BioShock 2 Dev Calls Console Wars "Silly"
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To be fair, what game has had to be down-graded so it can be put on the 360 instead of only the PS3.
Well of course the console wars are silly. I bash consoles for entirely different reasons - their ubiquity quite often leads to developers shifting most/all of their respective development focus onto the console version of any given multi-platform title, and then the PC version ends up being a mediocre port. It's even worse when established franchises that were wonderful on the PC go multi-platform and suffer for it across the board, not that most console players notice because they never played the original games.
So what I really don't like are lazy developers, and the annoying fanboys who think that our well reasoned complaints about those developers shoehorning in design elements that do not make any sense on the PC are just "PC elitists being whiny bitches" [small](if you have ever said this online, be very thankful it is impossible to be punched in the teeth via the internet).[/small]
So what I really don't like are lazy developers, and the annoying fanboys who think that our well reasoned complaints about those developers shoehorning in design elements that do not make any sense on the PC are just "PC elitists being whiny bitches" [small](if you have ever said this online, be very thankful it is impossible to be punched in the teeth via the internet).[/small]
Indeed they are silly. Silly PS3 owners hating on the vastly superior xbox! Jokes!
The only reason I don't have a PS3 is because I also have no money... which is a shame, because I hear great things about Uncharted 2, the God of War series, and Demon's souls...
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The only reason I don't have a PS3 is because I also have no money... which is a shame, because I hear great things about Uncharted 2, the God of War series, and Demon's souls...
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Can you not do that on PC games? xBox live and PSN both have options for it for those who talk incoherently into microphonesGildan Bladeborn said:
I'll just sit back here on my happy PC hill and watch the console flame war 
In reality, I don't get why everyone is so up in arms about these things. I own all 3 consoles and a gaming PC because I LOVE GAMES. I don't care what they're on - a game should be judged by its merits as a game and nothing else. And with both consoles essentially costing as much as 4 games now (as games are $70 here in Canada, after tax you're at $80 = $320) there's not much reason you can't afford to buy the other one, is there?
I know what you mean though - but we always get flamed and seen as unreasonable. People don't seem to realize things we complain about shouldn't have ever been an issue in the first place.
For instance, if the devs did a quick port and the mouse still has a smoothing algorithm applied to it that's not toggleable... why do that? It just fucks with the controls and makes the game feel wrong. We aren't saying the PC version has to be day and night different and superior, we just want attention to basic things like the CONTROLS OF THE DAMN GAME.
I also hate when we get a 360 port and it still has the fucking 360 buttons for quick time events and stuff. Is that really necessary? Couldn't you just take them out? It's things like that which I hate.
In reality, I don't get why everyone is so up in arms about these things. I own all 3 consoles and a gaming PC because I LOVE GAMES. I don't care what they're on - a game should be judged by its merits as a game and nothing else. And with both consoles essentially costing as much as 4 games now (as games are $70 here in Canada, after tax you're at $80 = $320) there's not much reason you can't afford to buy the other one, is there?
I guess you played the AvP demo as well?Gildan Bladeborn said:
I know what you mean though - but we always get flamed and seen as unreasonable. People don't seem to realize things we complain about shouldn't have ever been an issue in the first place.
For instance, if the devs did a quick port and the mouse still has a smoothing algorithm applied to it that's not toggleable... why do that? It just fucks with the controls and makes the game feel wrong. We aren't saying the PC version has to be day and night different and superior, we just want attention to basic things like the CONTROLS OF THE DAMN GAME.
I also hate when we get a 360 port and it still has the fucking 360 buttons for quick time events and stuff. Is that really necessary? Couldn't you just take them out? It's things like that which I hate.
The one thing that embarrasses me most about gamer culture is console fanboys. People who insult games they haven't played and put frankly pathetic amounts of effort into explaining why their opinion is the correct one. The fact that people will literally blind themselves from opinions different from their own to protect their purchase just says something really petty about the human mind.
