies are playing Mario, and it's fucking annoying.
short unskippable cutscenes before a tough fight or sequence that you have to watch EVERY time you die (I'm looking at you Force Unleashed)
the ability to jump in combat, now I'm not against the jump function being in FPS's I know it can be useful, but playing some games of MW2 or Reach online its like your enemies are playing Mario, and it's fucking annoying.
I know what you mean I own basickly every rare game from N64 and older they where amazing games and I love Jet Force Gemini with a bloody pasion it was so diffrent and awsome i mean rewards for shooting and collecting heads thats win lolVault101 said:
Oh and after Perfect Dark no FPS has come close to being as good the game had everything to love in a FPS and one mode in perticuler i loved so much was Counter Co-op and doing first stage i think i beat that stage over 300 times but sadly the good ol days of rare are gone I blame Microsoft and will continue to do so until rare is back to how it was and they get rid of that stupid new logo and get there old one back I mean sports games COME ON