It's fine if you like your 360 and it's fine if you think all PS3s are garbage, and if you absolutely need to go on the internet and tell the world about this, hey, it's your life, go ahead. But don't trick yourself into thinking that you're an expert on the gaming industry, don't ignore blatant truths and faults with your own system and its games, and don't assume your opinion on a very subjective matter is the be-all-end-all conclusion that people are idiots for not recognizing.
It's a fucking gaming console. Come on. I feel pathetic for taking the six minutes of my life to even make this post; I can't imagine being the kind of person who spends hour talking about this trash.
It's fine if you like your 360 and it's fine if you think all PS3s are garbage, and if you absolutely need to go on the internet and tell the world about this, hey, it's your life, go ahead. But don't trick yourself into thinking that you're an expert on the gaming industry, don't ignore blatant truths and faults with your own system and its games, and don't assume your opinion on a very subjective matter is the be-all-end-all conclusion that people are idiots for not recognizing.
It's a fucking gaming console. Come on. I feel pathetic for taking the six minutes of my life to even make this post; I can't imagine being the kind of person who spends hour talking about this trash.
I feel for you Marin. I hate fanboys, it's the same thing with apple iPod, iPad, iPhones, etc etc, it's all rubbish. I don't have an iPod or a Zune. I dislike it that they and SOny and Microsoft (again) make us buy into shizz with DLC. frick DLC. and frick paying for that shizz.
Hey, if those guys don't like 'platform partisanship' maybe they could put their money where their mouths are by being consistent about their release dates across different platforms instead of selling out for a timed exclusive. Of course, it's a little silly not to take a pile of free money when someone waves it under your nose if nobody suffers for it in the long term, right?John Funk said:
Silly too is ignoring the fact that Sony and Microsoft are competing like hell with their game consoles... it's serious business for those guys, literally, they're in the business of waging war over customers via video game consoles. Of course it's going to rub off on their most invested consumers. Also the "state of the art" in tying players down to one device or the other keeps advancing, like now they have exclusive online identities with a score that you boost by playing games for that platform. Take a break from one machine, now everyone else has higher scores. It's cheesy and dumb, I could even use the word "silly" again. On the other hand we're talking about people whose hobby (as SILLY as this sounds) is racking up scores or completing challenges in videogames... you could call hax on something like dangling something like a "HOW XBOX ARE YOU" score in front of a gamer's face.
Likewise, I tend to ignore the ports of console games as they mostly suck, especially if they do not provide a demo to try it out, and happen to somehow slip through the PC game reviewers the month it is released (Devil May Cry 4, and Force Unleashed the Jedi Knight 2 wannabe).AC10 said:I'll just sit back here on my happy PC hill and watch the console flame war
I also own several consoles and a DS, but I have and always will be a PC gamer.
Allegedly, FF13 is a lot smaller and more linear because it went to the 360. They?re also saying that gta4 was supposed to have a larger map before it was made multi and that the next one will have a mandatory install for the 360 (requiring an HDD) so they can make the environment bigger. It?s all just space issues that they will probably fix in the future with multi-discs and mandatory installs.Spirultima said:
I?m pretty tolerant of fanboy gamers: these machines are expensive and most of them just want to make themselves feel that they made the right choice. They could be a bit more grownup about it but lets face it: the wii (the children?s toy), ps3(machine with great features that are never used), and 360 (spontaneous combustion) all leave a lot to be desired and a good game PC costs as much as all three of those put together. I can't blame anyone for making fun of these overpriced toys. Except the devs.
What I?m not tolerant of are developers who are fanboys and feel the need to make fun of consoles they don?t want to learn to develop for. That?s just thinly veiled laziness or maybe stupidity but I?m willing to give devs like valve the benefit of the doubt.
Yep! I figure if you don't play them all then you can't complain about it. My list of currently hooked up gaming platforms goes as follows:Outamyhead said:Likewise, I tend to ignore the ports of console games as they mostly suck, especially if they do not provide a demo to try it out, and happen to somehow slip through the PC game reviewers the month it is released (Devil May Cry 4, and Force Unleashed the Jedi Knight 2 wannabe).AC10 said:I'll just sit back here on my happy PC hill and watch the console flame war
I also own several consoles and a DS, but I have and always will be a PC gamer.
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I just hate when PC gaming gets slammed by people who don't game on the PC. It's like saying "I hate raspberries" even though you've never eaten one. One thing I wish console gamers, in general at least, would do is start demanding some higher standards - especially in the realm of multiplayer. Having a "play the game!!!!" button, is just bloody awful. Starcraft, 12 years old now, with the original Battle.net had more configuration options than that. It's just frustrating trying to play a console game online and having no control at all over the settings.
I whole-heartedly agree with Marin.
Our consoles are merely platforms. They allow us to play the games we love. Yes, platforms are different, but as long as they enable playing the same game, it shouldn't matter which one you choose.
The fact that we have these competing, non-compatible platforms is a problem for us as gamers. Developers have to choose which platform to develop for, leaving many of us out in the cold, or spend that much more money to develop for all multiple platforms. We find ourselves unable to purchase some games unless we buy multiple platforms, whose initial cost is considerable. Inevitably, games end up performing better on some platforms than others, leaving us disappointed when we've chosen the worse platform. All in all, multiple platforms increase the costs to developers and gamers.
Competition is good, but platforms, because they aren't interchangeable, segment the market. With a car, you can choose any car you want and still be able to drive on the same roads and park in the same spots, but with computing platforms, your choice of platform limits what hardware and software you can use and who you will be able to use it with. It's no different than VHS vs. Betamax or HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. As long as their are two competing formats, everybody loses -- only when we standardize do we get to reap the benefits of interoperability and the cost savings of only doing something once.
So stop arguing that your XBOX is better than your PS3, or that your Mac is better than your PC, and instead argue that you should be able to just buy a damn console and a damn game and play them. We don't want exclusives; we want to make purchases without fear of being on the losing side of a popularity contest. We want to make games cheaper for all of us, not choose who will live and die in the entertainment industry.
Our consoles are merely platforms. They allow us to play the games we love. Yes, platforms are different, but as long as they enable playing the same game, it shouldn't matter which one you choose.
The fact that we have these competing, non-compatible platforms is a problem for us as gamers. Developers have to choose which platform to develop for, leaving many of us out in the cold, or spend that much more money to develop for all multiple platforms. We find ourselves unable to purchase some games unless we buy multiple platforms, whose initial cost is considerable. Inevitably, games end up performing better on some platforms than others, leaving us disappointed when we've chosen the worse platform. All in all, multiple platforms increase the costs to developers and gamers.
Competition is good, but platforms, because they aren't interchangeable, segment the market. With a car, you can choose any car you want and still be able to drive on the same roads and park in the same spots, but with computing platforms, your choice of platform limits what hardware and software you can use and who you will be able to use it with. It's no different than VHS vs. Betamax or HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray. As long as their are two competing formats, everybody loses -- only when we standardize do we get to reap the benefits of interoperability and the cost savings of only doing something once.
So stop arguing that your XBOX is better than your PS3, or that your Mac is better than your PC, and instead argue that you should be able to just buy a damn console and a damn game and play them. We don't want exclusives; we want to make purchases without fear of being on the losing side of a popularity contest. We want to make games cheaper for all of us, not choose who will live and die in the entertainment industry.
I agree with you... mostly. I also wish I had more configurability. However, many people want that "play the game" button -- they don't want to be bothered with ping times and countries. Some people really do just want to play the game.AC10 said:
Rather than making it an all-or-nothing situation, we should have both options. Most multiplayer PC games from the 90's had a "quick play" button in addition to the "join a server" option, which meant the player could choose whether they want configurability or instant playability. It might mean a bit more trouble for the developers, but as a programmer, I can say that it's very little work to add one when you have the other.
It's almost the same problem as the console wars: rather than having to choose between one or the other, why can't we just have them all?
If they're too far gone, yes. But I once considered myself a Nintendo fanboy, whilst being very anti-Sony, for no reason. Then i grew up a little, and now I realise even Nintendo (especially Nintendo) has its flaws.Lordmarkus said:
I'm still indifferent to Sony though, so it's possible I'm not completely 'cured'.
